Jin Stewart Kills PFS

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#50

Intredasting, I’m just about tapered off it now. Feeling a tiny tiny little bit better every day I gotta admit. Goodness knows what’s doing it. Put it down to the tomato juice protocol? Swinging up and down I guess, as we do, so at the very least I’ll enjoy it a little.

Had some bloods back, the ironic and weird thing is that since STOPPING the Cdnuts protocol my test has increased:

Test - 20 (8.64-29)
Test/Cortisol Ratio - 0.05
Cortisol - 411 (166-507)

Note no free test there, so the magic of Cd’s work could be in SHBG, or could all have been a lucky morning. Either way it DOES show my testicles are still working away, so I have that going for me which is aces. I’m not out to rubbish Cd’s work, just so that’s clear - he’s working towards a cure same as all of us in the end. And also I am still eating paleo, running A herb, exercising, so when I say I’m not doing it I’m kinda close anyway!

So, where next? We’ll see if improvements continue on the tomato juice protocol, might try the Medi Herb tribulus from next week, a couple of experiments and things to follow. TEI test is off so I’ll have that info and option also. Much to try, then of course Baylor studies and in the mean time Axolotl and Awor might cure this anyway.

But I’m going slowly in the right direction. Can’t be denied. Mentally moreso than sexually, but a little sexually.

I’m still, just on a hunch, pursuing short, high-dose sulforaphane runs. Worthwhile (maybe/maybe not) either through the HDACi or the AR destruction it does. In the same breath though, it’s perceived to be dangerous, so as usual, I caution people to stay away for now.

And as I don’t think I’ve posted it (and I hope SolvePFS and the OP are ok with me sharing) here it goes:

From TyCr0z:

So I did it like this:
Monday: no tomato juice, 400mg tribulus, no sex
Tuesday: no tomato juice, 400mg tribulus, no sex
Wednesday: no tomato juice, 400mg tribulus, no sex
Thursday: no tomato juice, 400mg tribulus, no sex
Friday: no tomato juice, 400mg tribulus, no sex, heavy workout (raises DHT)
Saturday: 400ml tomato juice after dinner, 400mg tribulus, no sex
Sunday: 300ml tomato juice after dinner, 400mg tribulus, sex
I only needed 4 of these cycles, then I had libido every day suddenly.
On Saturday I also had more calories than normal for dinner (was my cheatday, rest of the week I was eating 100% clean).

And taper down by 100ml each day.

More vegetables for Jin!

Keep going friends.

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#51

Gosh I never update this, but I’m doing a fair bit better these days. Not sure if it’s any part of odd off-forum experiments, exercise, tribulus… but something is definitely improving me a little, temporarily or otherwise.

The tomato juice thing didn’t work btw.

I can now tolerate tribulus way better and have a good feeling about Apr1989’s protocol, so might well return to that in time, few other things I want to try first.

Getting the correct Geneva test done too, working with functional nutritionist, gonna see if I can keep improving.

Keep fighting folks!

#52

Can you say what is better and what isn’t?

#53

Sleep is getting better! Definitely that. Mood and “world immersion” are better. Sexually not better. On the times I’ve tried I have ‘had’ sex but only passably, totally not like it was.

Also masturbation doesn’t crash me anymore. Though currently I’m off that, feels like it needs a rest.

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#54

Hello all, just letting you know I’m trying out Saint John’s Wort (Laif 900 brand) and have been for a week or so. Worked up to 1350mg/day.

Really doing good mentally now, things and feelings are coming back. Going to try it for 7 weeks or so and I’ll let you all know. :slight_smile:

Keep going everyone!

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#55

What would you attribute to your sleep getting better?

#56

OMG … is that real ? iherb and biova must love you.

How much does that cost each month ?

#57

Hi! Oh man I’m sorry I kept you both hanging! :frowning:

Definitely the RU helped, but I think RU is a bit of a risky one, so I’ll probably keep the details off this forum. The OVERVIEW though is I ran 800mg/day for 5 days and definitely slept better during/following and progesterone normalised after, but over the fortnight that followed all slipped back to PFS and progesterone back up.

The SJW made sleep excellent. I was guided by Beetlebum’s recovery. I’d link it but it’s promoting an alternative site, which is against the rules.

#58

SJW wasn’t a huge amount, that Laif 900 stuff I’ve still not got through the first box of.

#59

In the end I was fumbling around with the SJW to HUGE mental improvements and very little sexual improvement. It STARTED to improve, but I messed around with glandulars and licorice root and think I undid it some.

Still experimenting now with the SJW and IHP’s Chinese herbs. The Chinese herbs are expensive and make you poop, and I’ve not noticed much sexual improvement but I’ll carry on. Up to 900mg/day on SJW and mentally doing super.

There’s ALSO a pondering that running eg Silodysin and R-Andro together might block a1a receptors whilst increasing DHT, which I’m sorely tempted to try too, but I’ll see. Silodysin has sides we might well want to be cautious about.

Also also, as I’m a fan, ran some cortisol saliva tests over a day. Here we are:

Cortisol:
Waking - 28.1 nmol/L (ref 6-21) - over range
Midday - 4.98 nmol/L (ref 1.5-7.6) - perfect
2pm - 7.52 nmol/L (ref 0-5.5) - over range
4pm - 11.4 nmol/L (ref 0-5.5) - over range
6pm - 4.99 nmol/L (ref 0-4.5) - slightly over range
Before bed - 1.56 nmol/L (ref 0-2) - perfect

Keep going everybody!

#60

Back again. The SJW featured for a little while but I’m not sure much ‘stuck’ from it.

Long story short, I think I am mentally a bit better tbh. I have funnily enough also caught a cold, and feeling better for having it too (which I do hear is common.)

Next up I’m trying to ape IHP’s protocol for a bit, and also add in 450mg licorice root /day. It used to crash me, now doesn’t seem to. I’m well aware it’s risky but meh, gotta try something.

Best of luck everyone. Seeing as it was months before IHP saw results I’ll probably not have much to report back any time soon, but if I get miracles or get worse I’ll update.

#61

Seem to somehow be getting better by the day here mentally. Sexually not much improvement I don’t think. I might keep this up. GOD PLEASE DON’T JUST BE THE TAIL-END OF MY COLD PLEASE PLEASE BE ACTUAL PROGRESS!

My beautiful colleague and I are definitely calling it off, ACHING for her but she’s back with her ex. Funnily enough, looking over my old messages with her yesterday morning I “remembered” how I was and used to “think” in some way, and it felt very much like it “woke up” some old part of me. Mental symptoms since then have really been letting up and some of the outside world has been creeping back in. Didn’t realise I had such a “shut off” feeling going on for just under a year now. My God… It was also that feeling that brought back the “aching” for her, like when you’re realy heartbroken. I wasn’t actually “PFS-meh” about the whole thing I was UPSET and am UPSET today, and thinking post-breakup thoughts like I used to. It hurts, but it’s “familiar”.

I don’t know I understand the relationship between dopamine and serotonin, so I’m going to try and illustrate the following as best I can. When I took the Saint John’s Wort I felt a “warm marshmallow” feeling that came in waves, the second cycle of it stronger than the first. Was nice ofc, way better than the SHREDDING PFS sour headache, which it pretty much obliterated whilst I was on it.

Now I’m taking Licorice and Kudzu roots (and NOT the SJW) I get the same feeling in little waves. Is this dopamine and serotonin is reduced from the Kudzu? Goodness knows…

Masturbation doesn’t crash me, exercise feels better these days, if it weren’t for a couple of days on inositol (idiotic, I KNOW it doesn’t agree with me) then sleep would be better than post-crash too. Sexually not really anything improved and I won’t be having actual sex now for a time, so not sure what’ll happen there. WAS getting nocturnals and mornings were “trying” but that’s the inositol I think - not doing that again.

Diet is mostly chicken fried in ghee with vegetables (broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage) for two meals during the day, beet/carrot juice (store bought but nothing artificial) and for dinner some combination of chicken/beef ribeye/lamb (fried in ghee) VERY occasional salmon, a sweet potato, sometimes and avocado, broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage - but I eat TONS for dinner.

Updated supps list so we can track it:

AM:
Wormwood, clove, holy basil and black walnut hull tincture -OR- Phellostatin, which I run 8 tabs/day (4/am 4/pm) [IHP rotated these, today back on Phellostatin. 2 weeks then swap]
Tbsp diatomaceous earth mixed in
Occasional VSL probiotic mixed in
Multivitamin (Couple of times a week)
Nystatin 5 tabs 500,000 strength
Sodium butyrate ( a weird polish one, says " Butyrate sodium 1100 mg including butyric acid 340 mg") 2 or 3 tabs
BioKult probiotic 1 tab
licorice root 450mg
kudzi root 500mg
Butea Superba (Swanson) 4 tabs
Tribulus (mediherb) 1 tab
Terbinafine 250mg

During the day:
Some probiotics with food (Bioglan Biotic Balance) at work, NOW brand Super Enzymes or Viridian digestive aid (3-4 tabs) too with meals.
Dr Mercola SBOs and complete probiotics (triple dosages throughout the day.)
Nystatin 5 tabs 500,000 strength
“Restore” gut health supplement liquid - double dose at least throughout the day.
[For the time being, next week or so, I sneak off to the toilet about 10am and poop, then take RECTALLY 2x nystatin, 1x SBO probiotic and a complete probiotic. Just an experiment.]

PM:
Sodium butyrate 2 or 3 tabs
BioKult probiotic 1 tab
BioNutri Taracyn 1 tab
BioButri Eco Balance 1 strip of tablets
Gut protocol drink
Wormwood, clove and black walnut hull tablets. 1 of each on the non-Phellostatin weeks
About 250ml colloidal silver, 30ppm
Nystatin 5 tabs 500,000 strength
Butea (4 tabs)
Tribulus (1 tab)
Terbinafine 250mg (for the next week or so, finishing up a 2-week course)

For now, plans are to stick with this for the forseeable and see if I pick up sexually. Will give it another GOOD month and tweak only minorly. I SO SO wish I never got PFS I’ve lost so much muscle. Pondering (getting the supplies in for) a low-dose and quite short test prop cycle, with clomid PCT. Something for the sake of vanity, personal happiness and also a couple of people magically recovered after PCT - goodness knows how, just rolling the dice smacking the HPTA system around?

Lots of questions, nothing to do but keep trying stuff.

Keep going everyone.

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#62

As I’ve been experimenting and tinkering with fexofenadine and a little dramamine the mental sides have been almost erased. That’s since Monday.

I’ll just repeat that. MY MENTAL SIDES HAVE PRETTY MUCH GONE!

Dosages have been either 180mg fexofenadine last thing before sleep and once or twice tried 90mg fexofenadine and dramamine original (the drowsy sort) 25mg (that’s half a tablet of each.) Got any ideas what’s happening? Bear in mind I took 90mg fexofenadine every day for about three years pre-PFS (allergies to my cat) and this seems to be “filling in a gap” taking it again. Honestly the world is starting to look and feel like before, like a barrier got broken and I slipped through it. The planet doesn’t feel like a PFS struggle at this point it feels like a place full of sky and ‘holiday feeling’ - hard to describe, but reminds me of when you’re on holiday, just got up and had breakfast and no work to do just getting out and starting the day. That feeling…

Sleep is BETTER but not pre-fin at all. Fall asleep within 30 mins of the fexo/drama around 23:00 and usually wake up a bit wired around 4:30-5:30 and can’t ever quite nod off again. It’s also not “fully restful” somehow.

Sexually no change, still not great. No nocturnals, slight mornings, some arousal but fade quickly.

Current supps list so we’re up-to-date is:

AM:
Wormwood, clove, holy basil and black walnut hull tincture -OR- Phellostatin, which I run 8 tabs/day (4/am 4/pm) [IHP rotated these, today back on Phellostatin. 2 weeks then swap]
Tbsp diatomaceous earth mixed in
Occasional VSL probiotic mixed in
Multivitamin (Couple of times a week)
Nystatin 5 tabs 500,000 strength
Sodium butyrate ( a weird polish one, says " Butyrate sodium 1100 mg including butyric acid 340 mg") 2 or 3 tabs
BioKult probiotic 1 tab
licorice root 450mg
kudzu root 500mg
Butea Superba (Swanson) 4 tabs
Tribulus (mediherb) 2 tablets, cycling this in long cycles as per Apr1989.

During the day:
Some probiotics with food (Bioglan Biotic Balance) at work, NOW brand Super Enzymes or Viridian digestive aid (3-4 tabs) too with meals.
Dr Mercola complete probiotics (triple dosages throughout the day.)
Nystatin 5 tabs 500,000 strength
“Restore” gut health supplement liquid - double dose at least throughout the day.
Tribulus at lunch, 2 tabs or cycle dependent.

PM:
Sodium butyrate 2 or 3 tabs
BioKult probiotic 1 tab
BioNutri Taracyn 1 tab
BioButri Eco Balance 1 strip of tablets
Gut protocol drink
Wormwood, clove and black walnut hull tablets. 1 of each on the non-Phellostatin weeks
About 250ml colloidal silver, 30ppm
Nystatin 5 tabs 500,000 strength
Butea Superba (Swanson) 4 tabs
Tribulus (mediherb) 2 tablets
Before bed - dramamine 25mg and/or fexofenadine 90/180mg

So, if fexofenadine and dramamine are working, is that H1 receptor? Is it anti-allergy as they’re supposed to be and working as they should? Something else? Would dramamine be BETTER as it crossed bbb more readily? I know fexifenadine shouldn’t make ppl drowsy but it does seem to help me sleep a little bit. Who knows! lol. Might be worth trying the dramamine and fexofenadine on separate weeks and see which week (if any) is better, then we’d know if it’s the gen1 or gen2 antihistamine action doing me some good but to be perfectly honest I don’t think I’ve got another week of ANY mental symptoms if this improvement continues, I’m pretty much cognitively there now. Just dick, libido and sleep to improve. There’s an “amorousness” coming back though.

This is all rather epic.

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#63

If you want to look at this seriously, I would maybe cut out all the other supplements your taking for the moment and focus on the antihistamine. I would maybe take it during the day as well (at least the non-drowsy kind) so you know exactly what its doing. Also realize there could be a rebound histamine effect as well. Its part of the reason they dont recommend benadryl as a long term sleep aid because people build a tolerance to it.
Also zyrtec might be more potent than allegra.
Also there’s h2 blockers that might be more involved in sexual function and a plethora of other functions as well.
Pepcid ac is the most potent and selective, while tagamet is known to cause sexual dysfunction.
Is there a window where too much histamine is also detrimental? I have maybe seen that possibility in a few studies.
Idk though i have gone this whole route before ^ looking at all of this.
I did feel some more clarity with allegra myself at times, but I also noticed some other things after awhile that concerned me. Such as increased spastic movement or tics, anger, aggression, worsening facial inflammation or flushing/redness, idk.

anyway on benadryl, now could too much histamine cause the same problems? idk.

CAN ALLERGY MEDICATIONS HARM YOUR BRAIN?

https://www.alzdiscovery.org/cognitive-vitality/blog/can-allergy-medications-harm-your-brain
Diphenhydramine (e.g., Benadryl®) is a first-generation antihistamine medication [1]. In addition to treating allergy and cold symptoms such as sneezing and watery eyes, it also blocks the actions of acetylcholine. This is a neurotransmitter that is important for brain functions including learning and memory. Diphenhydramine is classified as an anticholinergic drug, and a study of this class of drug found that increased use is associated with an up to 54% increased risk of dementia [2].

In the short-term, side effects of diphenhydramine can include dizziness, drowsiness, confusion, blurred vision, sedation, difficulty urinating, constipation, and low blood pressure [3]. Multiple high-quality human trials have shown that diphenhydramine impairs cognitive functions such as alertness [4], attention [5], memory [5][6][7], executive function [8], reaction time [7], and vigilance [5]. These studies also reported that diphenhydramine increased fatigue and sleepiness while decreasing motivation [5]. An observational study of older hospitalized patients reported that diphenhydramine treatment significantly increased risk for delirium symptoms, including inattention, disorganized speech, and altered consciousness [9]. Older adults with kidney or liver impairment are especially prone to these adverse effects [1]. In fact, diphenhydramine is listed as inappropriate on the Beer’s Criteria for Potentially Inappropriate Medication Use in Older Adults [10].

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#64

OK, last Friday I quit almost all supps for a bit and improvements continue to creep along. Sleep still sucks but last night was better. Didn’t want to post updates to make it sound like I’m mending, but (let me phrase the following correctly) after a run of licorice root, kudzu root and nystatin (and others as above) and cutting down to the following I do seem to be improving mentally. Sexually no improvement, although masturbation doesn’t crash me anymore.

Supps are now near nothing. Digestive enzymes with every meal (usually 3 pills of Enzymedica Digest Gold with breakfast and lunch and 4 pills of NOW enzymes with dinner.) I also sip a little Restore gut health liquid supplement 1-2 times/day (finishing this up) and a few (3-6) tablets of probiotics throughout the day (Dr Mercola and BioKult.) Multivitamin 2-3 times a week.

Diet is usually something like:

Breakfast - 3-4 chicken thighs fried in ghee, boiled broccolli/cauliflower. Maybe 3-4 olives.
Lunch - same
Dinner - microwaved large sweet potato, brocolli/cauliflower (EOD), four eggs, many/mix of steaks/chicken thighs/lamb chops/mince all fried in ghee.

Drink beet and carrot juice throughout the day (maybe 1-1.5l of them mixed) and water at gym. Pau D’Arco tea also through the day.

Just sharing a little positivity, if nothing else. :slight_smile: I’ll stay off everything until at least next weekend and take some bloods then too.

Longer term IDK now - run this again? Test Prop/HCG and massive PCT? Microdose fin (yeesh)? Will give it a week or two and see how this pans out.

#65

Quick update then. Slowly but surely I’ve seen a trend in mental sides getting better. Quality of life/sense of wellbeing and world immersion I’d say are improving. I’ve come to realise those are “things” and these things are getting better, no doubt. Temporarily or forever who knows. Day by day almost they stay the same or very slightly improve.

Sleep I’m VERY cautious in saying is going the same way. Gradual improvements trending up.

Sexually however nothing major, I’d say almost slightly worse… weak nocturnals and mornings sometimes though but nothing much “responsive” and less from stimulation I guess, but I seem a little less bothered about that. Like it’ll even get better when it’s ready? Either way less freaked out by it. Coping.

God I wish I didn’t have PFS that’s for sure…

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#66

@jinstewart
Your last report with the slight progress sounds hopeful.
Are you following a specific diet? Do you fast sometimes?

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#67

Hi there. Yes and yes. :slight_smile:

Diet is pretty regular, I have since PFS been attempting some sort of diet or another. I’ve not really got a direction specifically now, just try to stay within a few parameters that have helped people before. Went carnivore for a month or two over the summer, not sure how much it helped. Crept veggies back in (mostly cauliflower and broccoli and at nights sweet potato) and now it’ll usually be:

Breakfast - four chicken thighs (cold) from the fridge, fried in ghee, broccoli.

Lunch - same/similar, maybe beef. Some new potatoes.

Dinner - steaks/lamb chops/chicken thighs (mix of LOTS of those) fried in ghee or oven roasted, 4-5 fried eggs, sweet potato, small amount of broccoli or cauliflower.

Throughout the day beetroot/carrot juice (slowing the beetroot juice a bit) and Pau D’Arco tea.

Have a rare cheat meal sometimes in fish and chips (Londoner you see) but it is rare - I wouldn’t even say monthly. No caffeine, sometimes coconut water but that’s it.

I’m not sure if diet has helped hugely or not to be honest, but I’m a bodybuilder of old (pre PFS anyway) so I’m used to quite regimented eating. I just think gluten free paleo anti-candida a bit and guided by that really. The ghee is cheap enough and Ozeph uses it, seems fair enough to incorporate.

Oh and I’ll do an occasional 24-48 hour fast. About every month-6 weeks.

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#68

Jin, which supplements and probiotics do you think most improved your libido and erection?

#69

Hi dae1. I’m not sure any did enormously really, sorry. Viagra and cialis definitely help, that’s about it.

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