Look, I dunno. I’m just taking way too high a dose. Nearly 5g of a synthetic methylated steroid is not good.
I’m not touching Masteron again. I’m just about to pay for the Andractim. There is evidence behind it increasing AdiolG and it is safe.
I just hope I can survive the couple of weeks it takes for the Andractim to get here.
I may seem like a madman but I simply cannot tolerate the incessant shit feeling that finasteride caused. I just cannot stand it. I’m trying so hard.
Peace chaps
JN
JN I truely feel sorry for you. I were you , I would just stay away from any thing at least for 3-6 months so that body is clear and would get new blood test. I would then start my treatment from there. If had low T then I would stay only on HCG and Arimidex to give my body some time go naturally.
Can I once again ask you what was your T-leve before starting these all, 10 years ago. Also why do’t you go on just HCG and give your body some time to heal naturally.
SPS
JN,
You are trying your best…It’s ok…
Keep on fighting…
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Hi JN,
You are a brave man in taking what you have and you are one of the most valuable members here. I do echo what the others are suggesting though, in that maybe you need to give your self a rest from all the drugs for a while. You are in a really tough situation, your job is among the most stressful there is. I personally think you need to give yourself a break.
Did your brain fog ever leave? It seems to me that for most people it subsides almost entirely without any medication at all. It took about 12-14 months, but i can honestly tell you i can think clearly. Perhaps once every 5/6 weeks i have 4 days which i feel awful, but apart from that i can handle my job alright in general. My job is about 1/10th as demanding as yours though. I do feel ive probablly lost an edge from taking propecia but its not that bad. I agree that your job would be a nightmare with brain fog, but i think you could manage well if this side affect dissipated.
Now theres the sexual side effects. I cant pretend this side of things is alright. Its awful, but i can still live and hope. Anyway mate perhaps you need to give yourself a big long break for a while? I know it would feel like giving up, but you have to take care of yourself first and foremost. Do not forget that drugs are what got us into this problem in the first place.
Anyway, you have my number if you ever need mate. Im a psychology graduate, and even though i dont remember much i do have an ability to be generally postive and able to consider problems from many different angles.
Peace
after you get a baseline bloodtest why not go with what you know works?
something like:
2x a week 50 mg testosterone and 250 ius hcg
daily dht cream (normal dose application will increase levels longterm)
0.5 iu hgh daily 5 days on 2 days off
by playing conservative you are in the safe zone body wise and in the long term you will also see results
read this report on a guy who had no success with trt alone but hgh changed everything for him sex wise:
tnation.tmuscle.com/free_online_ … injections
HGH totally returned my sexual function within 2 months. It’s been amazing. Combined with TRT it will make you as good as new. I just recently added Stablon back in and it’s a great drug. It’s a crime that it was never submitted for FDA approval.
If you try TRT and still have libido and function issues HGH will clear it right up. The problem is getting it. Doctors act like it’s black magic.
Hi cumkwakka,
So as not to hijack this thread i was wondering if you could start a thread on your HGH protocol and how it has helped, it sounds like you’re doing well.
JN i know you have tried HGH so i would appreciate your input aswell.
mariobros
this will be last comment as to not hijack jn’s thread:
im sorry, i was quoting another guy on another forum who has had benefit in the sexual department with HGH, not me
jn has also had benefits with HGH
i am starting test injections as of next month instead of my gel, and will be using hcg along with it
if that doesn’t return sexual function i will try HGH
oh ok no worries.
that stablon sounds very interesting as well, perhaps worth investigation.
Awaiting Andractim order. Finally got it thro customs. Should receive it after Easter holiday.
Am deteriorating post Masteron. Noticeable drop in energy, sexual function, mood, prostate issues.
I think for me, this is all Adiol G related.
Technically should get better with Andractim. See papers.
Laters
JN
Andractim wont help you, cause you cant get it into your system. Andractim is not a solution only a suspension. Thats why women use it against cellulitis on skin. You have to modify the andractim to get it in your body.
Cytochrome, tell me more about this please. Are you very knowledgeable about Andractim?
I posted a link (see earlier) that shows that Andractim increases AdiolG most satisfactorily. Are you disagreeing with this evidence?
JN
clinchem.org/cgi/reprint/41/11/1617.pdf
I’ve posted this link again. As can be seen in the literature, the 5 alpha reduced metabolite in the urine is a direct consequence of DHT metabolism. It is raised by Andractim. So Andractim DOES get into your system, Cytochrome. Anecdotal reports state increase hair loss, increased beard growth etc. Again, systemic effects, NOT just local effects. One can apply the gel to any part of the body.
I have all the symptoms of DHT insufficiency. My hair does NOT fall out! Plus everything else.
The 2 previous DHT preparations I have tried have certainly worked for me: Proviron (weakly BUT significantly, I took 2 last night and FEEL MUCH better, erections also better) and Masteron (within minutes and erections were getting to near normal, acne etc much improved, mood high) before I stopped.
The mistake I made with Masteron was in thinking it was mainly androgenic. It’s not! It’s androgenic wrt to other BB compounds, but only 22% androgenic, 65% anabolic. Wrt my abdo pains, my kidney function went off slightly (creatinine was raised to 126 where upper limit was 110)-scary. And I was getting pain in both kidneys. I saw a renal physician and he stated I should make a full recovery. Jesus, I could have killed myself. I completely lost sight of any safety issues.
I will be surprised if Andractim doesn’t work for me, but I’ve said that before.
If not, I am going to fly to China, hire a lab, buy all the gear and formulate an injectable version of Proviron from principles of pharmacology. (Proviron has 3 to 5% bioavailability). Intramuscular is 100%. That’ll work. I’m alive on this earth once. Whilst I still breath oxygen, I will fight to get better.
Laters
JN
Just been reading everyone’s kind messages: Dustin, Sennex etc. Cheers chaps.
I’m a very intense person, type A personality etc. I attack everything and I’m an elitist. I always try very hard at everything I do.
This problem is going to be solved. There is no other option. Hopefully Andractim will do the trick, where it hasn’t for others.
This is the third DHT preparation I am going to try. The other 2 have worked. It is also systemic. I cannot see how this will not work.
Please, I want my life back.
JN
I used Andractim (10gr daily) for about 4 months with very little success.
Someone told me that he had success with 30gr! daily. Thats too much waste of the stuff. I have a friend who will help me to get the DHT out of the andractim gel. We want to make a nanosomal solution. Aplying 150mg DHT daily at morning should be enough to have good results. You canuse DMSO to support the penetration but there are some ingridients in the Andractim gel which I dont want to get into my body. So DMSO is only for a one-shot try. To see the difference.
Try the gel and you will see the results. Good luck!
Right, were you on TRT at the same time? As the literature states, T levels are suppressed by DHT.
JN
No I wasnt on TRT. But the T levels are supressed after a period of time (10-14 days). Brain needs time to recognize exogen DHT use. This means there should be enough Testosterone and DHT in the first 10 days.
But everyone has to make his own experience. So, try it and tell us how you feel after a while!
Wish you success!!!
Jesus Holy Christ, I hope I get success. This is very important. I have certainly responded well to the other 2 forms of DHT (Proviron and Masteron).
For the life of me, I cannot understand why Andractim will not therefore work, given it is proven to increase DHT metabolites (and I have a proven low AdiolG).
Surely I have no DHT or androgen receptor issues due to my previous response.
Here I am feeling like an old man (Masteron has worn off), gutted like a fish from Propecia, a pill I took when I was 21 for a few months.
Laters
JN
JN be strong and take the advice of some peopple here and stop slowly every thing. Maybe your body needs some rest and wants to get out all the chemcals you have been puttin in.
I am again repeating give time for 3-6 months have blood test and then slowly start your treatment. you are putting too much stuff in your body.
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