MartinM. Yes, I only wanted hydrocort, but hopefully I’ve got more than I bargained for. Feeling ‘really good’ is something I’m extremely excited about. I reckon HGH will do this in itself. Anyway, whilst I’m a walking pharmacy, there could be a possibility that I’m very healthy on the above. Healthier than most other chaps my age.
JN
Another update.
Been on T4 50mcg per day for 1 week now, in addition to T3 (Now 100mcg per day). Just to report my erections are noticeably better, and libido is better. I feel better.
Been taking HGH for 2 days now and will continue to do so at 1 unit per day.
Yet again, I noticed a MASSIVE improvement when I injected 1000mg Vitamin B12 as hydroxycobalamin. Vitamin B12 is simply wonderful and improves mental clarity, energy levels and mood to an awesome degree!! I have taken an IM injection every week, although I believe some people inject every other day. I may increase to twice weekly. This is a real find, and I have told myself to take a shot in the future, before an exam or an interview! I was chatting to the pharmacist and he said when Duran Duran went on tour Australia, the band members came in to his shop to stock up on Vit B12 injections to help with their performance at gigs.
I am also taking Folinic acid 800mcg per day.
I will acquire the following meds next Wednesday:
-Melatonin
-Oxytocin
-Hydrocortisone
-Aldosterone
-A troche containing progesterone, pregnenolone and DHEA
I will probably start by taking hydrocortisone to judge progress and introduce others one by one.
I’m so damn excited about everything right now. Life is great. Got an amazing girlfriend, a cool job, and am going for a big old surf tomorrow for 2 days down the coast.
Bring it on!
JN
You will be a walking pharamacy.
Nice life.
I’m also concerned about you JN. Do you have a rationale for each of these drugs? Why are you on HGH again, when you concluded last time that it didn’t work? Bear in mind that substances may make you ‘feel good’ but have nothing to do with our illness.
Perhaps you should wind back to just testosterone and thyroid supplementation, and take some time to plan out your next move. We are all frustrated and it’s easy to act emotionally, but we have to be careful not to damage ourselves further.
HGH is clinically indicated by A5M (Australian College for Anti Aging Medicine) on the basis of suboptimal IGF values. As stated above, my IGF-1 is in the lower third of normal range. Also, HGH worked very well on me (improved ALL parameters; sexual, physical and otherwise). I also have a normal IGF BP3 level, which furthermore indicates the use of HGH.
My anti-aging doc believes that hydrocortisone is required to offset the suppression of cortisol production by T3. My blood tests indicate there has been a dramatic suppression of cortisol since starting T3.
I am working on the above for now, although I believe there may be a possibility of coming off HGH/reducing the dose (and hence cost). This is because I still feel I have inadequate activity of 3 HSD enzyme (which is thyroid and cortisol regulated) which WILL lead to low IGF values. My point being that in the pathway of production of IGF, I am deficient in 3 HSD activity, not necessarily endogenous HGH production.
I am solely looking to replace all hormones to optimal physiological levels. I have no desire to get ‘supraphysiological’ with any hormone. You are taking supraphysiological T doses, whereas I am currently taking supraphysiological T3 (will hopefully reduce need for this when I start hydrocortisone).
JN
JN,
I personally can’t blame you for wanting to do all of the things your doing. I know you suffered longer than I did and a week in the PFS hell feels like a year.
Your doctor is on the right path with Cortisol. Taking the thyroid med befor resolving any adrenal/Cortisol issues can create this problem. My doctor informed me of the same.
I have been on Hydrocortisone for 1.5 weeks now and it’s a tremendous help with energy for me. I feel as though I have energy throughout the day. I used to struggle in the morning and mid afternoon and then be ok at night.
I am ramping up the dosage as reocommended on stopthethryroidmadness. My plan is to add in the thryoid meds once I have begun healing the adrenals. Then at some point ween off of both. The thyroid is not the issue with weening, it’s the cortisone that is more difficult to ween off of.
My hope is that once we resolve these adrenal & thyroid issues some of our sex hormones kick back in again. Both of these hormones have involvement with the sex hormones. I’ll be posting an update on my thread, if your interested. good luck
Hey Boston,
Just started hydrocort today. I believe STTM uses the following doses of hydrocortisone;
20mg morning
10mg lunchtime
5mg afternoon/eve
1mg night
Do you agree?
JN
JN,
This is what was recommended to me from one of the moderators at, realthyroidhelp.com
They pulled it from STTM
It’s more of a ramp up.
I think the way your doing might be a good way to go in spite of what I was recommended. If you look at this note above it essentially states some doctors start right on the 20-30mg right away.
Your body can take up to 6 weeks to adjust to the HD.
One important point I have found from the great people on the thyroid site is. Check your temp over the course of taking the HD. When it gets back to normal level, then work in the thyroid meds.
From what I learned from reading about the HD treatment is won’t be perfect right away. You may feel funny and it can cause drowsiness as your body adjusts to the HD. Give it some time to help heal your adrenals, so you can work in the T3/T4.
good luck
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Ok, I will be careful. I’m progressively educating myself on the use of hydrocortisone use in the short and long term. My saliva cortisol test was low; value was 13 on a range of 6 to 42.
It looks like I can take massive doses of T3 and still suffer low body temps and hypothyroid symptoms. The mass of evidence points towards adrenal suppression as the causative factor, and I am using various education sources and the advice of my anti-aging doc who has many years of experience with hydrocortisone, to guide my treatment.
But yes, I am fully aware of the long term risks of OVER replacement of corticosteroids. I see them day in, day out, at work.
I am also in possession of the following:
Aldosterone
Oxytocin
Troche containing pregnenelone/progesterone/DHEA
Melatonin
but do not want to take these at the moment as I believe this will confuse the situation. One at a time. I am hopeful of a full recovery, and I’m feeling good.
Solonjk, I’m taking 50mcg T4 in the morning in addition to 100mcg T3. (too much T3, I agree).
I don’t know how long I need to take hydrocortisone for. I simply don’t know.
If anyone can give me a case study or report of someone who has suffered longterm side effects from low dose (max of say, 40mg per day) of hydrocortisone, I would be very interested, and so would other chaps here. I will use a 24 hour urine test of c/steroid metabolites to ensure I’m not over replacing.
JN
Jn
According to a thread on this forum oxytocin is “useless” unless injected, not sure if you know this, perhaps you are injecting?
Thyroid and adrenals are two causes of low body temp. there are others, many others, dont over do the meds because of body temp. not changing.
Any way im rooting for you, good luck.
Cheers dude,
Hopefully other people can benefit from my journey. I have oxytocin troches (meaning sublingual administration, which avoids 1st pass metabolism via liver) so I guess this is effective. My doc told me it improves erections and makes you feel good, although can cause premature ejaculation.
JN
Oxytocin is present in your prostate and is reponsible for spontaneous erections…I think that is why your doctor prescribed it.
annon1, I did not know about oxytocin’s connection through the prostate for erections, interesting.
JN, melatonin reduces FSH, I avoid it unless I can not get to sleep, even then I only take 0.5 mg or so. It is not good to take regularly due to fears of reducing your bodies’ endogenous secretions. To secrete it you need Vitamin D which seems problematic for us.
Looks like sublingual oxytocin, to increase orgasm intensity, is discussed at places like A4M, amongst audiences which include Shippen, Hertoghe, Jonathan Wright and others.
instatapes.com/a4mlibraryflyer.pdf
This link is provided for information purposes only and is not an endorsement of any Sahelian product
Oxytocin is also made into nasal sprays for fibromyalgia. Shippen has tried it in pill and sublingual forms:
rxfixer.com/RXFIXER/2010%20newsletter/June%20Newsletter.pdf
Oxytocin is known to increase 5 alpha reductase type 2. (will add link later).
kazman
JN the guy who has done these studies was first in new zealand and now i believe he is working out of sydney , im not 100% sure. He might be a good man to get in touch with. I am going to try and get in touch with the university in dunedin, they might know somehing.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18008328
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15358676
These could be the studies kazman is talking of, sorry to steal your thunder if they are.
If the form of oxytocin you have does nothing for you do you think its wise to try injections, so it can be definantly ruled out as being ineffective, and did the doctor give you any sort of time frame for it to work?
Good posts chaps, keep them coming. Tim, No, he gave no idea of length of time to work.
I am still suffering low body temps, despite having started hydrocortisone 20mg per day in divided doses, which is simply not touching me. I still have symptoms.
It is well known that the compounded slow release AUSTRALIAN T3 is ineffective as it contains a packing material that prevents interaction at the thyroid receptors. (why else would I have a T3 level of 43, where upper limit is 6!!!, and still be HYPO!!)
Tomorrow I will be taking Cytomel made by King, which I acquired from USA.
I am hoping for significant improvements now I am ceasing Australian T3. We’ll see.
JN
JN
be patient
i was on hydrocortisone for a few days, immediate effect, blood pressure from 100/90-60/50 to 120/80
however i felt nothing awesome first few weeks, try it for a couple more weeks
if this doesn’t work, go straight to mlm pregnenolone or transdermal preg for cortisol
You were getting a result from the Australian T3 when you were initially using it. You were also taking higher amounts of Test and DHT.
Yes I did. Maybe it was the small amount of T3 added to my already available endogenous T3. The effects were noticeable in improvement, although yes, I was taking DHT as well.
I am currently taking 10, 5, 5 mg of hydrocort
I am on my 2nd day of 100mcg T3 (cytomel, made by King). NO Australian T3.
We’ll see what happens.
Cumkwakka, I don’t understand your post above. Did you say you has immediate good effects or not?
JN
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