Ill advice at best. Guy’s feeling shitty on a massive 200mg/d Proviron dose for 2 damn weeks means one thing only “not gonna work”! There’s no point in denying that. He could possibly end up in a much worse place than he actually is due to HPTA suppression and other risks.
Agree, of course its risky. But you state a lot of “certainties” that are not certain at all and nothing more than your convictions.
great , lets start it and say us your results.
i working on it but i am not any success. i am on no carbonhydrat diet. i eating only proteins and oils. i using probiotics. should am i do for gut ?
with 600 dht , , , you have suppressed your own dht now … good luck. there is nothing wrong with the hormones you will learn it with the hard way. damaging yourself more like others here …
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" All hormones are supressive in higher (i.e. above body set points) doses via negative feedback loop and that’s a fact. Key is to raise the low ones just enough to restore functionality (in our case; libido) and taking regular breaks is pivotal."
–> This is actually very likely explanation also to my Letrozol crash. My T and free T rised to the upper side of range for a long time, like over a month (my baseline probably is on the low-side) and the same time E2 stayed in the cellar. Libido or sensitivity didnt change while on letro. But after cessation when hormone levels dropped, I had this normalish libido and sensitivity day. On that day my hormone levels were on the optimal range. So on my case, I would need to raise my T for a little to see if this is true. I might consider few months on Testavan testogel with low dose.
My hormone profile, basicly in my case everything is low except DHEA:
T total (low mid range)
T free (under range low)
LH (in range lowish)
DHT (in range very low)
E2 (low)
SHBG (normal mid range)
DHEA-S (normal upper mid range)
Cortisol (low)
Proviron kicks in about 3-5 days MAX into intake. Taking it longer and longer in such absurd doses while continuing to feel like sh#t, depressed and with zero libido proves its doing more harm than good, doesn’t it? Sorry to bust your bubble but it’s not the magic pill. I’ve 10 proviron packs (from Bayer) laying around because it won’t help me now either (normal T, normal SHBG, normal DHT, low DHEA, low E2). 7 years ago, it worked like a charm and I could feel raging libido on day 1 (E2 & SHBG were much higher back then).
I’m talking from a first hand experience and with blood tests done. Those with nagging doubts should try it themselves in 200mg/d and share findings with us includng bloodwork. Now this should be helpful.
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What Probiotics are you using? I’m also on Probiotics but I’m having trouble with histamine intolerance. I need to find one that doesn’t give me allergic reactions.
The whole point here was that the OP was trying to replicate Pal’s “recovery protocol”. He wasnt expecting to feel good on the proviron, nor to use it longterm. His initial plan was to take it for 7 weeks and then withdraw and hope to be recovered somehow. But, he decided to stop because a doctor told him that he will become infertile, even if he only would have used it for 7 weeks.
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I’ve abused AIs left and right (you name it Letrozol, Arimidex, Aromasin) at varying doses. At one point, they were helpful (e.g. during trt & high E2 periods). They always would give me that initial boost in T and DHT while lowering E2 and the result was always heightened libido and motivation and lowered wated retention plus negating other high E2 problems. Continuing intake always resulted in very low E2 and dead libido.
Nowadays I wouldn’t dare to touch them ever again. I’m in the belief they did a long term harm because since I quit them for good in 2017, my E2 wouldn’t bounce back to its former level. Your case is a clear cut bro, you need to raise T to 600+ and this will drive DHT and E2 along via conversion. Havibg DHEA in range is good news.
You have 3 options to raise T:
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Natural way: get to bed by 10pm, sleep solid 8 hours a night, 2500kcal/d with high fat, enough carbs and protein and 4X resistance training a week and avoid overtraining. Vitamins and minerals only help if you have deficiencies. Tyrosine helps me with exercise fatigue.
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Elevate LH. Low dose Clomid is something I tried myself. I did 12.5mg EOD and T went up from 400s to 700s in 2 weeks. Problem is, SHBG also went up from 30s to 70s while E2 increased modestly from 17 to 22. I read on trt forums that adding Proviron to the mix helped mitigate high SHBG and produced high libido.
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TRT shots: I did 250mg/w and felt like 15 again. Effect kicked in 2 days. I stopped due to infertility concerns and had a horrible withdrawals.
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HCG/HMG: I tried HCG post trt and it raised T via mimicking LH but results did not impress me. It may help others though.
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With all due respect but I’ve my doubts about Pal’s proviron experience. We know nothing beside he’s taken proviron in ridiculous doses and fully recovered. No bloodwork before or after, no followup posts, not even clear history. In any case, I’m not stopping anyone to experiment with Proviron. It would be great though to have before and after bloodwork so we could establish a norm.
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some therory says. after fin or dut. you will have more testosterone receptors more then a normal person.
so boosting your your testo level will shut you down and make your receptors blind. but no research on this i think. there is one thing you can do is fasting to regulate/reset your body. fasting for years.
I never said it’s a magic pill. It might work, it might not and yes, its risky.
But you draw conclusions under the impression that you know exactly what pfs is and what it isnt.
And you seem to concentrate on hormone status and gut and etc. You don’t seem to be of the opinion, that pfs is a receptor problem. I’m not saying it is 100%, but I think there is at least a decent likelihood that this is the case. And curing this with high doses dht is, at least theoretically, a possibility.
You speak in certainties that are not appropriate here.
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First of all, I’ve taken Finesteride and suffered the common symptoms reported by forum members. Let’s be clear about one thing. No one knows what PFS really is and it’s all theorizing thus far. Let’s also not discount the fact that we don’t share the same biochemistry.
My opinions are based on correcting obvious outliers unveiled through proper testings. Condoning super high dose proviron use based on a single N=1 anecdote and vague recovery story is inappropriate to say the least.
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How bout you start your own trial and we can follow you there?
Fair enough
Yes, the Proviron is a Hail Mary for sure. I’ll be sure to document my progress (or lack thereof) in a separate thread. I don’t know if I’ll be able to get bloodwork though.
I have Clomid laying around, it raises my SHBG too. Maybe take it while on Proviron, or will the high dose of P overcome the low dose of C at the HPTA?
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Yes I agree with you. Just pointing out what the OPs intention with the proviron was from the first place.
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You won’t get infertile because of this… sad to hear you stopped your protocol right in the middle of the way… oh jeez. Why did you do it… Pal used for 7 weeks if i remember correctly. I hope you can get some positive effects with 2 weeks but not sure… maybe more harmful than good to cut the protocol there.
He has to wait a few months, pal very well might have still recovered if he did 200mg and quit sooner then 7 weeks so it’s a waiting game, I just ordered some proviron yesterday, might get my varicocele fixed first before I experiment and donate blood since my hematocrit is raised last I checked.
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