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I have been on TRT for about 4 months. In my opinion TRT should be avoided. I became worse. I got better after 2 months ,although still not like before.
i think if your gonna go on TRT, you should consult with a good doctor who knows his stuff.
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I think someone like Dr. Crisler will save you alot of time and frustration. I’m a patient of his, and he is a good guy…I mean that sincerely.
Wish you the best,
anon
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Well, yes, the aim of TRT is to keep T level and top of the physiological range. Dr Crisler uses the cypionate ester once a week which is fine. He puts HCG injections the day before and 2 days before the T injection as this is when the cypionate ester falls in the blood (HCG also causes T release from testes). Thus a constant T level is maintained throughout the week.
I, myself, use Sustanon 100 (which is a combination of 3 different esters which therefore peak at different times), thus keeping T constant. When I was a patient of Dr Crisler in 2005, he recommended 40mg per week of T cypionate with 2 x HCG injections.
The combination of these ester means that T only has to be injected once a week or every 2 weeks.
So it depends what type of T you are injecting. It is worthwhile investing time in educating oneself about one is injecting. The previous chap who stated he had been on TRT for some months but felt worse is probably very ill informed about TRT, ester length and aromatisation into E2. Shame, the information is readily available on the net, and he will suffer due to his ignorance.
Ignorance unfotunately is widespread here. I was corresponding with a chap from this forum about his injecting of Drostanolone Enanthate. He gave up after 8 days of low dose injections, citing ‘it was not working’. Amongst BB, the general consensus is that it takes 2 to 3 weeks before effects of the enanthate ester (7 carbon chain length vs say, cypionate which is 8 carbon chains) starts taking an effect. Again, this information is readily available on the net and I found the answer I was looking for within 30 seconds!!
My update is that I am injecting thus
- Sustanon 100 ( 3 different ester lengths) 20mg twice per week.
- HCG 125iu 4 times per week
- Drostanolone Enanthate 750mg per day.
I am getting better. I have been injecting Drostanolone at this dose of the ENANTHATE (longer acting ester vs PROPIONATE) since 4th March. I am now starting to feel effects. There are so many intricate observations I could make about my treatment. One of them is that I have started (!) to notice a touch of brain fog. It appears that as I move through the various hormonal states, I can relate a little more to the nature and severity of symptoms that other chaps on this forum describe!
My point is that I was truely truely, severely and dramatically effected by finasteride. I believe it didn’t just weaken my Type 2 enzyme. It smashed it to smitherines. I think I was so violently depressed, so dysfunctional, so sexually incapable, so violated by finasteride, that the relatively mild symptom of brain fog didn’t register with me. Anyway it’s not a competition and I ramble.
I am noticing good erections, full and thick ( I now remember how large my penis used to be(!)), near normal ejaculate. Libido is improved, but still not there.
I went for a weekend away and noticed scalp flakes all over the headrest. My hair is starting to fall out. My scalp is tingling like it did 10 years ago. Acne is returning. I am sweating more. More hairs on my body. More bogies in my nose. Scrotum fuller.
Bear in mind that I am taking only 40mg of T per week!!! I used to require 250mg per week to survive.
I am not yet better however, and need to give it more time. Still a little ‘depressed’ in the mornings. As the enanthate ester stays in one’s system for 28 days, I will have some idea of whether the dose I am on is appropriate after 28 + 3 days (an extra 3 days required for the 28th dose of enanthate ester to peak) of commencing treatment.
I also have a constant twinge of pain under my right ribcage in the hepatobiliary area. I believe this is probably a gallbladder related pain (the gallbladder is very reponsive to changes in hormonal status…the common sufferers of gallstones are the 3 ‘f’ women: female, fat, forty (ie) the most oestrogenic of humans. I am becoming less oestrogenic over time (as increasing DHT opposes E2) and possibly my gallbladder is changing in nature. I am only mildly concerned as I don’t want the pain to be liver related…drostanolone is deemed to be minimally hepatotoxic although I taking a large dose. Of note is the fact that the aforementioned member of this forum who took Drostanolone for 8 days (only 4 doses at low dosage) also experienced a similar pain. Now he certainly was NOT taking a hepatotoxic dose of Drostanolone, and I think this lends itself to mild structural (and insignificant) changes to gallbladder. I also have NO other symptoms or signs of liver dysfunction. But yes, I will test my LFTs at work soon.
Therefore, I should review this on 4th April. I will do levels at some stage, but I believe there is no point at the moment. I am on a ‘normal’ dose of T per week, E2 therefore cannot rise, and the only other parameter of note is Adiol G which I am attempting to increase by injecting Drostanolone.
I still believe I am on track for a full and total recovery.
JN
Hi
what do you mean by " I got better after 2 months ,although still not like before." you mean after stopping TRT your T-level was even lower than your T-level before starting TRT?
Could I ask you what was your T-lvel before and after TRT?
how r u feeling now and what r you doing to combat your situation?
SPS
Hi JN
when there are concerns about liver problems with the use of TRT why dont you use just HCG. ON some body builder forums shome guys are maintaining healthy level of Tesosterone just by using HCG. it is not hepotoxic, and converts less to Estrongen (if used low doses daily)
We will have to accept the fact we can not go back and become what we used to be. Now we need to maintain our health with minumally further destroying our health.
SPS
Striken, ‘finastery’ seems like a dick. Leave him. One post in which he advertises a book. Whatever. Mew, delete him.
I have no issues with my T/HCG regimen. I hope Drostanolone is not being toxic to my liver, that’s all. I shall check my LFTs at some stage.
I agree I (we) will never be ‘natural’ again.
However, most guys my age (30) are starting to deteriorate hormonally. Many of my friends are fat/unhealthy etc, and I see the rest of my life as a beautiful opportunity to get the most out of life, whilst enjoying the optimal state of my hormones.
As the days pass, erections are improving. I am somewhat emotionally depressed (the drop in T from 250 per week to 40 per week) has lowered my mood, but I am hoping that as Drostanolone kicks in further over the next 2 weeks, my mood and libido should pick up.
Let’s hope.
JN
Hi Jn
you did not answer my questions. why not HCG alone on daily basis when it is closer to natural body’s T production.
May I ask you what was your T- level prior to start any treatment, I mean 10 years ago when you stopped Fin and got your blood check.
I have low T- level and can live with it , the only problem is my muscles and bone pain other wise I am fine, I don’t or will not car too much about sex given present conditons.
thanx
sps
Hello JN,
hope you wouldn’t mind lending me your opinion on E2 control.I am on 100mg/wk of Test Cyp. but if you look at my attached bloodwork you’ll note that the E2 reading was 99 (range 28 to 156 pmol/L) and this was 96 hours after my injection of TC.A previous blood test taken 48 hrs after administration showed an E2 reading above 156.Do you think that I would benefit from 1/4 tab Arimidex twice weekly?Before answering,please take note that since last week I have started on Masteron(see thread under HRT) which is also supposed to act as an anti-aromatase.
Sorry to hijack your thread,but you seem to be very knowledgeable on hormones. 
jn
what is your opinion about the sustanon esters vs enanthate/cypionate? i read reports it’s not good for hrt/trt purposes due to the different esters/not so stable blood values
others state their libido improved drastically on it
were you previously under dr crislers treatment? if so what were your levels pre hrt / and what were they on that protocol, how did you feel and how was ed/libido?
also:
why are you injecting the drostanolone enanthate version multiple days in a week since the ester has a longer half life?
thx
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Hello,
The good news is that Masteron has made me pretty much better. Really.
The bad news is that I have pain in right upper quadrant over liver area, I’m shitting myself and am going for blood tests later.
Do not use Masteron please.
Dustin, you were somehow right and I’m an arrogant shameful shit.
I’m fed up of this.
JN
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dosing every 4th day is a protocol i see a lot is this good?
Sorry to hear man but you gotta be careful for your body!
What about injecting it once or twice a week at that dosage (or even lower better). You would not get the same results but over time blood levels might build up to stable, and you can test dht/adiol g to see how it works.
6x750 mg is a lot man!
Right, just got my bloods back that I did urgently. Liver function is normal. Coagulation normal.
I am very relieved although I am not out of the woods in the slightest.
I have pain under R costal margin and the doctor believed he could palpate my liver.
I don’t think my liver is quite right. Luckily the liver is a very forgiving organ.
It is now time for a reality check. I am scared. I want to declare that my functioning is very good. I feel good. I don’t think Masteron should be used as a means of increasing AdiolG. I am stopping Masteron immediately.
Below is the study for Andractim and how it successfully increases urinary DHT metabolites. I have just ordered 90 tubes from Belgium costing 1200 dollars, straight out of the Besins factory. It should arrive in the next two weeks as I start to deteriorate.
clinchem.org/cgi/reprint/41/11/1617.pdf
My experience with DHT tells me I should get better with Andractim. But clearly I am a fuckwit and I’d advise everyone reading my posts to do so with a large pinch of salt.
I’m truly sorry to everyone for my behaviour again. I feel like a silly fool., but I hope I am going to be ok. I am clearly able to march down a particularly pathway, not to be swayed by reason or common sense. Worse still, I have been rude and arrogant to those with a voice of reason. (Dustin, scaredmale30).This is my flaw. I am a scared desperate man.
I can’t wait for these Drostanolone half lives to wear off. I’m not out of the woods and the coming weeks will indicate how my liver deals with the ester.
JN
I thought Masteron was not hepatotoxic? Are you sure that’s what’s causing the problem?