Final protocol 100% pfs reversal with dht therapy - lastpost

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#1861

finbasteride, don’t give up mate, I know it was a long journey to get where I got, I tried to find a way to fix this with just testosterone, but in the end we need DHT, I urge you to keep fighting, think about it man. Dr Goldstein has 8 patients a day (According to RQ’s own witness), where are all of the angry non responsive patients of Dr Goldstein? That is about 2400 patients a year, come on! I have pushed my own DHT to its limits, and it has its limits with PFS, in the end it is Andractim that solved the puzzle. Frankly it is no news, Goldstein arrived at this conclusion a while ago, his testosterone protocol will be better with propionate. If he uses Propionate he may not need all the gels and creams and pills he needs in addition.
That being said, I know your resources are limited, order Andractim off the net and follow what I said, this is the final piece of the puzzle. You are a good guy, hang in there man, check your bio available Test, ask your doctor if it is low, if it is then your overall total test doesn’t matter. Most if it is being sucked up into estrogen, see the title of this thread, this conclusion is not new, I came to it months ago, in the end I have arrived back.
You can get through this man, maybe this is incurable and untreatable for some people, but I had this pretty fucking bad, worse than you, and I have been normal now except for the mood thing. Now this Andractim has fixed it, I see now reason it will stop working if Goldstein is using it with success, I imagine it either works or it doesn’t. I tried to change the tone of this forum to something positive and optimistic, but there are many here who want it to be all about suicide and hopelessness, well, that’s their prerogative. I think some guys here in Europe and the UK have an overly optimistic view of how medicine works in the US.
The studies will come to nothing, there is already a doctor treating this condition with obvious success (Goldstein), and no pharmaceutical company is going to spend trillions of dollars to devise a drug for a small group. I hope I am wrong, but guys here are pretty smart, we have come a long way, it is sad to shut down scientific progress. Censorship is something in the USA we are against, free speech and free flow of ideas. Information and speech can never be harmful, all speech should be protected and allowed, silencing people never goes down well, never has, never will… I am sure there will be a ton of donations to this foundation after everyone leaves to go to other forums and people have been forcibly silenced.
Mew, you can only control things so much, the control you think you have over this forum is an illusion of control. Ultimately everyone here is their own person, and I have awakened in this forum a sense of optimism that has not existed, and I know based on the numbers and my own experiences that a lie is being perpetuated here that PFS cannot be treated. I will be on solvepfs.com, if I am banned from here, it will only further my point. It will weaken your cause, no one likes tyrants, and there is nothing keeping these people here but hope, and you have arbitrarily decided that there is no hope but your path of studies and research. You should encourage what I am doing, ban me from here and you will make me a martyr, divide this entire community.
Already you have done so with your decision to close this forum, you may have this forum, and you may have this foundation, but hope is a potent force. No one has explained to me where all the 2,400 patients a year Dr Goldstein sees are. Is it possible that the high amount of users on here being from the UK and Europe could be because they don’t have HRT there? You cannot do anything alone, power comes only in numbers. You cannot take hope away from people, you will just lose the people’s support, you think you are the only leader who has had a revolution? You guys call me egocentric and arrogant? For trying to help people? You want to silence me and shut down hope and progress? When I came here this place was filled with the dead, and I am bringing them back to life. I will remain here till I am banned, but I will be on solvepfs, and post for me there if I am removed from here.
Mew, I wish to work with you, our work can run parallel, it doesn’t have to be this way. If you ban me and erase my posts, I will just repost them on solvepfs, censorship is wrong, but that is an American view, Freedom of speech. I think highly of you Mew, but you are doing the wrong thing. Anyone who doubts what I say call Dr Goldstein and ask him his success rates and how many patients he treats. We can still conduct research with studies while we work to treat this and help people like Dr Goldstein or people who can’t afford to see him or an HRT doctor.

ALSO, people, I encourage you to continue donating to this foundation, I support it no matter what happens to me, I support all it is doing, I am not against it, I am just trying to progress this fight. Clearly the views here that hormones don’t work are misguided.

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#1862

Did you not say earlier that exogenous DHT is suppressive, i.e. a very bad idea? Now it’s the final piece of the puzzle? Best of luck to you. You’re going to really need it this time.

#1863

bizzbee, DHT is suppressive, but my original protocol was using DHT, I tried to induce my own DHT to the max, but with PFS, it takes too long, longer than I am willing to wait. I have gone back to my original conclusion that started this thread, my experiments to induce DHT are too tiring for me, I have gone to DHT replacement long term, no secret. Dr Goldstein has been doing it for a long time, this forum makes up a small number of PFS sufferers, it creates the illusion that this condition is never treated and cannot be treated. Most guys go to Goldstein and get better and move on with their life, why post here when something is working? This place is where you go when you don’t want to try the most effective protocol. All I can add to Dr Goldstein is to replace Cypionate with Propionate and then he won’t need all those creams and pills.
I have been on Wellbutrin XL 300mg for years, apparently I have been suffering from a mild form of PFS from finasteride use before Avodart did me in. My final conclusion is my first conclusion, hopefully this thread will save people a lot of time that I wasted. I do believe in the absence of DHT you can improve on your own with HRT, but it could take years. I have publicly stated I will give this a period of time before going to DHT. Why would I need luck? Luck for what? I and the people who wish to continue our work can move to solvepfs.com.
Dr Goldstein is doing the same work, nothing new, instead of suffering here man, you can just try the protocol, if it works you are home free, mine was missing DHT, I couldn’t make it work without it. Well, maybe in time, but I lost my patience, I took the easy way out, DHT. I think you have the wrong idea about me, I got nothing to gain from this either way, there is no glory in this for me, I was simply trying to help people. I already have solved most of this and now it seems finished it, at this point my posts are just to help people. I tend to think giving people hope is better than telling them they are hopeless and talk about suicide.
Yea, I made mistakes and that’s called TRIAL AND ERROR, you can’t solve a problem without it, many here want success without any error, not going to happen, took me 6 months of misery to get here.

#1864

I want to be clear about what I wrote earlier about what Goldstein told me. He estimated that between 50% and 60% improve under his care. Exactly how he’s defining this, I don’t know, but he seemed to go out of his way to phrase this in a way that made clear he wasn’t claiming a cure and that even among those who are helped there’s a pretty broad range of improvements. Additionally, he’s upfront about the fact that his understanding of this has evolved and is evolving – that what he is doing now is not necessarily what he was doing even a few months ago. Anecdotally, I know of several guys who have seen him and not improved at all, and in one case even got worse.

And beyond all of that, I talked with several other people in his office (when you go, you also consult with a physical therapist and an emotional therapist/counsellor). Both made clear to me that they have seen patients who’ve recovered their sexual function BUT also indicated that this isn’t necessarily that common.

I point all of this out because – based on my experience as a patient of his – I think it’s misleading and creates false expectations to simply assert that “Most guys go to Goldstein and get better and move on.” I can not stress enough: This is NOT what was conveyed to me when I was at his office. There’s a lot more complexity and nuance and I do not want guys here to get the impression that this is anything close to a sure thing. As best I can tell, it’s a longshot that it will amount to the end of PFS for us.

Whether you want to pay the $$ to visit Goldstein and take the plunge on his protocol is, obviously, entirely up to you. My personal conclusion is that I’m fine taking the chance. But I have no illusions about the odds I’m facing here.

#1865

They are stating NO ONE EVER RECOVERS EVER!!! I stated most, you stated 50-60%, who is closer, me or them? The people here against me claim hormones cannot treat this condition, the dogma of this forum is that this condition is hopeless and there is no way to treat it. Your statement contradicts the dogma here, be careful, even if that is true, that is still over 1k patients a year or more. The dogma here is that NO ONE EVER responds to hormones and no one can ever be treated or cured with them.
Dr Goldstein lacks my knowledge of hormones that runs a little deeper, I would try Masteron with Andractim (done right) on a non responder to hit the receptors at both angles since Masteron is not DHT but very similar. DHT is mostly disabled by an enzyme in the body, that is why Masteron was made different, so it is not disabled.
That being said, I told everyone here I would move on when I picked a final protocol to stay with long term, unfortunately my own DHT can’t cut it, so DHT replacement it is. I would prefer we all part as friends, those who wish to join me on solvepfs remain friendly with this foundation. I encourage donation, I fully support what Mew is doing, I am just trying to help those with no hope. If Andractim doesn’t work RQ, there is Masteron and Andractim. It takes trial and error to solve these problems, it took me 6 months of one failure after another, I tried probably 45 different hormone combinations with mostly failures.
I was only mostly successful 2 months ago, suspension was partly successful but partly a failure (for me emotionally), Propionate was the most stable, Andractim completed the puzzle. Had I tried to make sure I never contradicted myself I never would have made any progress, it is impossible to get where I got without making mistakes, and lots of them. You would have never been able to handle my rate of failures. I worked my ass off posting here to help people, share my research, if you ever wonder why guys who solve this don’t post here, now you know, who wants to go through what I went through. I did not arrive at a new solution, I arrived at the same solution I had months ago when I started this thread, only different types of the drugs.

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#1866

BB,

It’s all suppressive - TRT, HRT, Testosterone shots, DHT gel, blackmarket “gear”. All suppressive. AI’s and HCG are not suppressive. They boost endogenous production.

#1867

Hcg is suppressive. Long term use in high doses desensitizes Leydig cells.

#1868

Yeah no kidding. That’s not what I was getting at though.

To JQD:
That’s why I suggested a little while back ( if you recall ) to just work out your method silently and stop posting maniacally every hour or so. And please, spare me the lecture on trial and error, I believe I’ve had my fair share of that in trying to beat this thing. I’ve also had my fair share of misery. You’re losing credibility fast with all this nonsense about having figured all this out when in fact you are still “evolving” this protocol of yours. I don’t need HRT at this point but thanks for the offer, I’ll keep it mind though. I actually got a little worse doing this DHT prohormone cycle over two months ago and have only recently begun to get back to where I was before that which is probably just as good as where you are now, if not better. You speak of having oily skin and a body scent and big, dense muscles again. I started getting all of that at about the 1.5 year mark into my own program (pretty much like Chi’s). It’s really the only sort of program that has worked wonders for me and I still believe it will lead to a full recovery (within two years or so as an estimate). But you go ahead and continue trialing and perfecting your method and sharing the results on your new forum solvepfs. I hope it works out for you, from the looks of it quite a few people here are really counting on it.

#1869

I have an AI but I noticed, for me, I have to be careful to not take to much. Hopefully the DHT will be effective at helping E2 control and not require much if any AI.

#1870

That’s great man. Please keep us informed of your progress. I’m one of those guys that never got better. If it works, don’t fix it. And what works for one, may not work for someone else. Hence trial and error :wink: All the best. Whats your protocol/method?

#1871

Pretty much like Chi’s. Think of cdnuts without the supplements.

#1872

Look bizbee, I’ll not deny I have been a little manic at time using myself as a guinea pig on various hormones. The fact is this thread is a manual for someone who gets pfs and wants to do something about it, we have gone through everything here. It ends at Andractim, it ends where it started, dht. I would have stopped posting, but there are a lot more guys out here reading my posts in support than you think. I have had lots of messages of support telling me my posts keep them going. This is it, it ends at propionate and Andractim, dht and test. I’m not sure if I will need an AI or not, I guess I will see what happens down the road. Over the next couple weeks I’ll be ending this thread, I have no reason to believe Andractim will fail. Either it works or it doesn’t, if it worked then failed Goldstein wouldn’t be using it. It’s far more potent than I imagined, so I’ll give it a couple weeks and then conclude the thread. That I ended where I started, dht replacement, I was not able to induce enough of my own dht, im sure in time it would have recovered, but life is too short. I also have reason to believe now that exogenous dht in my system might induce recovery. If it doesn’t, oh well, I feel normal, that’s all that matters. Bizzbee good work with your progress and congrats, if it fails you have this option at least.

#1873

Coles notes? Water fasting? Carb back loading?

#1874

Good to hear. Let us know. So you’re taking Test + dht gel ?

#1875

You are making a bad call and here is why:

  1. a bunch of average guys talking like they are doctors and coming up with potential ways to treat this syndrome does not in anyway discredit us, this syndrome or the PFS foundation as it pertains to proving PFS is real and creating awareness that it is real. It actually helps credit all of these things!!! How many “average guys pretending they are doctors” are using JQD’s thread every day? You think we want to be here? All these guys In their late 20’s and early 30’s using their free time to be on this thread, when we should be out fucking bitches and having kids. Any lawyer or doctor who has a clue would see that point and that we are not all here making this up. This is exactly what your website needs.

  2. although we are doing a lot of fucking around with meds and suppletments, it’s the same meds and suppletments that doctors who try to treat this condition prescribe people. All JQD is doing (besides arguing with fucking losers) is tweaking the dosage of these drugs… That’s it. Just as JQD had said "if every body builder had PFS, there would be a effective treatment. He is right!!! We have such a better chance at fixing this by tweaking the dosages of the drugs and using them in diff ways that your real doctors prescribe than we do by waiting on results from research to be published! Also even if the research finds the problem , they still can’t fix it!!! All they can do is do what JQD is currently doing which is try to find the “right dose” of hormone meds to treat us. Even if we get the answere from research, the options to treat it will remain the same at least for a while. We don’t have a while as most of us (including your self)are all In are late 20’s and 30’s.

  3. final point is that there is nothing wrong with being involved in the research and conducting are own at the same time using the same drugs the doctors are using. I can’t be involved in the studies because I took Saw P. But I can be here… That’s Better than nothing.

If this post ends before we can hear about the few members who are currently trying JQD’s method or their own version of it, I will never post On your website again.

I’ll just sit back and “wait for the research”… Loser

#1876

5 alpha, you speak for a big group of guys from here who contact me off the forum. As Mew suggested we can migrate to solvepfs if we aren’t wanted here. Currently I find myself stunned that Andractim gel has not been promoted here as an option. After 6 months of hell injecting myself with everything imaginable, the answer is a gel. I haven’t had this kind of 5ar activity since before Pfs. Truth be told, I never bothered with the gel, I thought it didn’t work. I actually believed what I read on here, Goldstein is using it with success, maybe it won’t help everyone, but it was the final piece to my puzzle.
I have not needed an AI now in the longest time ever since I realized this was estrogen. My work was definitely not in vain. I know there are motives here about class action lawsuits. Let me give you guys a dose of reality who are motivated by suing. I am all for suing Merck, but don’t get your hopes up. As soon as the lawsuits get going every Tom, Dick, and Harry will have “pfs,” it will be a huge lawsuit. Merck will pay millions and it will go into a fund out of which we will all get about $5k if we are lucky.
In the meantime, I have to be skeptical of the motives of people like PVDL and Luclfax if they claim hormones don’t work and I have been living off of them. I got pretty fucked up, in fact now I know I have never known a normal life since before 21. I never thought of it, till I started test and got my life back, I didn’t know I was supposed to feel like that off of it! Then after 4 or 5 years on it I took avodart and royally fucked myself. Now I finally have it completely reversed, I had hoped to restore my own dht, but replacing it is fine.
I question the motives of people who say hormones don’t work when mathematics proves at least 1,300 people a year are responding to hormones seeing dr goldstein (not to mention all the guys on hormones that don’t know they have pfs). This perpetuated lie is destructive, if I didn’t have the knowledge base I had, I would have killed myself by now. Believe what you want, you can think good or bad about me, but hear this, I have been fucked by pfs and I reversed it with hormones. All I needed was that last missing piece, it was Andractim.
No one likes to be lied to, if the myth that guys with pfs do not respond to hormones is perpetuated then it discredits the goal of suing. You guys must not be aware of how law works, when the other side proves guys with pfs can be treated with hormones they will impeach your entire argument. Have you considered before boldly making dangerous claims that hormones don’t work, how it will look in court? I have been involved with some high profile lawsuits, I know my stuff, they will annihilate you (at least in the USA).
Maybe some guys don’t respond to hormones, ok, but plenty do and are, and it seems Andractim is the final piece to allow that response. I question the motives of people like PVDL who are out to stop me from helping people. I will raise an army and make it known that we do respond to hormones, I’ll not just go quietly into the night while this fraud is perpetuated. I met 2 high profile people off here, one im no longer in communication with due to differences, the other is an A list celebrity. He has given me permission to say that much, I urge you all to work together, you don’t want to be made out to be liars. If you want to sue, that’s fine, im all for it, but denying a treatment exisys when it does (for at least half the people or more maybe) is dangerous.

#1877

TRT works for some people. for those people, this thread is very useful. looking at the 1st page of the hormone subforum alone we have…

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8562
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8788
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8662

these people hopped on TRT and moved on with their lives.

#1878

When it doesn’t work Andractim makes it work, lies are being perpetuated here, if it it doesn’t stop, I’ll raise an army, I’ll not stand for it. People living for years suffering being told they can’t be helped when they can.

#1879

Howdy team, happy holidays. Upon reading the latest post I went ahead and registered at solvepfs.com? If anyone one of my friends gets a spare moment please PM or post the latest protocol. Looks like maybe Andractim Gel…is that by itself or with Test?

#1880

Perfectgent, hold off the donations, let me see how this proceeds, if this message is sensored I’ll email you directly. I have a lot of people ready to donate to this pfs foundation, let’s just wait a bit, I am using a drug that seems to be helping thousands of guys with pfs and is not mentioned here except that it doesn’t work. We will be happy to donate once this issue is settled, it must be recognized that guys with pfs can recover with hormones (and Andractim if not with normal hrt). Lives are in danger due to perpetuated lies.