JN's story -- former 2001 Yahoo Group Member

Yes, I am constantly monitoring my LFTs, thanks.
I am taking very little in terms on meds. Andractim is very safe.

The good news is that my kidney pain is getting better as the weeks pass.

I need DHT Hept soon.

JN

Hey JN,

Have you ever considered just ordering 3-adiol G directly instead of DHT hept?

No, I haven’t. I heard you could get such a preparation in combination with Viagra but it was discontinued. (3 Adiol G + Viagra). I would wonder about the half life of 3 Adiol G and how long it persists in the body. Perhaps it is worthy of investigation.

I am confident DHT injections will have a positive effect on me.
My DHT Heptanoate preparation has been posted to me by Fedex by my overseas source.

I am hoping to receive by 9th June, and am hoping to end my suffering soon. If this doesn’t work, I have no answers and am at the end of the road.
The following regimen currently keeps me reasonably happy, allows me to have a beautiful girlfriend (who I can make laugh :slight_smile:, have reasonable sex with and have lots of crazy fun with, allows me to play sport, go to work, paint my paintings, rollerblading etc). I have a good quality of life.

Testosterone 50mg IM per week
HCG 250iu twice a week
Andractim gel 15 g per day ( 3 applications each of 5g)

I just want a lot more back.

Laters

JN

Hi JN

I asked u before how r ur balls? do u think HCG is helping keeping them the normal size? and helping them function correctly? Did u think of doing HCG+Arimidex monotherapy?

sps

Striken,

Yes I think HCG improves my testicle size and quality.
Importantly, the more DHT I have in my system, the fuller my scrotum.

I believe DHT improves the size and quality of my balls and scrotal fullness.

JN

Just to update,

I received Dihydrotestosterone Heptanoate raw material yesterday. I constituted it into injectable preparation 150mg per ml. I made 20mls. Here are the constituents I used:

3 grams DHT Hept
17.6mls arachis oil (peanut oil)
2mls Benzyl Benzoate
0.4mls Benzyl Alcohol

Filtered and sterilised. Crimped sealed delivered, I’m yours baby.

It will take a week or two to notice effects, and over time I will wean myself off Andractim, leaving me on DHT Heptanoate, should everything go to plan.

I injected 150mg yesterday, and I guesstimate 150mg per week is required (but I am being conservative). I think twice weekly injections of 75mg may suffice. I’m feeling good.

JN

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JN - hows it going??? dying to know

Right, updating in hindsight. I took the 2 types of DHT up until recently.

Andractim helped sexual symptoms somewhat and kept my mood up somewhat. Allowed me to get away with a T level slightly higher than normal. Did little for energy.

IM Mesterolone was better and did the above but gave me a larger amount of energy.

Still nowhere near recovery. Say, 40% recovery of total symptoms. T + DHT is simply NOT my cure.

JN

Theory of clinical hypothyroidism. (updated in hindsight)

I posted a lot here…
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Noticed I had a temp of 34.7 degrees Celsius one morning; clearly hypometabolic!! Subsequent blood tests showed

Reverse T3 result 25/6/2010

786 on range (140 to 540)

Started on slow release T3 50mcg per day made by compound pharmacy today. ( I started T3 on Tues 28th June 2010).

JN

so you just started your t3 today?

This post was written under another section on 28th July 2010. I had been on T3 for 4 weeks.

Update 4 weeks on 50mcg T3 a day.

I have noticed excellent results so far. I am the best I have been since taking finasteride. Specifically…

Erections are virtually full strength
I have had nocturnal and morning erections last 3 weeks. Quite full, consistent, still not full strength. (barely had any semblance of morning erections post fin, and very poor erections full stop). Dramatic improvement.
Ejaculate better quality, perhaps fuller
Increased energy, stamina, reduced lethargy
increased sweating, androgenicity, acne itchy nasal hair, itchy scalp
Mood much better, no signs of depression, no anxiety.
Perhaps loss of muscle and fat (as expected as T3 will catalyse destruction of both). I’m much leaner.

My g/f remarks on my excellent moods. I tend to remark about how much better I am in bed.

Bear in mind it takes 12 weeks for reverse T3 to clear from receptors. I am effectively a third of the way through treatment. I feel MUCH better. I am so excited about the direction on my life right now.

As I speak, I am very jet lagged after having been in Europe for the last 3 weeks. I have missed and been erratic with T doses, which makes analysis of my state slightly less accurate (I feel worse today than, say, 3 days ago). Overrall, much better.

I don’t want to speak too early as I am notorious for early conclusions, and consequent emotional crashes. I also tend to hyperbole and exaggerate my situation (out of hope, fear and passion).

I didn’t want to update after a month but I have received quite a few private messages prompting feedback on my situation. I will leave it another month until I update. There is a possibility that I will be firing on ALL cylinders in a month.

Current regimen:

T 60mg per week
HCG 250iu twice a week
Mesterolone 25mg IM every other day
T3 50mcg a day capsule

I want (and am finding) that I am able to taper down the mesterolone IM. (I have been using this as DHT source to improve energy, sexual functioning) . 5 days after starting T3 I missed my mesterolone IM dose (I left it 3 days). Seriously, I couldn;t move off the couch for lack of energy. I simply felt too lethargic to move!!

Now I can easily go 4 or 5 days without Mesterolone. Added to that, my sexual functioning is improving even tho I’m lowering my DHT dose!

ANyway, gotta go, will update in a month. Gotta go and live my life…this month’s gonna be fun…lots of cool stuff to do, rock on!!!

JN

As the days go by, I’m getting better and better and better. Full erections now. Morning erections, nocturnal erections. Acne returning R side of neck like pre fin when I was 21. Ejaculate much healthier. Head is itchy. I grew my hair for a few days, and ran my hand over my head; lots of tiny hairs on my hands. My head hair is seemingly falling out again.

Much leaner. Much more energy!! (My T level is normal).

I am a different person. My mood is stable and constant. Not taking a DHT (which could sometimes make me slightly euphoric) and I think I have a few small steps to go re, mood, but I now have nice, stable moods. My girlfriend is shocked by my progress. I am in unprecedented territory and I keep getting better and better.

I did my body temperature at work and it is still quite low, however. 36 degrees maximum. Maybe an increase in temperature comes a later.
I still have progress to make. Libido not fully returned.
Looks like my 10 year shit was due to high reverse T3 levels. I wish someone had told me this 10 years ago. Wow, do I wish this.

JN

i’m very happy for you. fingers crossed.

Its curious - the idea of reverse T3 or simply of a thyroid problem has been mentioned before a few times. Mitch got better after armour thyroid, dury did too. I remember when someone was feeling better with tyrosine supplementation and i remember someone feeling better with ashwagandha. All have an impact on the thyroid. I’m not saying this is the be all and end all but its definately a possibility. Everyone here suffers from a slightly different problem. For example Xyrem didn’t help me but it did help ithappens. Stacker T helped boost my testosterone but although i had an increase in the androgen effects on my body i didn’t feel overall any better. It gave me better erections, libido, increased hair loss, increased acne but it did not make me feel overall better in myself. If you increased testosterone in a normal person it would do all the above. So maybe thyroid has something to do with it. I mean in my case one would think if my body is reacting to the increase in testosterone by doing all the above surely i would feel better in myself. No more brain fog, no more fatigue - but that wasn’t the case. Secondly with antibiotics and horny goat weed i do get consistent morning erections. My point being maybe we are focussing too much on testosterone and not on the wider HPTA.

After I’ve had a week or two break from any hormone altering drug i intend to try taking thyroid hormone as cytomel with a supplement supporting my thyroid.

That’s great JN! Glad to hear you’re getting somewhere. It’s owed to you with all you’ve been trying. Best of luck.

Congratulations on your recovery JN. You never gave up and you definitely showed me the right attitude that you need to fight this thing.

I want to ask you if you have had your copper levels tested yet? The reason I am asking is that copper impairs thyroid function and so its great that you are responding so well to the thyroid meds, but if you have copper toxicity then it might affect your thyroid again in future.

RSA, I have never had my copper levels tested. Thanks for the advice, however, and I will follow other people’s comments re, copper levels. I will ensure my levels are tested in the next month or so.
My update is that I am feeling great. I’m a different person on T3 (and TRT); happy, calm, relaxed, normal!! No mood swings. I get out of bed in the mornings and I’m ready for a normal day!
I am now able to achieve full erections, and I get nocturnal erections. Morning erections have somewhat subsided, interestingly, but I am not concerned. Libido is starting to return; I spend most evenings chasing my girlfriend around the flat, rather to her annoyance.
Also, I am applying deodorant every day! I simply would not sweat prior to all this, whereas now I get that slightly ‘sticky’ feeling. This has developed in the last week or so.
Acne returning to neck, good facial hair growth, I’ve not checked head hair loss (I wet shave my head).
The amount of T I inject is now less than 50mg per week! (I actually require 40mg T per week plus 2 doses HCG to get to top of the normal range).
I have loads of energy now. My girlfriend and I got stuck in the woods and had to jog out before it got too dark. She’s a top runner and I was concerned that she’d show me up (as I’ve not run on so little T before) but I peeled off 8 kilometres really easily so T3 is clearly doing its job! A massive difference from not being able to move of the sofa to make a cup of tea.

Anyway, I got stuff to do…going to buy a huge aquarium…laters!!

JN

JN,

Gotta ask this question since it’s important…are you still taking ANY DHT? I’m wandering if the T3 your taking is helping absorb it in your body if indeed you are still taking it…and if your not, maybe TRT conversion to DHT is absorbing it more efficiently…

Taking no DHT.

Taking T 50mg per week (a maximum)
HCG 250iu twice per week
T3 50mcg a day.

Feeling very good. I’m now able to have sex repeatedly throughout the night. The difference is quite remarkable. Acne returning. Libido improving. EVERYTHING fitting into place. Loads of energy. I’m rocking.

JN