oh, you would obviously want to reduce your physical activity during the fast. responsible fasting should spare your muscle tissue. also, you can make it past 12pm. trust me.
cdnuts, what did you eat for carb backloading? the internet says basically anything goes, but that doesn’t seem very reasonable to me… I have started eating lots of white rice and sushi as my backload options.
I eat clean. No surprise there. So rice, potatoes, quinoa, etc. I also eat some gluten free products such as gluten free waffles and corn pasta. Those last two supply a really high GI hit in the system because of how and what they’re made of. Fantastic for backloading.
Just be sure not to over do it. You can tell when you hit the sweet spot carb wise when you wake up lean and tight. If you wake up bloated and flabby you’re over indulging the carbs. If that’s the case, increase your activity or decrease your back loads.
Hey CDNuts thank you so much for coming back to let us know about your recovery.
I have read this board for a few years and your posts have always inspired me.
Quick Question. I think i remember reading that you suffered pretty badly with lack of emotions / Anhedonia? Are you fully fixed in that regard and can feel and experience emotions and life as it used to be? If so what would you say helped most to fix that. Would it be the protocol mentioned in your recovery post?
For me this is still the biggest problem whereas in other areas i am doing fairly well, and i am desperate to get my feelings and zest for life back to how it was.
Cheers and well done on your recovery.
Hey CDNUTS!
Congratulations brother! I just found this thread and I can’t tell you how happy I am for you.
I was hoping you could clear up something for me
You mention you are doing the DHT /Androhard cycles for 6 weeks followed by a PCT of the Test Recovery Stack by PP and that you did it a few times.
You also mention that you are doing the items in the “Boost Your Low Testosterone” Page.
Well I downloaded their E-Book and read every page on the website and am familiar with the A-Hard and TRS by PP.
There are a ton of different supplements mentioned on the Boost Your Low Test page - namely - ATP, Ester-C, Selenium, K2, D3 and then also they mention cycling 7 different natural testosterone boosters - one different one each day which are tribulus, Goat weed, Tongkat, etc. They also tell to dip your testicles in ice and paint them with idodine.
So this is a TON of different things to do - which is fine - but could you outline kinda how YOU approached this clusterfuck of information .
For example - How did you do the DHT / PCT vs the 7 Test boosters? did you do the test boosters the whole time or only during the PCT? Or only during the DHT? Did you take the ATP and Selenium etc the whole time or only for the PCT … etc?
Im just trying to figure out how to approach it and lay out somewhat of a system
Any light you can shine on how you handled it would be epic man
Thanks so much my dude!!! and congrats again
I had mentioned this already. Cycle, PCT, Testboosters. Cycle, PCT, testboosters. Over and over again. Run your cycle = 6 weeks. Do your PCT = 4wks. Run Test Boosters = 6 wks. Start over and cycle again.
All the while you are eating a clean Paleo diet and carb loading. Not to mention exercising consistently.
I didn’t testicle paint, but I would have if it had come out when I was healing. You would do the testicle painting during your test booster phase and PCT only.
It’s fixed. I’m healed. I can’t attribute one thing or another in regards to healing that part. Know this…you have to treat your body as a whole organism that it is. We are not machines and you can’t fix one part over the other. Everything is connected. Fix your self and all will fall into place. Follow the program. Make it your way of life.
Hi cdnuts,
I have been following a regimen almost identical to yours with a few minor differences and one pointed difference that may or may not be just a minor difference, using prohormones and t-boosters. That is to say, I am following a paleo diet, sprinting 2-3 times per week, training with heavy weights three times a week, and no prohormones or t-boosters. As a matter of fact, I did order some and used it (res100) for a few days only to notice a drop in progress so I have shelved them at this point. I only started sprinting the last two months as my body was just too weak before then to take up sprinting. I avoid alcohol (except on a very rare occasion and only then just a glass of red wine), caffeine, tobacco, and any other toxin. I started this regimen about a year ago. A year ago I was probably at my worst point in this mess. I couldn’t sleep much, had zero libido, no erections, couldn’t lose weight, fatigue, etc… Today I have erections pretty much every morning although not the same strength as normal (pre-finasteride), libido has gone up, got rid of a lot of fat and put on good muscle. My sleep is also much much better. I know you’ve mentioned that using these supplements can be a ‘can of worms’ and in my case everytime I use them I just seem to feel worse off, but I know of one other person who recovered in a time span of about three years doing everything you outlined with the exception of taking any kind of supplement or drug. Can you give me an approximate timeline of how you progressed? In other words, what changes did you notice after say 6 months, a year, two years, of being on this regimen? How long in total did it take to go back to normal from the time you started the regimen? A couple of years? A few years? I believe now that I may have a good shot of recovery if I simply continue this regimen for perhaps another year or two, not exactly sure, but if you could offer us some information on how long these changes took to take effect I think it would certainly give me a psychological boost.
If you’re noticing positive changes then I would say stay the course. You’ve made it a part of your life now and you are reaping the rewards that it brings. My guess is that if you felt like shit from the Res100 it dropped your estrogen too much. Some people are sensitive to it that way. It works almost too good for them…and you.
I started experimenting with things right after I stopped in 07. I wouldn’t say I was healed until about 2012. Who knows what the timeline would have been should I have stumbled onto this regimen sooner. I’m sure it would have been shorter then five years. Thing is, it was always a work in progress.
I think you’re doing fantastic in the time you have been doing it and I would just keep doing what you’re doing. In another year, after sleeping deeper and getting more refreshed, your exericise will become increasingly more intense. Because of this you will reap the rewards that come with vigorous physical activity…activity you just can’t do in the beginning because you’re so wiped out. Health has to build…vitality has to increase, cells need to regenerate and reprogram. It does this SLOWLY, but surely should you do the right things consistently, which you have been doing.
If you have’t tried it yet, add in carb backloading. I think you will be pleasantly surprised at the hormonal response.
Keep it up. You’ll get there.
And what about the 2 week water-fast?? Imo you can’t let that out. I did a 10 day water fast and only after that I was able to tolerate fishoil and now everything is getting better and better. I also had negative effects from some t-boosters before the fast (tribulus, maca …) and I will try them again this week and see what happens. Fingers crossed …
Of course a fast would make everything happen quicker and smoother. The thing is, for him, If he’s built himself up over the past year, fasting would surely knock him down a peg or two. IMO, this is a good thing because it clears the way to move forward less encumbered. This is why it’s always better to fast FIRST, then start the program.
If he fasts, he will lose muscle and he’ll certainly detox which is unpleasant. Personally I would always suggest a fast regardless of where you are in your healing. If you haven’t done one, you should. If not a water fast, at least a juice feast.
One more thing I forgot to mention. Biz…as you increase in vitality, you’re going to want to bring the sprints down to two times a week, MAX. I recommend more in the beginning because when guys first start, they aren’t in any kind of shape to really go all out with their sprints. Or maybe they are going all out, but because they are so beat down, their output really isn’t anything too strenuous. It may feel like it is, but it’s not.
When you become healthier and more fit, your all out sprinting is going to really tax your CNS, which is what you want it to do. You just don’t want to burn it out. So when your sprints get to the point where you’re really cranking them out and you get that burst of endorphins and hormones, bring them down to once every three to four days. You don’t want to blast your CNS any more then this, especially if you’re really giving it your all.
Cdnuts,
How often were you doing the carb backloading? Ie: once a week, twice a week etc. and how long were you doing pure paleo before you started carb back loading? And how was your progress when you started ? Had you already started to recover (could you get it up) at the point you started carb back loading ?
Thanks!!
Thanks cdnuts for reaffirming what I sort of knew to be true all along, that this takes a really long time and results come about slowly. In the first few months of this regimen, it was very hard getting used to the paleo diet although after a while I actually preferred it to my previous dieting habits. In the beginning, everyday I would workout was a struggle. I would have virtually no desire to go each day I had to but still persevered. Just recently, I have started to experience the same sort of sensations working out, albeit briefly, as I did when I was normal, that is, I started feeling the intense lactic acid burn instead of the numb weakness and light-headedness I have been feeling when lifting weights during this whole ordeal. Spontaneous erections have started to occur again, albeit still rare. I tried reincorporating butter (for saturated fat) and have had no problems, although yogurt still seems to pose a problem I think as far as dairy consumption goes so I will lay off of all dairy with the exception of butter until I fully recover. After about 7-8 months on the program, body odor, some oiliness of the skin, and faster body hair growth started occurring. As I mentioned before, I started with just weight lifting, no sprinting. Then when I got into good enough shape I started p90x and did this for about 1.5 cycles (every program cycle lasts about three months). Now I’ve switched back to heavier weights and sprinting as the weight lifting in p90x just didn’t seem like it was enough stimulation, although I have kept certain elements of the program like the plyometrics and abs workouts. Like you said, its a work in progress.
I was recovered when I started back loading. But the effect on hormones is noticeable and significant. It can only help add muscle and fuel hormone production. Had it become available while I was healing I certainly would have included it.
I carb backload almost everynight. I do small backloads on non work out days and larger ones on the days I’m going to exert myself.
Hi cdnuts,
Whats the minimum time you would recommend fasting for ?
I was only able to make it to 4 days.
Cool thanks for the feedback.
So the only carbs you were eating for X amount of time up until you recovered was from fruits and veggies… I will stick with that and look forward to recovering and then being able to indulge in other carbs.
I’d recommend two weeks for both water fasting and juice feasting.
I did a juice fast before I did a water fast and I can tell you there is a world of difference between a water fast and a juice fast. I felt better after 2 days of a water fast than I did doing 4 days of a juice fast. If you drink liquids the body will just use that as a food source. I think you can only get real benefits from a water fast.
Hello members,
I dont understand the difference between “testosteron booster” and “pocst cycle treatment (pct)”.
“Stacker T” for example acts as a testosterone booster via tribulus and other incredients. Isnt “pct” the same thing? A treatment to push the endogen testosterone production. Can someone help me to understand the difference? I think about acycle with proviron and stacker t. Is this an option?