Its disappointing that after almost 2 years since cdnuts posted his recovery. Nobody else has been able to replicate his success.
I believe the biggest factor in his recovery was probably luck.
I am about to take the natural test boosters. Should I do a PCT at the end? The thread is so long and I couldn’t find the respective post. As far as I know cdnuts did PCT only after the DHT-prohormone cycles. Can anyone clarify? Thanks.
Dudes, I’m new at this forum, but I have the same problem from you. 2 months on propecia 6 years ago. ED, low libido, insomnia, brain fog. I think we should follow cdnuts protocol EXACTLY as he did, because we don’t know the real mechanism that explains our disease, so he was very lucky to find a way out of this shit. However, there is a big issue: androhard is not being produced anymore, so we can’t reproduce cdnuts protocol exactly. And cdnuts said that androhard was really important to his recovery. I think we should talk to labs or research centers, so we can ask them to produce androhard again for us.
This thread IS very long. I am willing to try this protocol, but I need a clear explanation of what to do step-by-step. Does this exist somewhere?
The main thing I’m confused about is what his PCT plan was exactly and what could be used as an alternative for androhard.
Guys Androhard was simply a designer steroid. there is basically 1 molecular difference between androhard and anabolic steroids. they are clones of anabolics and work just as well but with worse sides.
up until about a year ago, you could get other designer steroids legally online and they are very powerful. in fact, the side effects I experienced on designer/porhormones where worse than real AAS.
anyways there is a DHT derivative, which is what andro hard is, H-drol made by Competitive Edge Labs. I used it back in 2011(funny about the same time I got on fin) for 4 weeks and gained a very dry grainy 12lb of muscle. very lean and very strong. go to amazon.com and type in Hdrol. if you can find the one from competitive edge I would do it in place of andro hard.
anyway, these designer steroids have side. four weeks in I had such bad back pump/pain in my lower back due to stressed kidney, I was getting chronic bloody noses and I had horrible headaches. I had a nurse check my BP while I was at work and low and behold it was 159/100. that was very very high for me. and I stopped taking it.
safer DHT derivatives would be masteron, Anavar, primobolin, winstrol. these are illegal AAS though. and Hdrol will certainly work in place of these if you can find it
Stomper, this is really interesting man. So, you’re saying instead of using androhard, we can just use masteron?
So, I wonder if an equivalent to CDnuts protocol would be something like:
6 weeks Masteron injection
3 weeks HCG/Nolvadex/Clomid
Fast
6 weeks Masteron injection
3 weeks HCG/Nolvadex/Clomid
Fast
I guess I don’t really understand his PCT plan. I’m not sure if it would be good to take HCG throughout the entire time, or if it’s good to go off of it, and on it. Still trying to wrap my head around an equivalent protocol.
His pct plan is the ultimate stack from wicked sups
Alternatives for androhard are
Alpha hard
Andro 300
Epi andro
masteron/mesterolone helps alot in high doses… clears ED. and if you have libido problems it will solve immediately
Hey 5a,
Can you clarify what you mean by this:
“His pct plan is the ultimate stack from wicked sups”
Are these different from Masteron?
Alpha hard
Andro 300
Epi andro
This is what CDNUTS used for his PCT:
wickedsupplements.com/produc … ate-stack/
Only thing is though he could the exact same products that make up the ultimate stack from a diff website.
But it’s no worries brcause it’s the same thing. (The ultimate stack from wicked supps) is the same thing that Cdnuts used but he got it from a diff website. The same website that sold Andro hard he got his pct from. That website is no longer Around. But no worries because the ultimate stack from wicked is the same thing.
And no those DHT prohormones I listed are not the same thing as masteron. Masteron is prescription DHT that would be illigal to have in the US with out a doctor giving it 2 u.
Dht prohormones that contain epiandrosterone are legal.
Dht prohormones convert to dhT in the body and are typically known to be worse for your health than prescription DhT .
Go read about pro hormones.
Go read about every DHT Prohormone I posted above.
Methylated prohormones certainly have the potential to cause damage. The DHT prohormones that we are using (epiandrosterone) are not methylated. Where did you read this about DHT prohormones being worse for you health than stanolone?
WHO here has been using EPI Androsterone unmethylated and HAS IT WORKED while having tried it? sustained?
I’m looking for two people to personally work with in regards to proper application of this regimen for the purpose of overcoming PFS. Myself, along with a partner from this site (English) who has also successfully recovered are in the process of building a website dedicated to this cause. The results of this coaching will be used as testimonials for the launch of the site, which is about 8-10 months out.
This is what is required for someone to be considered for one of these spots:
You have to have the necessary finances to buy ALL of the recommended supplements/vitamins and proper food for eating and for juicing.
You need to have a juicer and/or powerful blender
You need to be sober, if you’re not already. That means NO intoxicants of any kind during the entire time you’re being coached.
You need to be able to follow instructions.
If you’re picked, you are required to log out of Propeica help and NOT LOG BACK IN during the extent of your coaching. If this is a problem, don’t apply.
You need to be open minded and do EVERYTHING that is outlined in the program. Not 80%, not 99%…100% is what is needed of you.
Please include answers to the following questions:
How long did you take propecia for and how long have you been off the drug?
What are your current symptoms?
Have you played any sports or lifted weights prior to getting PFS? Explain?
Have you ever used steroids?
Did you have any problems or issues BEFORE taking propecia?
What is your highest level of education?
What do you do for work?
Please include a SHORT description (no more than 400 words) of why you feel your deserving of this opportunity and anything else you feel is important and want to include. For some of you guys who can’t seem to get it together, this is the opportunity of a lifetime. We are doing this for free for two guys because we are so confident of life changing results, we want to demonstrate what will be the gold package for sale to everyone once the site launches. If any of the rules are broken during the coaching period, you will be let go and replaced with someone else.
Please send answers to all questions and your 400 word response to Totalmaleoptimization@gmail.com
I WILL NOT BE ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS HERE OR TALKING ABOUT THE UP COMING PROJECT
I’m going to be sifting through these applications and will make a decision in the next couple of weeks. The spots are open until then and once we have our two applicants I will inform the forum through this post that the positions are closed. Until then, continue to send in applications.
Again, please send all application responses to Totalmaleoptimization@gmail.com
We wish you ALL continued success on your recoveries and look forward to assisting as many of you as possible once we’ve helped the first two and have proven the regimen on a larger scale.
I’m sorry, but anytime someone wants to “sell” people a regimen or protocol, alarm bells should be ringing. What exactly are your motivations here? Why should there be a “fee” for the knowledge you intend to share with others?
Meanwhile we have scientific studies in progress looking into Post-Finasteride Syndrome which need our continued participation and support, while the PFS Foundation, an official not for profit, needs our donations to fund future scientific research initiatives. Therefore, IMO these types of posts only serve to distract from the bigger picture and divert funds away from the PFS Foundation’s efforts.
Sorry, as much as I understand you’d like to help others, charging them for access to “protocols” or other such information is simply not right in my books and makes this whole thing highly dubious. If people want to follow juicing protocols and cleanses, there’s plenty of info on this site and others available for FREE. So if you really want to help people, why not just share your “protocol” with others so you have a better sample size? Why the need for people to pay?
Besides, you already have posted various protocols in the past… people can just dig through your post history if they want more details.
I understand where you’re coming from, so let me clarify a bit.
There is no fee for the information on the site. It’s ALL going to be free. EVERYTHING about the protocol I’ve put together over the years that has helped many, many people recover their lives will be there for the taking. It’s going to be a very indepth and very detailed step by step process on how to apply the regimen correctly. This site is being created because of the demand that was caused by this site AND because it is how I recovered my own life.
And you are correct… I’ve shared EVERYTHING that I’ve ever done on this site as I was doing it. I never held anything back. ALL of the information is ALREADY HERE. Yet despite this fact, I STILL have people reaching out to me from all over the world for help. I’ve said it myself more times than I can remember that all of the information is already written down.
Regardless of this fact, there are still people out there that need hand holding. That need to actually speak to someone despite all of the information being there for them. This “package” is for those people.
There is nothing dubious about trading time for money. That is what makes the world go around. They’re known as Jobs, or careers. People trade time for money all day long. If someone can’t take the information that is given to them and run with it, and need to actually have someone explain it to them, this takes up MY TIME. My time is worth money, as is everyone’s, albeit at different rates.
I can’t tell you how much of my time has been spent helping people in the past. And while it makes me feel good doing so, there comes a point where if you’re spending so much of your time doing a certain thing, you need to be compensated for it. I have to eat too you know.
I expect a very small percentage of visitors to the site to actually purchase this coaching package, but believe me, there will be people who do.
The new site is going to be very comprehensive and include EVERYTHING that is scattered through this site in bits and pieces all over the place. It’s going to make applying the regimen much easier then people find it now. I’d like to think it’s going to be so well put together that NO ONE is going to need to speak to me AT ALL. But passed experience has shown me that there will still be people, regardless of how well the information is presented, that need help.
So you see, I am GIVING the information out freely. I wouldn’t think of doing it any other way. But if you need one on one time and you need to actually speak to me, there will be a cost for that.
I also have to add that, this problem is not going to be fixed by medicine. it’s too comprehensive and intertwined with too many bodily functions and processes for modern medicine to “fix it” with a pill. Rather than waiting for something that is never going to happen, if people would have just started living correctly when they first started this trial, they would have no need for it because they would have been healed by now.
I understand this 100% , especially when you get back to normality.
You become aware of how valuable time is REALLY worth in today´s world.
When I got hit by pfs I was a selfish teenager and now I live my life like an adult and have a mature view and perspective about life. Working from 9 to 5 and paying bills, going out, eating like a normal person again (FINALLY), I mean normal life…
I can totally understand why cdnuts would charge for his time and personal coaching over skype, or telephone.
The bottom line is, IT CAN be done, IT HAS been done, and it can happen again. Nutrition is the way out, believe me when I say this.
Good luck for everybody out there.
Glad to see you’re doing better Brazil.
cdnuts - Mew set up this site to help people with pfs have a place to exchange information, support each other thru the tough times in their lives that pfs brings, to give our cause recognition in the scientific community. He has spent literally years of his life doing this to help us. He has paid for the computer servers, software, and Internet connections out of his own pocket. He has coordinated with the scientific community to set up the PFS Foundation to fund studies to find out what the hell happened to our bodies. Without him none of this would have happened. He has never asked for a dime from anyone.
If your time is worth money how about Mews? Have you ever offered to pay him for the hundreds of hours you have used this site? Have you ever even thanked him? You got better, well good for you, you are one of the lucky ones. You have God and Mew to thank for that.
Now you want to charge members of this site to help them? To sell them your diet, supplement and fasting tips that allegedly cured you? I know of no one on this site that has repeated your results. No thanks I will wait for the scientific studies to try to learn what has happened to me.