Hi @terih71214, can you post a member story so the community can better understand your personal situation, symptoms, and reasons for participation. Thank you.
What happened with your protocol?
Still havenāt received the proviron Iām hoping it comes in soon
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I should have mine in tomorrow.
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Iām currently running @pal protocol if you could call it that, day 6. Feel more fatigued at times but not much else, will update if I get any major symptom changes good or bad.
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Are you good ? whats the news ? Im about to do that to once i get my tests
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Tinnitus seems worse today and I couldnāt sleep last night. Anxiety seems higher, definitely do not feel androgenic on this, which is how normal people feel on it.
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How much are you taking every day?
And are you positive itās solid stuff not fake stuff?
Itās an important quest because so much stuff out there is ābunk gearā
Hope things go better
Iām taking 200mg a day after breakfast. Had sex with my wife earlier and it was the best in 3 years, so it may be working. I think my stuff is legit but obviously you can never be 100% sure with UGL gear.
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Youāre supposed to feel bad during so it makes sense
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Godspeed brother.
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2 weeks in now 5 to go. Bad brain fog over the last few days, low libido, penis and scrotum are cold all day, short term memory also seems worse than normal pfs baseline. As was pointed out, this is to be expected so not concerned, Iāll tough it out.
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How is fatigue? Any issues with heart rate as well? Pretty sure I got scammed on the proviron I ordered it never came in so gotta look for another source thanks for doing this itās brave of you!
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Iāve never had heart issues during this for which Iām fortunate, I know some of you guys have. Iām also seem to be dreaming again, mostly nightmares but at least its something. Fatigue is okay. I have no motivation to do anything, have to really force myself to get off the couch lol.
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Good to hear I literally havenāt had a single dream since my crash so yeah definitely positive I would assume even if they are nightmares
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Donāt forget broā¦if youāre taking that much DHT youāre going to drive down your estrogen which has its own set of side effects. Of which is lethargy.
Iām syre your knew that but itās the first thing I thought of. Maybe temper the dose? Or come off for a few days and let things balance out?
You said you felt good a few days ago. Maybe that was the perfect time to slow down and balance it.
Just lookin out
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Yeah Iām the same, 3 and a half years without a dream lol, crazy what this condition can do.
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Iāll stick with it for now, but if it gets too much Iāll drop the dose. Just trying to follow pal. I did a 4 week cycle of androsterone about 2 years a go which is similar to proviron and had similar symptoms. Had a nice snap back about 2 weeks after the cycle, it was the only thing Iāve done during pfs which got rid of the dark circles under my eyes, unfortunately it didnāt stick.
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Based on everything Iāve learned about Proviron, the crappy feeling for a mono-therapy run like this is to be expected. There are basically 2 roads to take, and Iām torn between them.
The first route is the Pal protocol like Chapman is doing: a Proviron-only, mother of all misery run. Here, you get a 2-fold punch in the gut: the extremely high androgens (can be a bad feeling for PFS guys), PLUS the reduced E which will bring any man down. PFS already has some of us so fatigued we canāt get off the couch, so this is really brutal. The upside is that if you can make it through the whole 6-8 weeks (and the recovery period), I think it has the best chance of actually reversing PFS like it for Pal. My hat is off to the guys that can make it through this. The mental stamina required might be comparable to getting through some sort of special forces training.
The other route is using Proviron sort of like a bodybuilder would, with a high-ish amount of testosterone. Thereās that narrow range of high T and DHT levels that brings some guys back to their old selfā¦temporarily. It canāt really be run long term, so when they come off they essentially go back to square one or close to it. My thoughts on this have been that the high T levels either during or at the time of Proviron withdrawal (Iām hoping itās the latter) prevent the desired AR desensitization or āanti-crashā that we need.
My Proviron was supposed to be in last week but was held up in customs. Itās finally moving again, and should definitely be here within the next day or so. I plan on starting on Sunday. I think Iām going to have to use a little TRT with it. Iāve been feeling pretty shitty lately, and I do have to work and study (which is already really hard), so I canāt afford a crashed E situation on top of it. I will try to keep my TRT as low as I can possibly tolerate throughout the Proviron cycle and am thinking of quitting the TRT a week prior to the end of it, with no pct. By that time, Iāll have a couple of weeks off from school.
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