@numbduck
I made some good improvements the last 4 months, I’m anticipating that in 4 months I won’t think about PFS anymore and in 1 year PFS will be history for me. Maybe this cheers you up …
I’m not taking any supplement or drug anymore, my recovery so far is completely natural. Besides my 3 fasting periods and regular meditation I’m using a yantra mat every evening before going to sleep (which accelerated the speed things got better even more).
Numbduck did you actually follow the cdnuts protocol?
Hi 5 alpha
I am getting my tribulus and tongkat from World Abs too. I guess it’s one of the best as I had such a good response to the tongkat. And it certainly should be good for the price I paid lol. I started tribulus yesterday and already I’m feeling more libido. I’m thinking of resisting sexual stuff to see if it helps? What do you think about that?
Unfortunately despite higher libido I still have a weird sensation of numbness in my dick. It stays with me all day really 
Hopefully if I keep cycling hormones and eating well it’s going to get better.
It’s amazing how negative people only want to cling to the negative. I told you I have zero numbness and full sexual and mental recovery with no lows in the condition. But focus on the negative stories it will serve you better
The science behind Cdnuts protocol is: Take a herb like the 7 he said and stimulate your Androgen Receptor. When this happens your whole body will function better and then your estrogen will be removed by your liver and you will get a better baseline. Then your body will be strong enough to run a DHT prohormone and this will expell a lot of estrogens and then you will do a PCT to restore your hormones and then testo-boosters to stimulate AR and get your body ready for more.
The same science you see in Light At The End protocol: Take tongkat ali or any other testo-booster you will make your body stimulate AR and then you will feel an UP, then you will apply progesterone cream that will remove excess estrogen and you will get a better baseline. After each cycle doing this you will get up, down, better baseline until you get cured. You can get cured by just taking herbs like tribulus, tongkat and others, but you will need more pills, more times to get cured, what these two protocols do is that they will accelerate your recovery by decreasing excess estrogen faster. One thing that makes progesterone cream works even better is low cortisol. I don’t know if paleo diet would help in this department, this is one thing that we should try to know and tell the others.
Other things in common with these two protocols: Exercise (some did heavy, others did light weight lifting), paleo diet. Recovery coming in waves/ups and downs with better baseline each time.
One thing people should pay attention: Sometimes tribulus or other herb will work on your body and sometimes will not. What we should do is a research to know how to make them always working after each cycle. I mean, Light did 2 weeks on cycle and 4 days as a rest and then restart. I think we should get united on how to make them work, if we should follow a paleo diet, if we should avoid all kind of sugars (including fruits, including from lactose). Can somebody ask anything to Cdnuts? I try to talk to him but I don’t know if he saw my messages.
If you check my signature you will see that I put the name of people who got cured by doing what I’m telling you.
I’m feeling better by doing this I just want to be sure that all the time I take a herb it will work, so I can apply progesterone cream or do a DHT cycle.
One thing you guys should stop and I mean for good. Stop marijuana, it is one herb just like saw palmetto its good for some people and bad for others, I notice everytime I smoke weed I get worse and stay worse this is the only thing that its like propecia to me. Other drugs I don’t know if they are so bad I would say ecstasy and MDMA and other stuffs like that because I saw some guys getting “pfs” from it. I mean, stop all kind of drugs, you will not need any of these things when you get cured.
Resistance training is a MUST. Burn fat and build muscle. As far as I can tell muscle is essentially proportional to T. Muscle is an endocryn organ and up regulates T. Fat on the other hand aromatizes testosterone into estrogen. More fat = more estro. More muscle = more testo. I have a friend who’s an MMA guy and a real health nut (he spends 4 hours a day studying this stuff, books, podcasts, you name it) and he says it all boils down to that.
Does anyone know if its possible to get high quality DHT pro hormones ordered for us? For example, after the study is published, could Dr. Bhasin order DHT pro hormone from a compound pharmacy so that we could try it? This may be better than the muscle supplements sold over the internet (in terms of quality).
Paleo diet for women with estrogen dominance.
paleoforwomen.com/the-estrogen-d … -about-it/
I think everyone should read this thread:
mindandmuscle.net/forum/2502 … -reductase
And has anyone tried this?
livestrong.com/article/15186 … -of-6-oxo/ (the dangers are essentially the effects of DHT)
Hi Nopecia,
“I am getting my tribulus and tongkat from World Abs too. I guess it’s one of the best as I had such a good response to the tongkat. And it certainly should be good for the price I paid lol.”
I know both the Trib and Tongkat from worldabs are crazy expensive. But like you said you get what you pay for. It says award winning Tongkat on the bottle for a reason. lol
“I started tribulus yesterday and already I’m feeling more libido. I’m thinking of resisting sexual stuff to see if it helps? What do you think about that?”
I have never tried the resisting approach as I’m always wanting to test the latest thing I’m doing to know if its working. It seems that this is a tactic members on here have used. Can’t see how it could hurt things.
“Unfortunately despite higher libido I still have a weird sensation of numbness in my dick. It stays with me all day really”
Yea it sucks that we don’t respond to increasing our T levels. Hopefully the studies someday will tell us why or at least give us a better idea of why this is. The good news is that these herbs work for their intended purpose which is increasing out Natty T and improving our hormone levels. Taking natural herbs to give us that extra kick is a thousand times better than being on TRT when as far as our T levels are concerned most of just need that extra kick opposed to pumping their systems up with crazy amounts of hormones that will just crash their already bad off natty T levels even more. Of course when I’m saying all most of us need is an extra kick in our hormone levels I’m talking about how this is just so we can have normal healthy levels. I’m aware that having normal health levels does not solve a majority of our problems.
It’s clear when it comes to the natural Herb approach it’s all about quality of the herb and not letting you body grow a tolerance to them. If you can successfully not let your body grow a tolerance to a herb cycle that just includes Trib and Tongkat than that’s awesome. No need to have to purchase eight diff herbs which I’m doing now if that would work for you.
“Hopefully if I keep cycling hormones and eating well it’s going to get better.”
That seems to be what the small group of guys who claim recovery from this syndrome have done. Healthy natural approach over a extended period of time. Really the only risky part about any of what we are doing is the DHT prohormone business. But done correctly with proper PCT and natty T boosting herbs it seems the overall risk of ending up worse long term is pretty small.
If you have not already you should keep updating your status on the thread I made under natural diet and exercise called attempts at CD nuts protocol.
How many people have actually tried to increase 5 ar via androstenedione supplementation? T boosters may increase testosterone, but maybe its all becoming estrogen. Increasing androstenedione may be critical.
Guys, testo boosters like tribulus and tongkat ali DO NOT increase testosterone. You can see studies showing no androgens increasing and that’s great because we want The receptors back. That’s why people have great blood test Numbers and feel like shit. It’s like you have The fuel but you don’t have a car.
You can change The prohormone by taking progesterone cream. Cdnuts and light at the end protocol are The same thing. Great clean diet, paleo diet, exercise, testo boosters and progesterone or dht prohormone.
The diet is adopted to help The body expell estrogen and to make the boosters To work.
The testo-boosters are used to make your AR, 5AR start to work again. When they work You will feel less brain fog, more morning wood etc. Also your liver contains these receptors so your liver will be ready To remove estrogen that’s when The progesterone cream or dht prohormone will take place.
You will feel better because your AR, 5AR will work, then You will feel worse because they will stop working and then you will stop everything and feel a better baseline, when I say worse it’s worse comparing to your good response of The herbs not worse comparing To your baseline. You will get a better baseline because The progesterone or the dht prohormone will remove the estrogen (not blocking like AI does) and estrogen is a kind of 5AR inhibitor.
So when you take propecia You will loose 5AR then your body will acumulate estrogen, that’s why you get weight gain, gynecomastia, brain fog, no morning wood and some cases penis atrophy But guys everything is reversible. I no longer have shrinked penis. Sometimes I wake up with half wood. I was fucked by saw palmetto and got even worse by smoking weed and doing drugs. I even got similar to a pregnant woman with pot belly and gynecomastia. This is greatly disappearing.
One last tip. The more you feel The herbs The more progesterone or dht will be able To remove estrogen and The faster will be your recovery so If there is something we should look into is to make the herbs more effective.
brazilianguy, blz kra?
So you’re saying your gyno is going away? I read that gyno can usually only be gotten rid off with surgery?
What’s your protocol, did you lay it out in detail somewhere that you could link to? Or is it exactly the same as cdnuts and if no, what are the differences?
My main issues are gyno and libido/sensitivity… chato!! rs
Cheers!
Sup, CD!
Did you have problems like prostate pain, muscle twitches and swollen throat?
thanks and congratulations
Hi, guys. I’m not new to the forums, but this is my first post. It seemed as though everything that could be said has been said, but after reading this thread I wanted to toss in my two cents.
I think it’s great CD cured himself. However, why would we stray from the supervision of a doctor? I understand just as much as anyone here that it was a combination of ill-informed doctors, and unscrupulous pharmaceutical companies - along with our fear and vanity- that brought us here.
But we’ve already hurt ourselves enough because of poor decisions and mystery medicine. When I read your guys’ accounts it’s as if I’m reading a post written by someone who has been monitoring my experience with PFS; trust me when I say I more than understand the desperation.
However, if anyone here is seriously considering going vigilante concerning their treatment, heed caution. Though I’ve never spoken to you guys before I still feel that we are ALL brothers and need to support one another. Please, be careful guys… We obviously don’t want to harm our bodies any more than they already have been, and I never want to see another one of us take the final plunge into the darkness. And all because one of us took some random dude’s medical advice and got worse.
The only thing I’ve found that has made my life a little easier is Noofen. Sometimes the Klonopin isn’t enough, and I’ll take a little Noofen/Phenibut to make up for the gaps in the effectiveness of my medication.
BEWARE: If you are planning on using Noofen/Phenibut as an anti-anxiety supplement then checkout out noofen.com
They don’t sell Noofen or Phenibut, but they have a lot of excellent information based on REAL science. And that is the second of my two cents. I’ll be talking more as I’m not as ashamed as I used to be with regard to my condition. So, I hope to see all of you around.
The great advantage of the “cdnuts protocol” is the use of dht supplement androhard in order to stimulate the enzyme 5 alpha reductase. The secret to curing spf under the sexual point of view, in my opinion, is to recover the enzyme activity 5aR. But regain it specifically in penile tissue and the head of the penis. Without this not no way to recover the quality of erection in the same way it was before finasteride. So I ask: does anyone here have questioned the possibility of the use of dht supplement on the skin of the penis? Just clarify that I do not know how to speak English and that this question is being asked with the aid of third person.
I’m in a state of 90% healed right now. Check my thread for Details. Thanks to CDNUTS! Very happy right now.
Great to hear! Could you post a link?