notlikemyself,
did you do everything what cdnuts did in the year and a half? I am asking because e.g. I cannot do the water fast since I have gallstones and fasting is counterproductive to gallstones. Where did you get the Androhard from? Unfortunately, it is no longer available. As an alternative I bought AlphaHard (which is supposed to be the closest alternative).
As far as the Brockley pills go you have to take one a week you will feel after a while but your body has too much estrogen that is when you take one of those pills
Eating pills that lower estrogen in the body will make your body crush and you will crash really bad and it will take some times 15 to 30 days to recover
So whatever estrogen decrease or you’re going to take you have to take it one time a week as time goes by you will notice that your body has too much estrogen and then it’s time for you to take the pill again
Does anyone know how old was cdnuts when he first started taking finasteride on 2003?
Just curious and comparing to my case. Thanks.
As far as I know he’s 37 now so that would make him 25 in 2003.
But I don’t know exactly how old he was when he started propecia. You are saying 2003 so I’m assuming you are right
Alpha hard or andro300 are the best options
Andro300 is a transdermal cream which is great sense it will be easier on the liver as its not going through he digestive system.
However andro300 contains only one of the two active ingredients that was in androhard. Alpha hard on the other hand contains both of the active Ingredients that was in androhard.
Users of alpha hard say its underdosed when compared to androhard.
I have some tubs of epi-andro hard to sell if you’re looking for a good pro-hormone? A lot of people have responded positively to it but it didn’t really help me out sexually, which is my only main side effect… a lot of people have reported progress on it though.
notlikemyself,
Did you go paleo for that entire year and a half? What did you eat for carb backloading? What was your workout regime? Did you drink alcohol? Would you say manipulating your hormones with androhard and AIs was more beneficial then the diet and exercise?
I just started getting serious about researching cdnuts methods. I have came to some conclusions:
First off, cdnuts has made it clear his methods our an all or nothing type of approach.you just don’t do some of what he did as doing so makes zero sense. For example:
Some users just try his herb/t-boostets cycling step. This is useless. All it’s doing is keeping your natural T levels on the higher end of the scale. If increasing our total/free T levels helped is than we would all get better on TRT.
Some users just simply take DHT and or a DHT prohormone. Again if the simple act of increasing DHT levels helped us than we would all get better off of increasing our DHT levels.
The key thing with cdnuts’s methods our that it’s a process:
Step 1-clean your body via fasting and or strict raw diet consisting of fruits, veggies and nuts. After researching ALL of cdnuts posts it’s clear he did a lot of “cleaning”. He’s done several water fasts. One 14 day water fast and two or three additional 21 day water fasts. He’s done at least one long extended juice feast going all the way up to forty something days in length. The point is you need to get clean.
Step 2- AFTER you are clean take DHT and or dht pro hormones to increase 5 ar activity. This can only be done by long term cycling of them after your body has been cleansed.
Step 3- proper pct to recover your endocrine system as much as possible after each DHT cycle.
Continuing with this process of events until you notice improvments.
Peoples attempts to just use one of the three major steps is more or less useless. The truth is not one person here has done every step. Not one person…
I will be the first. I have already completed my first 7 day fast. I’m almost recoveted from it and will stay on strict paleo diet until May 15th. At that point I will do a 14 day fast followed by a month of raw diet only. No meat. Paleo with out the meat. This is what cdnuts actually did. As of July I will be clean enough to take my first DHT prohormone cycle for six weeks. Followed by four weeks of pct combined with rotating herbs. This will be followed by four weeks of no pct but continuing to rotate herbs.
This is his method. This is what he did. None of this half ass bull shit. We can’t give his method a fair shot until we actually do the THE ENTIRE THING.
Step
I just read all of cdnuts posts (not only this thread… everything since he joined the forum). One thing I seem to be missing - this was from page 1 of this thread:
Where is that vitamin list?
Thanks,
Pomegranate
vitamin C
Vitamin D
Vitamin B complex
Mangnisum suppletment
Mineral complex
Fish oil. Every day at first. Than every other day.
Those are the vitamins he took during recovery.
That does not include his T boosting herbs that u need to cycle during each pct and after each pct .
Thanks 5 alpha. Not sure how I missed that - can you tell me where is his post about that?
That list that I came up with I gathered from this I’m cured thread. I just went through every post.
If it’s not dead on with the vitamin list he took im sure it’s very close.
He now recomends new T boosting hetbs for the T booster rotation.
He curruntly to this day cycles over twenty diff herbs in a 3 week cycle and says he feels better now than he did when he posted his recovery. I found a new website that he uses where he is helping three other PFS guys follow his methods.
Only prob is he makes it cleAr that he does not PH and most of the people on it. He also does not like thinking about this PFS stuff as it brings back bad memories. I have not had that much luck communicating with him about this on the new website he’s on for these reasons.
The good news is the majority of what he did is here… And I believe that Cdnuts was one of the only guys who had PFS really bad and who completly recovered. He says straight out he could not fuck it put on muscel. I believe you need to have both of those issues to truly suffer from this syndrome.
It’s all about getting your body clean through a water fast, juice fast or an extended fruits and veggie diet or a combination of all three of these things.
Cycling DHT prohormones.
Proper pct/ T boosting herb cycles to recover from DHT prohormone cycles.
It’s all three of these things done for an extended period of time. If you are serious about getting down with this you should join me on a new thread. We can put it under experimental treatments and make it just for the purpose of people who want to or are trying this.
You mentioned you have went through all of his threads on this website. I’m in the progress of doing the same. If you feel you have found any of his posts that are outside this thread please mention it here.
Actually just look for the new thread I’m going to make on experimental treatments. Hope to see you there.
I started thread that I made for the purpose of coaching each other through using the CDNUTS protocal.
It’s under member stories. Disregard the same thread under recoveries. I posted it under recoveries but than decided member stories is the best place.
Please anyone who is serious about getting their hands dirty with digging into this protocal go to member stories and click on the CDNUTS protocal thread.
Hey man thanks for the intel.
What are these new herbs?
And what’s that new website?
If you can’t share here, I’d love to PM but I don’t have a lot of posts here yet so PMs are disabled for my account still.
Understandable. He got a lot of shit from the skeptics. Beat them down pretty hard too which I thought made the read of his posts very entertaining. 
He could not fuck it put on muscel? Both of those issues? I don’t follow sorry what does that mean?
Sure, will do.
I have a huge file full of disorganized notes but I will go through them over the coming days and weeks and sort it all out and share.
Cheers!
Sorry for the last thread. It did not make much sense. I was really tired when I wrote it. So as far as the T/herb boosters here it is.
Cdnuts new full list
Pine Pollen
Pine pollen extract
Polyrhachis Ant Extract
Cistanche
He Shou Wu
Schisandra
Guduchi
Maral Root.
Shilajit pitch
Tongkat Ali
Rhodiola
Eleuthero
Ashwaganda
Mucana
Tribulus (liftmode)
Muira puama
Catauba bark
Butea superba
Suma root extract
Royal jelly
Maca (macapro)
A few things about that new List CDNUTS posted on the soul source website. They are all (or at least most of them) from a website called superman herbs. I have been spending a lot of time researching all of these herbs. Some of them look as if they are more for boosting T and some look Like they are more for other purposes. Obviously sense he’s recovered from this syndrome it makes sense that he’s not just about taking herbs that are specefic for treating PFS. Even with that said I don’t see how we can go wrong with cycling every herb on that list.
Cdnuts old list on this website:
boost-your-low-testosterone.com
I figured I would post the link to the old website that lists the herbs he recommended to cycle in his original post at the beginning of this I’m cured thread.
Also just in case this is helpful, take a look at page 25 of this thread. Another member posted a picture of several T Boosters he picked for his personal cycle.
I’m getting ready to run cdnuts protocol at full force. For the DHT prohormone I’m using Andro300. Although it only contains one of the active ingredients in the original androhard sup CDNUTS used I like it because it’s a transdermal. All these DHT prohormones claim to be “easy” on the liver but of course we have to take that with a grain of salt. A transdermal obviously will be easier on the liver seeing that it’s not running through our digestive systems and getting broken down by our livers.
Bad thing about andro300 is that you can’t find to many people on these forums that have used it and therefor it’s hard to say how effective it is. But seeing that I will be taking tons of herbs and natural T boosters I like the idea of getting my DHT fix via a transdermal delivery method.
The link to andro300 is here:
strongsupplementshop.com/and … aceuticals
Here is a list of t booster/ herbs that I picked. This list consists of herbs from cd’s new list, old List , the members list on page 25 of this thread and my own herbs that I found apart from all of these sources.
List of Herbs/Natural T Boosters for my protocol.
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Pine pollen tincture extract-$27.95 from SMH’s
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Tongkat Ali -$174.95 from SMH’s
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Tribulus (get from lift mode)
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Mucana-$34.96 from SMH’s
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Maral Root extract powder-$44.95 from SMH’s
6)D aspartic acid. (Wicked Sups)-$13.00
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Icarrin60 (world ABS)-$70.00
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Avens Sativa. (m.iherb.com/Action-Labs-Avena-Sa … blets/3384)-$17.85
These eight I believe are the best of the best in the regard that have the most scientific proof backing their ability to raise total and or free Testosterone. But keep in mind I’m not basing that opinion on experience of actually using them. I may add or replace herbs on this list in the future. But as of right now these are the herbs I’m currently sourcing.
I’m also tweaking cd’s protocol for what I believe to be the better. I’m going to rotate the herbs while I cycle the andro300. I don’t see how this can hurt in anyway. It can only help me from getting shutdown while cycling the DHT prohormone. After my DHT cycle I’m going to continue my herb cycle plus use pct. After pct I’ll cycle the herbs for another month before going into my next round of andro300.
I’ll only stop this under two conditions:
- I recover
- I stop everything to fast because I’m not getting results in which case after fasting I’ll start right back up.
I think I made some comment that made no sense about how cd stated that when he suffered from this syndrome he could not perform or put on muscle.
I mentioned that because it shows he had one of the more bad cases of this syndrome but yet he was still able to recover using the key concepts of this protocol.
I think you said you have went through all of cd’s posts. I simply just don’t have enough time to do that with my schedule. So please it you have found anything that you think is useful please share it.
5 alpha,
thanks for providing these details. As I mentioned via PM, I have collected a ton of notes from going through cdnuts posts. They are now in a giant word file that I need to go through and organize… I’ll do that soon and then post here.
I am also going to journal about my recovery (yes I’m not recovered yet but I have every faith that we will if we do what needs to be done). My thread is here… I detail what I’m working on in the most recent post:
The post I made today has not yet been approved by the mods, so depending when you check the most recent post might appear to be from a year ago… does anyone know how many posts I need to get my posts approved automatically and to be able to send PMs?
Finally - what is that soul source website? Do you have a link?
Pomegranate
I had a really good response after taking tongat ali. I cycled it a second time and it wasn’t quite as effective. Now I’m on a week break before I try a cycle of tribulus.
Would cycling trib and tongkat one week on , one week off work for you?
Where are you getting your trib and tongkat from.
IIn early May I’m going to try for my first time cycling 7 diff herrbs using the one day for each herb method. I’ll let you know if I get a good response
I’ll be including Trib and tongkat both from www.worldabs.com in my 8 herbs.
The only tongkat I can find that is supossed to be better than the tongkat from work abs is the tongkat from superman herbs.
Also supposedly the trib from a site called lift mode is supossed to be better than the trib from world abs.
But even that said so far the tongkat and trib from world abs is by far the best I have ever used
Depressing to see no new recoveries, and somehow cdnuts remains one of very rare reasons for optimisms, and people who have claimed improvement falling back again. So depressing.
numbduck before you are allowed to be a downer… did you do the cdnuts protocol?