You are a hypocrit. So am i though.
Joertz
Which Supplement exactly has helped you to regain Deep Sleep?
If your looking for deep sleep you donāt need to look any further than Phenibut.
UK,
I didnāt tolerate Phenibut well. It was a very weird feeling while I have taken it. Therefore it is not for me.
I have been taking so many things itās hard to know exactly and I was only sleeping deep temporarily and effects wore off, like with everything else. After the deep sleep I woke up completely cured for a day. I want to pursue the sleep angle. I have an appointment with a sleep specialist on Thursday. Stay tuned for an update
I was inspired by JNās story and noticed that he too had had some luck with doing a detox for heavy metals. I decided to try again with heavy metal detox, but this time, a different program because the stuff my neurotransmitter doc gave me was expensive and hard to take. I bought renew life heavy metal cleanse 30 day program from the local health food store.
I took a dose last night and already Iām starting to feel better. Damn near perfect REM sleep and as I am typing this I am getting my moods back. I woke up sweaty and stinky, smelling like a man should and the blank space, the emotional void, in my head is gone. I think Iām going to continue updating my story with how Iām doing with this, or maybe even start a new thread on this topic.
Thatās fantastic, Joetz. I would suggest this topic is deserving of its own thread, particularly if others take a shot at it.
Iām looking forward to following your progress.
Joetz,
Sounds very good. Can you Tell me what you have taken exactly. I am from Germany and i would like to order it as well.
If you donāt want to wait and see how Iām doing and want to jump in and try something try buying the renew life heavy metal cleanse 30 day program. Thatās what I am using now but I am only on my 2nd (and 1/2) day
When I pee it smells absolutely disgusting, like melted plastic, but it seems to be working. I feel a lot better and am looking forward to progressing further
thank you joetz.
I think I will order it soon.
I will also keep you updated of my situation.
Joetz,
Have you ever posted your base line neurotransmitter levels? Iād like to see if others have similar patterns:
Low Norepinephrine
Low Epinephrine
Low GABA
Low Serotonin
Everything else is with in normal range.
Droit, did the doctor that gave you those tests suggest any means of boosting the readings?
Droit -
What method was used to measure your neurotransmitter levels? Blood/urinalysis isnāt accurate because levels in these fluids wonāt match levels inside the blood brain barrier where concentrations are highest and neurotransmitters are most active. Iād also be curious to know how the ānormal rangeā was determined. To the best of my (and my neurologistās) knowledge, there arenāt any reliable ways to test neurotransmitter levels.
Iām not implying the neurotransmitter approach is invalid in any way, as I believe it is extremely pertinent. However, when I was at my worst, I spent some money that I wish I had now one some false hopes in psuedoscience.
Take care,
Former
UK20,
The method for boosting the readings is typical and uninteresting:
3 Tyrosines/day
2 5-HTP (one at 200 mg in the morning and the an afternoon dose of 50 mg).
I think what is more interesting is specifically the low Norepinephrine and Epinephrine but not dopamine. Norepinephrine and Epinephrine are manufactured by the adrenals. This data coupled by my low saliva cortisol values suggests destroyed adrenals.
Iād be interested in seeing the patterns from others.
Former,
Youāre right urinalysis is controversial. Nora Gedgaudas talks about it here:
primalbody-primalmind.com/?p=366
But lets be honest, the results mirror the symptoms.
I have wanted send this to joetz as a PMā¦but thought it would help in the discussion ā¦so posting here
I have read your thread through the whole
It looks similar to the recovery thread posted by the user āletsconvenienceā
He got cured just by raising his dopamine.and after that coupled by naturopathy(he has got too much copper in his liver and braināhence the brain fog)
I believe we all will get the answer to this problem by following a similar pattern
After reading the book āthe edge effectā i am more than certain it is the deficiency of all the neurotransmitters that is causing our problem.If you get a chance please read the book
In the book it has been mentioned that severe dopamine deficiency will cause
ācirrhosis of the liverā,āmultiple endocrine disorderā ā the state which we are in right now
thyroid and adrenals are part of the endrocrine system
I,myself have been on naturopathy treatment(hair mineral analysis from holistic-back-relief.com) since march of this year.
My results showed me i have
- toxic minerals like aluminum,arsenic,cadmium,lead
- adrenal fatigue
- hypo thyroid
- impaired digestion
- impaired immune system
- liver & kidney stress
It has really been a pain swallowing close to 30 mineral and vitamin tablets everyday prescribed to me,but it was nothing compared to the hell i am in
I have not been cured through,but i have been feeling a little better on the treatment.sleeping better,thinking a little better,have a good energy(nothing compared to pre-propecia ā¦ but a lot better)
my naturopathy treatment protocol is basically for the stabilizing my āadrenal-fatigueā,āgetting toxins out of my bodyā,āmy thyroid disorderā and āgetting my immune system upā
The hair mineral analysis costed me like $150 ,and like $500 for supplementsā¦just in case you want to know
hey joetzā
could you please go through the naturopathy route to get rid of the toxins off you body and stabilizing your thyroid and adrenals and then go-on getting your neurotransmitters in order
Hope this cures us allā¦
I will, I am convinced weāre NOT sick because of hormones. Iāve gone down the route of letting endocrinologists fiddle with hormones and it never got me anywhere. The best gains are from detox and neurotransmitter therapy, but the neurotransmitters wonāt work right if you have any degree of mercury poisoning because the mercury interferes with the neurotransmitters
Iāll keep the updates coming, but itās going to take time. Iāve got about 10 more days to go on the detox
Joetz,
Can you confirm you tested low in dopamine? I donāt see that in my results - Just low epi/norepi. However the PFS symptoms do mimic low excitatory dopamine.
Dopamine functions as both an excitatory and inhibitory neurotransmitter (depending on the dopaminergic receptor site it binds to). Normal dopamine, but with PFS symptoms, suggests that dopamine may be concentrating on itās inhibitory roles and less so on excitatory roles such as focus and memory.
Iām more interested in low adrenal function than heavy metals - frankly thereās probably a lot of mercury in the population now given the high amounts of sushi we eat.
Interestingly warbler reported the same pattern of neurotransmitter levels here:
But with high cortisol and high dhea which is what Dr. Wilson and Dr. Lam say is the first stage of adrenal fatigue.
drlam.com/articles/adrenal_fatigue.asp?page=2
I wonder if the ācrashā is when you hit stage III?
Unfortunately I have no idea where my levels are because the doctor never offered to show me the results of the urine test and I never asked him.
Adrenal function and metals go hand in hand because your adrenal function is going to suck if you have toxic levels of certain metals in your body, especially copper