So then lets all donate $250 per individual every 3 months until we have enough money…Put it in some kind of trust account that yields interest…I dont know, but we need to do something…
I think JN is on the right path, but having a scientist look at this is also a good thing…
So who is down for this? If we have atleast 100 people donate $250, that’s $25000 right there…How much money will we need to get a scientist to look at this?
How well did Dustin react to TRT? Is there a link you can give me please?
Ive tried all sorts of sh*t with this. I am finally starting to lose hope altogether. I am working with a few doctors, basically trying to hit this from all angles. Its costly, tedious and utterly heart breaking when time after time nothing works. But what else can I do?
Awol, please answer this for me.
Is there a treatment if we have desensitization to androgens or are we f*cked?
If we are f*cked then I will just go move out in the sticks in some little cottage far away from anyone and live out the rest of this pittifull existance without all the cost and stress of running to doctors all the time and trying to nut this out.
I would be happy to donate money to try and get a scientist onto this. Think about how much money we spend every 3 months on doctors and medicine that dont work.
j89, stop freaking out. I’m sitting here after work with a good boner, feeling happy and horny,my scalp tingling away. Most acne i’ve had since i took fin. Injected only 200mg T since 4th january. Now going to pop to the gym with my girlfriend for a boxing session. Loving it. Or maybe i should sit in a corner and wait for my ‘desensitisation’ to kick in. Any advice? JN 
JN…more details please 
Exactly how horny are ya? Honestly.
Hornyness is the meat and potatoes of this illness. I need to be horny again.
First, I think you need to definitively assess if you can improve your situation with some form of androgen supplementation. That is why I would have like to hear from you what you’re on at the moment and what you have tried. From your posts I understand that you have tried gel but didn’t have success. It is very unlikely that injections will solve your problem if gel didn’t really work. Your thus left to try DHT, VERY carefully. If you want to check this out, I would try Andractim before doing something as radical as JN has. If Andractim doesn’t work, than Masteron won’t either.
If all of the above fails (and we’re unfortunately not all as lucky as JN seems to be), I still wouldn’t say we’re f***, but there is definitely no quick fix. If some hormones are completely out of range, you can start working that front. But I am sure you’ve been through all that.
To get to your question: It depends on what the reason is for our insensitivity (or rather what mechanism is involved), so I can only answer your question from a hypothetical point of view. In the best case, our body is overproducing some protein which down-regulates androgen receptor gene expression. In such a case there conceivably could be a way to influence the production of this protein. In the worst case, if some pathways got remodeled because of a lack of DHT, then we’re not in a good position but still not screwed. Our body has very powerful capabilities to heal itself. We must then hope that our system will find a way to untangle this mess we got it in. I’m 100% sure that one of the best ways to support this is to quit interfering with hormones and let our bodies figure it out. Chances are, that it knows it better than we do. But it takes a lot of time and tons of patience.
The next best thing in such a case would be to sue the hell out of Merck and at least get financial compensation.
Either way, we need scientific support for this. Mew and I are working in the background to achieve this goal in 2010. Maybe we can get this support “for free”, so much the better. If not, we’re going to have to buy it. If we reach that point we’re going to start a fund and ask everyone to donate. But we’re not there yet.
I would gladly donate to the cause. Please let me know if this is going to happen.
JN its interesting that your acne is coming back. Makes me wonder if there IS a link between us and the accutane guys.
Please mate, keep us posted. I beleive you may be onto it.
I think you are wrong by assuming that because a DHT gel or cream doesnt work, that Masteron wont work either. By injecting the DHT straight into the system, it assures it will “get in”. There is a reason why JN chose an injectable and this is it. In his own words “no fucking about”. You can have all sorts of absorbtion problems with gels and creams. In a situation like this it doesnt pay to assume.
Im not interested in sueing Merk right now, I want to get better first. Then I may attempt to sue them, but to honest, I would rather just get better and put this behind me.
I have thought about maybe starting a fund raiser. A charity fund where people can donate for our cause. Its worth a try IMO. Also we need to find out where our problem can be put to scientists. Is there some avenue of posting our problem where scientists can pick and choose what they wish to take on?
Howabout ringing some universities? We could be a case study.
Everything is going according to plan. I just injected 40mg T as I was feeling a bit ‘low’. (I have dramatically reduced T levels from 250mg/week to 200mg in the last 4 weeks).
I would NEVER have been able to get away with roughly 50mg per week of T before Masteron. Never. I couldn’t even get away with 150mg per week.
I was taking 100mg Masteron per day. I think I need to up the dose. BB classically take 300 to 600mg per week, but I assume their 3 Adiol G is ‘normal’. A lot of this I think I can do by clinical ‘feel’.
I am going to take 150mg a day of Masteron.
I shall do levels at some point, when I have time.
My libido is higher, although not back to the point of prefin. I am 60% of the way there. I think I will reach 100% with an increasing dose of Masteron. I can get erections quite easily after a few seconds of manual stimulation (not massively powerful erections, but quite good). Have nocturnal boners and morning boners (again, not full on). Ejaculate better consistency. Acne increasing. Scalp tingly but not losing more hair (yet). I am more vascular. I smell of sweat more. I am gaining body hair. Skin is more oily. I am feeling how I used to feel.
Getting better is a process, and I am suffering my ups and downs, but I will be very very surprised if I don’t make a full recovery. I think if I was to inject 250mg T per week (as I was previously doing) and take 100mg Masteron per day, I’d be pretty much back to normal. I, however, want my T to be normal.
The only thing that worries me at this point is not whether Masteron is my cure (I think it is), but how fellow Australian sufferers are going to acquire Masteron at the ridiculous BB black market price of 350 dollars per 1000mg vial. (and even then, you don’t know what you are going to get).
I do, however, think that I require a higher dose than others because I was so ridiculously fucked up by finasteride that I reckon my Adiol G was pretty much zero off treatment (and incompatible with life).
JN
You are a trailblazer JN - thanks man.
Do the manufacturers of Masteron know about this new application for their product? If they realize there’s a huge potential market they might be prepared to lobby for its authorization…
This concerns me also. This is out of the reach of almost everyone I know. Me included.
If this works for you and you can back it up with labs, do you think you would have a shot (no pun intended) of getting the government to allow us to have this? I think you mentioned suicide risk as a possible reason for this to get passed for us to use. I think this is a very valid argument. I will do whatever I can to help JN.
Listen, I’m concerned.
You are basically asking me to be your doctor, J89. I have advised another Australian (Sennex) to see Professor Handelsman in Sydney as he is going to be the final referral point for this, whoever you see first.
Smashing the ignorance and beauracracy is a process. It’s time consuming and soul destroying at times. I spent hundreds of hours worming my way trying to acquire Drostanolone, and a lot of heartache.
I have spent 9 years fighting and fighting and fighting to exist on this planet with any degree of happiness.
You need to see Professor Handelsman (who I have chatted to INFORMALLY and is INFORMALLY aware of the problem).
I was able to acquire Masteron and write my own scripts because I am a doctor.
If you don’t get any success with Professor Handelsman then contact me to be your doctor, but bear in mind I am exhausted from all this and have paved the way enough on various fronts. I will also have to enter dangerous territory and raise alot more eyebrows (I have already upset the TGA and my own medical board- I had to be interviewed by a psychiatrist and an endocrinologist and the Chair of the Medical Board to assess to see if I was impaired in doing my job). Yes, I’ve been through the fucking mud backwards.
You have a duty to cut though some more of Australian’s pathetic beauracracy, for your own sake and for the sake of others. It’s not easy but you will get what you want. You have to pick up the baton from me.
You need to book an appointment with Professor Handlesman ASAP. I cancelled mine on 1st Feb as I got what I want.
JN
JN, its late and forgive me if im not 100% taking in what your saying…
But are you saying that this professor is likely able to prescribe me Masteron if I put my case to him?
If this is the case, then why the need to acquire it from the black market?
If I need to see him, I will certainly go and see him and thankyou for putting me onto him. I would certainly see you as a doctor instead if you were willing to take me on and you were able to prescribe Masteron.
Let me get this straight…is Masteron able to be prescribed in Australia at all? And if its not, have you had some special permission to prescribe it for yourself and others? Or just yourself?
From what I know, Masteron is not available on prescription in Australia. I am a prime candidate for the suicide argument - beleive me I could prove it with the hours of councelling I have had over this and things ive said to doctors who I think would back me up. Ive had more than one doctor talk me out of suicide.
Im very happy JN has improved. At the moment im feeling content so i would like to just wait this one out for a while and watch. If DHT is the answer for many of us, and i wouldn’t be suprised if it is, JN should have a great time of things. Please keep us updated mate and be happy
Hey chaps,
Right, well I’ve injected 240mg T since 4th January. I think my T is low/normal (certainly not high), and thus my E2 must be low. (I have been taking Arimidex). I am taking 150mg Masteron per day. Also HCG 150iu 3 times a week as part of standard TRT.
My aim was to reduce T to normal physiological levels as I NEVER want my E2 to rise. The theory (which is something I feel clinically), is that all this suffering is due to unopposed E2 activity (due to low DHT availability).
I currently feel a bit crap BUT MY SEXUAL FUNCTION IS QUITE GOOD. Also my scalp is tingling. This is very significant. My DHT is higher on Masteron, my E2 must be normal and my T is low/normal.
I feel crap because my T is low/normal and my DHT isn’t yet what it should be. That said, this is all going exactly to plan. It is massive news for me to have got away with only 240mg T in last 5 weeks, and clearly Masteron is bumping up my Adiol G and compensating for my low T (T and AdiolG work together to make you FEEL good). Added to this is the improved sexual function provided by DHT.
I am now going to inject more T. To keep me going and make me feel better.
I am running out of Masteron (the BB supply which costs 350 dollars per 10ml vial), and am therefore going to use the powder I have imported from China which is to be made in a compound pharmacy. It will take a couple of weeks to be made.
Thus I cannot increase the dose of Masteron yet. I reckon I may require upto 1500mg per week.
I theorise that if I was to inject twice as much Masteron as I am now, I’d be back to normal.
I will not run labs yet as I feel I have no need. I am sorting this out by clinical feel (using previous lab values as a guide). The only thing I am short of is enough Masteron.
JN
Out of curiousity? What was your T level b4 you started injections?
If it wasent really really low than why would you inject so little T? Why shut down what you make with possibly even less? Are you monitoring you T levels at all with that low does or are you just hoping its abit higher than before injections?
Couldent you just have gone with Masteron and arimidex without the T and get the same effects?
Edit: or is masteron shutting you down completely even without T injections?
DHT suppresses the HPTA. It will lower your testosterone at higher doses. TRT is a must when taking DHT from what I understand because the DHT then competes with testosterone.
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