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#401

Well…in the beginning, I could not tolerate caffeine…at all. Now I drink a cup every morning…just one cup. And man do I enjoy that one cup. Sometime on the weekend I will have more. But I’m recovered, so it’s a different ball game completely.

There are many things on the Paleo diet that are used in back loading and I’m sure I wasn’t very clear in this aspect. You eat Paleo ALL DAY. The you switch to back loading at night after you’ve lifted. So yes, If you want to add legumes to your backloads, by all means, go ahead.

#402

Hi Cdnuts,

Can you comment on some of the other permanent recovery points regarding your body? For instance, I’m sure with everything you’ve done, you must have lost weight and body fat. Where were you at the start and where are you now in regards to body fat %, muscle strength/hardness, energy levels, and aggression?
Can you comment any other physical and/or mental transformations as a result of your recovery that have obversed to be permanent?

Thanks Cd,

#403

Hi cdnuts,

I read in a couple of your posts that you also tried to get plenty of sun in your regiment. Do you think that the sun has played a big role in your recovery? I notice when i get out into the sun, that all my symptons improve and that the rest of the day is just way better to handle. Also when thinking back, my worst periods were the times i did not went out at all.

Thanks,

#404

CD I read that you took DIM, quercetin to reduce your estradiol levels. My question is have you ever felt joint pain or any low estrogen side effect from it? One thing I read is that androhard increase too much DHT and DHT is also an anti-estrogen. Do you think the high DHT decreased your estrogen to a good level and then your lifting/diet helped your body to stop aromatase and restored a good balance?

Were you fatter before the recovery and now you have more muscle and less body fat?
Do you still use the ring in your balls?
Do you still use DIM?

#405

Go buy vitamin D…it works wonders.

#406

That’s also the reason I listed vit. D in my supplements section. There is reason for all of it guys.

#407

I haven’t in quite some time.

#408

And about joint pain have you ever felt it taking DIM or any other anti-estrogen?

Any symptom from low estrogen?

I’m asking it because maybe you got your estrogen low enough with the vitamins, androhard, pct, testo boosters to a level that you got recovered.

I’m doing almost the same thing that you did what I notice is that I’m ejaculating better, more volume, more white, thick, more energy through the day. Before I was so tired the whole day that I even couldn’t talk to people at night like normal conversation. But I still not getting morning wood.

I’m using arimidex now I’m taking 0.75mg/day and increasing 0.25mg every 3 days. I’m trying to find what they call sweet spot. My estrogen is low on numbers but I don’t feel the bad symptoms like joint pain and noodle dick so I think I’m not that low for my body. That’s why I’m asking you about the symptoms from low estrogen.

#409

Cdnuts, some of us find that vitamin D doesn’t get absorbed as effectively in supplement form as it does from the sun for whatever reason. I have had varying effectiveness from it, sometimes it helps sometimes it makes me feel worse.

On this theme, did you ever have any negative reactions to the vast amount of supplements you were on? If so did they just go away with repeated use? I got insomnia from B12.

#410

I’ve always had nothing but positive responses from Vit. D. I agree getting it from the sun is best, but it’s just not practical for most people living in northern latitudes. I’ve always used Natural Living D8000. Very good quality and priced right.

The stuff that I have listed here has never given me any issues, which is why I put it in my recovery thread. Quite the contrary. If these vit.'s and supps are giving you problems then it’s time for a cleanse, which is also why I suggest doing that right off the bat.

In regards to the insomnia from B12, when are you taking it? You should be taking it in the morning which should not cause insomnia at night. My insomnia was from the drug induced brain damage caused by fin. How do you know it’s not just that?

#411

I’ve taken a massive amount of vit D now for years daily and it hasn’t done shit!

#412

Deadballs, have you had your levels checked?

Too much Vitamin D is bad for you, so taking massive amounts may not be the best approach!

#413

CDNUTS you said that you cycled your T-Boosters and your e lowering supplements.
I saw that you took quercetin, DIM and Avena Sativa. How did you cycle them? For example. Monday you took quercetin, tuesday you took DIM and wednesday you took Avena Sativa? I’m asking it because I’m taking arimidex but some people feel joint pain with it. I’m really low on E2 (in numbers but not in symptoms, feels like no matter what I take I feel nothing from it) and I will try to change the arimidex to the same supplements that you took. Also I will use the b complex, minerals and vitamin D.

Before you use androhard. How much do you think you were recovered? Could you try to say with %?

#414

@Cdnuts
Man could you please describe how you were feeling when you were using the androhard? You were getting leaner, stronger, hornier etc? Or due to androgen resistance you weren’t feeling much?
Also, do you believe that by doing pct so many times you kind of restarted your hpta axis? Where you using the typical pct drugs (nolva,clomid) or did you incorporate anything more special?

I believe you approached your recovery the right way man. Firstly, fasting to wake up your body, then prohormones to wake up your endocrine androgen pathways and of course exercise.
I also think the paleo diet is crucial, a lot of people with pfs are experiencing problems with processed foods, their metabolism and digestion are screwed as well.

Thank for sharing your information with us and i hope you the best!

#415

Yeah well unless your taking massive amounts of other shit (like whats listed in this protocol) and doing what your supposed to be doing one thing alone isn’t going to do much of anything. So no surprise there.

#416

He never took proper PCT, i.e. a SERM that antagonises estrogen to boost LH.

It was one of those over the counter stacks that are basically a remedy of testosterone boosters and supposedly anti-estrogens. There’s no proof or evidence that they can recover the HPTA once shutdown.

#417

In which page in this thread does he describe his pct? I think after a prohormone is better to use proper pct.

#418

Hi CDNuts,

Firstly a little update for everyone, am currently at TrueNorth Health Centre, California undergoing a 14 day medically supervised fast; am on day 8 and if I’m being honest it is one of the most challenging things both mentally and physically that I have ever done, but alas… eyes on the prize. I haven’t experienced any of the libido boost that CD experienced unfortunately, quite the opposite my libido has tanked, but I guess everyone reacts differently, hopefully this doesn’t mean I’m not going to heal.

Anyway, CD, since i’ve been here i’ve used the time to research a lot of things about my health, particularly the carb back loading element, and I have a few questions about how to play things… I know it may seem knit picking, but with everything else in line and the will power to do anything it takes, i’d hate to trip up on something dietary first, due to ignorance. Would you be able to have a quick look at my diet and critique it, its based on the CBL principles but before I looked through the fine details of it… i’ve included below:

TRAINING DAY

7:30 - 4 whole eggs, spinach (50g), olive oil (5g)
10:30 - Chicken Breast (200g), Avocado (50g), cucumber (30g)
13:00 - Chicken Breast (200g), green beans (50g), Broccoli (50g), Almonds (15g)
16:00 - Protein shake (20g protein)

Train at 6pm, taking pre and intra workout shake containing Vit C, BCAA’s and Creatine both times, with maltodextrin in the intra workout shake (not sure if this should be avoided?)

Post Workout - protein shake w/ banana (118g) and blueberries (30g)

21:00 - Turkey Breast (200g), Sweet Potato (400g), Broccoli (50g) and green beans (50g)
I sometimes also throw in a number of gluten free fruit loaf slices toasted and coated with coconut oil - advisable?

NON TRAINING DAY

7:30 - 4 whole eggs, olive oil (10g), protein shake
10:30 - wholegrain rice, chicken breast (200g), cucumber (30g), Olive oil (5g)
13:30 - Protein shake, almonds (15g)
16:30 - Turkey breast (160g), sweet potato (150g), broccoli (50g), green beans (50g)
20:30 - Wholegrain rice, sirloin steak (155g)

Every day i also supplement with a multi vit, natural calm magnesium, carlsons fish oil, vit D (6000 iu), Vit E, Selenium and Zinc (35mg).

In terms of what I drink, only water and and once at night ill have some coconut water too, with organic decaf black tea on extremely rare occasions.

I’m just wondering if you have any thoughts on the diet and if I’m doing things horrendously wrong? As you can see i’ve been keeping things very much clean, but spreading out the carbs on my non-training day… should I not be having any carbs on non-training days or still backloading them at night?

I spoke to a friend thats a nutritionist who helped me put the plan together, and he took my measurements after 1 month on the diet and there have been big improvements (1% down in body fat, and a good increase in lean muscle mass) so I guess things are working anabolically and I was prior to the fast definitely getting stronger, but the whole purpose of this thing for me is to heal so should I be modifying anything? For the record, nothing seems to give me gut issues or mental cognitive problems, in fact I feel absolutely great on the diet, its just the bad sexual side effects that strongly persist, with some days randomly worse than others.

A few questions also relating to the CBL document i’ve read through…

  1. I’ve noticed now i’ve read through that it strongly advocates missing breakfast - did you do this? Also did you do the morning accelerator shake with coffee (I know you said you drink coffee now recently in a post, but just wondering if you did throughout recovery - no food or drink seems to bother me noticeably physically, but I don’t wanna take any bad stuff in)

  2. Did you use the grass fed whey isolate and hydrolyse or did you just use the standard whey?

  3. As I said above i throw in gluten free fruit loaf with coconut oil sometimes, just wondering for backloading after training is there any issue throwing in more of the junk I can get from the gluten free section that is also free of wheat and dairy to boost the GI content (muffins, cakes, cookies etc)?

  4. Should I remove the maltodexterin from the intra work out shake as I’m aware it is very processed? It does the trick of giving me a boost and I tolerate it fine but again, I’m doing this for healing so if its best to go then so be it?

  5. I’ve totally avoided gluten and to this point have also totally eliminated dairy, but I’m just wondering what your thoughts are on cottage cheese or cheddar cheese, any allowance at any point of the diet? Also, if coffee is ok would there be a problem with a slight dash of milk in there or should I just use almond milk?

  6. Sorry to be a pain, but if you do get a second would you be able to maybe provide a rough kinda daily meal plan like mine above so I could see how you approached things.

Thanks for taking the time to read this again man and for all the help and advice you have given me since December in putting all this together, I have all the supps, 2 tubs of AH and PCT in my possession along with the testicle painting kit and am looking forward to getting back and hitting this hard. Basically I have everything you used and am intending to totally mimic your protocol religiously to a T, hence the many diet questions.

I’m sure I can speak for everyone when I say we all really appreciate the help and guidance you are providing.

Also CD, I can now totally appreciate what you meant about the Docs here and their dogma, its incredible… they’re really not a fan of decaying animal flesh (AKA meat) and coagulated cow puss (aka milk) are they?!? haha.

#419

No, I haven’t but I take 5000 iu’s when I remember which is about 3-5 times a week through winter and in summer just 1 or 2 times weekly. I don’t think I’m over doing it.

#420

Yeah sorry I didn’t read the whole thread.

I will say that I have done everything you talk about minus fasting and test boosters for about 6 months. My natty test went from bottom of normal range to high end of normal range at 35 years of age. Difficult to say exactly cos my test was done at 5pm the last time and it was mid normal so I extrapolated that it would have been quite a bit higher at 7 am. So conservatively my test went from low to mid.

How did this affect me… libido was marginally higher. From very low to just low. Still rarely if ever got un-simulated erections but could have sex more regularly without exhaustion, perhaps daily.

I intend to try again when I am not working so much and hopefully do it for longer. I think HIIT sprints are probably the most beneficial out of them and heavy weight lifting. My reason for thinking this is that before this condition I could weight lift and feel fatigued/ energised / elated and euphoric all at the same time after a work out. This would often coincide with a need to have sex, an actual need. In the whole 6 months I never felt that in nearly 100 lifting sessions but I did “almost” feel it after sprinting, not the have sex part but the fatigue/ energised/ elated/ euphoric thing.

Anyway good luck to all!