Is Neurotransmitter therapy the key to recovery?

Therapeutic Efforts Pharmaceutical
#81

Guys I am recovering and I don’t understand it. I wish I knew exactly what is going on in my body so I could explain it better but I will try my best. First I will describe what is happening and we will delve into the hows and whys.

This past week has been quite an experience. I was sitting in my office starting at my computer screen and crappy pop music suddenly entered my head.

Can’t read my, can’t read my
No he can’t read my poker face
(She’s got to love nobody)
Can’t read my, can’t read my
No he can’t read my poker face
(She’s got to love nobody)

WTF is going on? We can’t enjoy music?!?! Why is there music in my head? Next thing I know I am inexplicably aroused for 30 minutes, but it is a low level of arousal. Then the music comes back in my mind, then I am flat again and everything is gone.

The next day another change happens. Someone in the office mentions going to lunch and all of a sudden my mouth produces a lot of saliva. Again, I am surprised. My mind is EXCITED. Not arousal this time, but my mouth is watering in anticipation of eating. I didn’t realize it but this is something I lost years ago. I go eat as as I’m walking to my car, the pop music comes into my head again. I come back from lunch and start to finish my day. A coworker stops me in the hallway and says to me, “I can’t help but notice, but you seem so happy, nice to see you smiling, you are so happy-go-lucky…I wish i knew your secret.” I just shrugged it off, but then walking past a mirror I realized I did have a cheshire cat grin on my face. I was happy, no idea really why though. I would be even happier if I knew what else was coming later that week!

I noticed over the next few days I was getting the euphoria, the happy feelings, the turned on feelings, the music, humming various pop songs in my head, but other things were also changing. My body temperature was all over the place. Up, down, up, down, I was sweating one minute then fine the other. I went out to check the thermostat. Same temperature it is always set at since I have been working there for a year. I turned on this massive industrial fan someone left in the office and let the air blow behind me. I took the time to look up mercury poisoning because I really started to suspect that the heavy metal detox I was doing could be helping.

I’ve learned that mercury poisoning can cause depression, timidity, rage, Phobias, anxiety, lowered libido, indecisiveness, lack of self confidence, mood swings, brain fog, depression, vision difficulties, etc. Sound familiar? It gets even more interesting.

I know MEW is going to be pissed as hell at me for going here, but I’m going to risk it.

Mercury acts as an antibiotic, and, like medicinal antibiotics, it kills the friendly bacteria which help control yeast overgrowth. This could explain why solonjk has been feeling so much better on antibiotics and prostate drenching in one of the other threads.

Replacement reactions, also called fight for site, occur when mercury grabs the biological spaces which should be filled by necessary minerals. Symptoms that can be caused by a deficiency of minerals displaced by mercury include:

Magnesium: irregular heartbeat, receding gums
Iron: anemia
Copper: anemia, thyroid dysfunction, impaired digestion
Zinc: anorexia nervosa, loss of taste and smell, loss of appetite, low libido, PMS
Iodine: thyroid dysfunction

Wow, isn’t that interesting? How many of us have felt better taking magnesium? There must be a ton of magnesium threads here. How many of us are on PERIOMED rinse because our gums are shot to hell? I know I am. How many of us have felt better taking iodoral, to supplement iodine? I have!

Mercury is what opens the door to all kinds of undesirables coming in. Mercury inhibits the effects of certain neurotransmitters:

Dopamine: controls pain, well-being
Serotonin: relaxation, sleep, well-being
Adrenaline: energy and stamina
Noradrenaline, melatonin: sleep cycles

Again, this is sounding a lot like PFS! The coincidences are uncanny. Inhibition of these neurotransmitters by mercury can account in part for the feelings of depression and loss of motivation.

I want you guys to all take the time to read this link here:
evenbetterhealth.com/heavy-metal-poisoning-mercury.php

It where I got a lot of my info for this post. I thought this doctor was a crazy screwball for suggesting mercury poisoning but the more I investigate this the more astonished I am at the parallels. The best part is that the detox products are cheap and available. We could all try these products for a week and see if we all make the same huge gains. I felt better in less than 5 days.

The question is how could propecia created an environment where I could have gotten heavy metals poisoning? Is there something in finasteride that can exacerbate the toxicity of mercury?

All I know is that I am getting better. I’m typing this right now because I woke up from an awful NIGHTMARE. That’s right, a bad dream! How long has it been since we can dream? I can’t believe how much better I’m doing.

#82

Hahahaha. This made me laugh so much. What a song to choose!

Joetz, i am very glad to hear that you are feeling better but it really hasn’t been long. You should give it some more time before getting too excited. I am only saying this because i am constantly let down.

Why don’t you list the supplements? maybe some of the guys on here can go on ebay or iherb, buy them and give them a shot.

#83

The Anglo-American alliance has defeated many enemies in the past, and we will defeat this finasteride syndrome together lol

You are right, I might be getting too excited, and only when more people try this formula I am on and get results will we know for sure if this works

The first product is Bio En’R-Gy C and it’s available at longevityplus
It taste freaking disgusting, but it’s a small price to pay for the results I get. Just follow the directions on the label and dissolve a couple of teaspoons in some water and drink it.

The other product is 30 Capsules of “Zeo Gold”, also available at longevityplus
I know the instructions say you are supposed to unscrew the capsule and drain it into water and drink it, but I can’t do it, it tastes way too disgusting, but they claim better benefits this way. The doc also instructed me to take it that way. I just swallow the capsule with the Bio En’R-Gy C drink in the morning.

Finally the last product is “Lipoic Acid”, made by a company called ortho molecular products. I take a capsule of this every morning also with the Bio En’R-Gy C drink

My body feels like it’s changing, I am waking up smelling really sweaty and stinky, sleeping much better too. I hope other people can replicate my results.

#84

I was a little reluctant to list the heavy metal detox stuff I was taking because I am also taking a few other things at the same time, including the neurotransmitter stuff. This very same dose of amino acids I am on now, however, is the same dose I was taking in 2010 when I abruptly had to take a break and it didn’t do squat in November of 2010, so I am really leaning toward the detox as what has helped me. It is soon though and I have only been working on this for 3 weeks. I guess we’ll see if progress continues. I’ll keep updating everyone.

#85

If you really want to chelate mercury and other heavy metals you should probably better use DMSA, then DSMA+ALA and use Andy Cutler’s protocol (google it). Try vrp.com for DMSA.
you could also use MSM, and zeolite seperately for cheaper (I get my MSM from Iherb, also chlorella which is a supposed to be some kind of natural chelator in addition to its great nutritional properties. They also have zeolite for cheap, in caps and powder : “zeoforce”)

#86

PFS is not autism, but the below paper says high mercury levels correlate with high testosterone levels - we know fin raises testosterone by suppressing its conversion to DHT.

medical-hypotheses.com/article/S0306-9877(0400615-2/abstract

A possible mercury toxicity relationship to PFS hypothesis would be: Fin raises testosterone, which causes the body to hold on to mercury (from fillings or sushi or whatever source), leading to mercury toxicity and PFS.

It would be good to dig up the citation around the line ‘In considering mercury toxicity, it has previously been shown that testosterone significantly potentates mercury toxicity.’

#87

I have some not so great news to report. I crashed again yesterday and was too pissed off about my situation to post anything. I’m no sure exactly what is going on in my body, but can only really report on how I am feeling.

As you all know, I have been on a protocol that consists of taking various amino acids and I am also doing a heavy metal detox at the same time. This is the current program I am on:

8:00 am: 2 neurorepletes, 2 tyrosinerepletes, 2 cysrepletes, 1 d5 macuna

Noon: 2 tyrosinerepletes, 2 cysrepletes

4:00 pm: 2 neurorepletes, 2 tyrosinerepletes, 2 cysrepletes, 1 d5 macuna

This is the same program I did back in November of 2010 and the only thing different I am doing is taking a detox at the same time. I was sure it was the detox that was making me feel good because when I was on this dosage of neurotransmitters before it did nothing for me, but, when I was combining things with the detox I felt better and better every day and on Friday night I felt like a god.

Then on saturday I ran out of pills in my tyrosine jar. Rather than take all the others and skip the tyrosine, I just stopped taking the all of them until I could get some more pills. Unfortunately because it’s 4th of July weekend, I can’t get my hands on the pills until tuesday. Perhaps the shock of stopping through off my neurotransmitters to the point where I crashed myself. I really don’t know

So here is my plan to get back on track. On Tuesday I will pick up some more tyrosine and get back on a program. When I go in on Tuesday, it is very likely that we’ll have the results from my latest urine test. Using those results we are going to construct a new program together to fine tune the dosage.

Even though I feel crappy again, I have learned a few things from this experience:

[Size=4]Lesson #1[/size]

This condition is reversible and it is reversible long term. I was feeling pretty good for a week, amazing for another week, and then like superman for the last 1/2 a week or so. Don’t believe this “permanent damage” stuff. We my be damaged, but we can be fixed!

[Size=4]Lesson #2[/size]

This method, this protocol I am on seems to work and has the potential of being a legitimate cure. If I hadn’t run out of tyrosine and thrown my neurotransmitters into a tailspin I could very well be entering in an amazing 4th week of happiness. I’m looking forward to continuing to update the thread based on my experiences and hope to have more good news in the future

#88

On monday I got my new jar of tyrosine and neuroreplete and am continuing my program. After temporarily stopping the therapy this weekend I had a really bad time and basically came crashing down to earth. However, since monday I have been gradually improving little by little. It takes five days to build up in the system so tomorrow will be day 5 and it should be even better. Then on the next Thursday I’ll be taking a urine test. Based on the results of the urine test things will be fine tuned once again. I should have already been in the fine tuning stage, but my last urine test got corrupted and I need to do it again.

So I now believe that the detox wasn’t really the driving force behind my progress, I believe it’s the amino acids. Before I ran out of amino acid pills I was at maybe 75% recovered. Then I went down to zero when I ran out of pills. Once I got back on the program I picked up 10% gains each day to the point where I am about 50% recovered as I type this.

So riddle me this batman, why is it working now when the very same amino acid dosage didn’t do much for me in november of 2010?

My theory is that something is different this time. I thought it was the detox, but now I am thinking it could be something else, perhaps the royal jelly? Royal jelly has balanced out all my hormones. When I was on the amino acids last time I had the T levels of a 90 year old, so maybe without the right hormone levels you will feel like crap no matter what your neurotransmitters are set to.

My goal is to get better for myself, but I also want you guys to be able to replicate the results I have been having as well so we can all benefit. PFS is a horrible condition and a horrible way to live. My problem is that I’ve been fighting this thing tooth and nail for a long time with everything but the kitchen sink so I don’t always know what to attribute each benefit to.

#89

Joetz,

Does your doctor have a plan for weening you off the amino acids or moving you to some sort of cycle/maintenance phase once you’re dialed?

It seems like this protocol is really helping, but from your crash it seems you’ll dependent.

#90

Hi Joetz,

Almost a month has passed. How are you doing now on this regime?

#91

I wish I had something positive I could tell you guys. My last urine just dictated that I change things up a bit so they added 2 neurorepletes to the morning and noon doses and 4 neurorepletes extras to the night time dose. I still could not get back to that amazing place I was at. At this point I don’t know what to do next. The treatment is expensive as hell and I get impatient and need to see some kind of sustainable results from something if I am going to keep on keeping on with something.

Of all the things I’ve tried, this has had the best results but they are always short lived.

One thing I found interesting is that the days where I felt super human I was getting full REM sleep. It was really cool to feel myself, for the first time in years, drifting into that amazing deep sleep and waking up feeling so refreshed. I really thing the sleep disturbances might be worth looking into so I booked an appointment with a sleep specialist.

For now I am giving this stuff a rest. It’s just too time consuming and expensive and I’m not getting the long term results I need to satisfy me and encourage me to keep going

#92

I really need to get myself to a sleep specialist, this is when the havoc starts.

#93

Sleep issues are a consequence of pfs, not a cause. In particular, they are likely to be a cause of the hormonal imbalance associated with pfs because, if you manage your cortisol/thyroid balance, they will get better.

#94

Sleep problems are most likely to do with the neurosteroids fin inhibited.

#95

While on fin, maybe. But years after quitting, is fin still inhibiting these neurosteroids? Nope. Exactly in the same way that DHT production is not inhibited anymore. So, the cause of sleep problems must be different.

#96

I am trying to think of what could have possibly caused that miracle where I had such a strong recovery and I think maybe there was something about that Bio En’R-Gy C
I just looked at the label and it’s a whopping 6666% of the recommended daily allowance for vitamin C. I don’t know if it’s what helped me, because I was taking too many things at the same time.

There is a theory here that we have issues with the immunity system and maybe the strong vitamin C boost helped there.

I’ve been trying to take things in isolation to try and figure out what works for me. I am hoping I can figure this thing out soon.

#97

Some of us are left with damaged pathways/neurosteriod dependent parts of the brain.
Get it? People who dont take finasteride dont have these problems, people who do, do.

For example :

Tetrahydrodeoxycorticosterone (3α,21-dihydroxy-5α-pregnan-20-one; THDOC), or more preferred allotetrahydroxycorticosterone, is an endogenous neurosteroid.[1] It is synthesized from the adrenal hormone deoxycorticosterone by the action of two enzymes, 5α-reductase and 3α-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase.[2] THDOC has sedative, anxiolytic and anticonvulsant effect.[3] [4] Changes in the normal levels of this steroid particularly during pregnancy and menstruation may be involved in some types of epilepsy (catamenial epilepsy),[5] as well as stress, anxiety and depression

Now it may be just a coincidence but arent these very common complaints on propeciahelp.

I wish i was more open to the facts when i first come to the forum, the drug has done this to us, nothing else. It is poision and we are suffering the long lasting effects of putting it in our bodies.

#98

No, I don’ get it. What do you exactly mean with “damaged” parts of the brain? Is it neurological damage? How can most pfs people recover from neurological damage (most recover from mental sides)? How come that I’m treating my brain fog and anxiety with high doses (>500 mg/day) of transdermal pregnenolone?

No. Other people (men and women) who never took finasteride suffer from brain fog.

#99

Cells that are reliant on specific neurosteriods and dihydrotestosterone.
Neurogenesis which production is aided by allopregnenolone.

I dont believe you about pregnonolone, it made me far worse.

#100

Why didn’t you report it before? Did it make you worse mentally? Personally, it made me better mentally but worse sexually.

PS: you should not get fixated on a doubtful theory just because you choose to focus on ONLY your experience while willingly dismissing other people’s experience.