jqd is right
if you search in bodybuilders forum, you ll find how they treat with post dut and fin in their cycles, and they are doing fine… but on “juice” most of time.
Name me one person who has experienced significant improvements on JQD protocols.
There is not one person who has improved on JQD protocols.
JQD has claimed that a great number of people (“countless”) have had major improvement on his protocols.
Dont you see that this is not a solution that treats the cause of PFS. If it were, it would work for 99% of the people affected. Do you think the foundation and harvard have overlooked treatments suggested by Dr. Jacobs and Dr. Goldstein or the tired hormone replacement theory? Dont you know that this forum exists since 2006 and that awor and countless others have tried and failed to achieve positive effects with hormone replacement? Dont you know that lots of PFS patients have perfect bloodwork. Reread awors post above.
Jesus some of you guys are thick headed.
I didn’t say JQD improved anyone. I’m saying hormones in general help a few people. The feedback off different protocols is useful to those who respond. If all we should do is donate and participate in studies, this forum shouldn’t even exist. It should just link straight to pfsfoundation
If JQD didnt improve anyone, like you correctly state, dont you think his claim that he has helped “countless” people is delusional?
The reality is not that HRT helps some people. The reality is that the vast majority (99.9%) of people try it and end up worse off. Reread awors post.
I hope to God you’re right!! It’s been almost NINE YEARS FOR ME. NINE YEARS!!!
I really do think I see your point of view on JQD. All of the constant hype and exaggerations that he calls charisma, constantly reminding people that it’s his protocol, his theory, talking about how he has completely reverseed PFS with another protocol which when asked what it is he says he`ll “reveal at another time” (lol), saying that he has poured his heart out and worked with people 24/7 (really? 24 hours seven days a week?) to get them cured, he’s selling hype and nobody is buying it. I have laughed out loud sometimes at how ridiculous some of his posts are and questioned his sanity on multiple occasions or that he is on uppers or euphoric drugs when he posts. I’ve even wondered if he’s pretending things are working to get other people to try them so he doesn’t have to risk trying them on himself (not accusing him of this, it’s just crossed my mind).
But when you think about what is actually going on here, it’s just some guy in Florida posting things in a thread that each person has a choice of whether to click on to read it or not. It`s pretty harmless. He’s testing things that haven’t been tested before and getting other people trying it as well. When I see people like JQD motviated enough to try things it honestly gives me hope and makes me feel that good things could be around the corner and if they aren’t, then we can move on to the next protocol with new hopes of being stabalized or recovered. This is the most productive thread I’ve seen in awhile and if it weren’t for JQD it wouldn’t be here. Most other threads are just people talking and theorizing in circles but no action, JQD is taking real action and posting results and because of that he’s got to be my favorite person on this board and I stand behind him - if you want to be fair then ask yourself who is causing more harm to this board, JQD or people trying to run him off and I’d say it’s the latter.
… and JQD if your heart is really in the right place to help people then you’ll carry on and quit biting at the people who are trying to get under your skin, just ignore it and carry on doing what you feel is right.
Wish I did. Bloodwork is hard to come by in Canada. I just go by feeling. My baseline is near total impotence. Can’t bang a chick without Viagra. No desire or wood.
On Arimidex, I banged a girl for one hour straight with no Viagra. Felt some desire. Had some morning chubbys, which I never get. Also noticed mood is up a bit. Happier, laughing more, cracking more jokes. This is all from the Arimidex. Dosing around 0.5mg per day. Tbh, I don’t feel much different. There is nothing profound. I don’t feel that ON feeling a guy gets from being on Testosterone or the cockiness or the spike in libido. But it has made a noticeable difference.
Exactly. Nobody really knows for certain what PFS is or how to cure it. We’ve got logical theories, some that can be tested. So we’re testing them. That’s the best we can do. Regards,
Im sry but thats just totally off base. I see that you are a supporter of home-brew insanity caroussels. This has been going on for over a decade now. Its like trying to treat cancer with herbs.
The reason why this is not only insane but also destructive, is that it diverts attention away from the real path forward: The foundation, studies and donations. People are investing in the latest homebrew methods both time wise and financially. This financial investment could go towards funding real scientific research. The invested time could go towards participation in studies, media awareness, funding campaigns and increasing ones own income.
The home brew science is actively keeping people from donating to the foundation and participating in studies. Some studies still need participants! Think about that. Reread awors post: He claims that the foundation is not receiving the support of the community that it was set up to help. Thats ridiculous! Why do you think that is the case? Because of home brew nut jobs like JQD. This home brew insanity caroussell is also costing us our reputation as a community. Read awors posts about this. He himself said that approaching scientists is difficult because of the insanity that goes on in this forum. If the foundation is not able to complete studies due to lack of participants or if they dont have the full financial support of this community, and they have to shut down, we will be in deep deep trouble. This is our last and only hope!
Do you think in court home-brew theories will hold up against merk? Dont you realize if a serious institution proves how finasteride cause PFS we will have the support of the entire medical community?
Do you really think complex medical phenomenons can be solved from the sofa by guys who are not professional researchers? What will it be this time? Asparagus??? The worn out lady called dht replacement???
Scientific research takes decades and tens of millions of dollars. If not hundreds. PFS is a relatively rare, unknown condition. Combine those factors and a scientific solution is 5-10-15 years away. MAYBE. I have wasted 9 years of my life to this bullshit. How about you? I am not waiting any longer. If the answer is simple, us homebrew nutjobs will find it ourselves through logical trial and error. If the answer is complex and requires sophisticated medical technology, we are a long way off from any help. Good luck.
You are a fucking thick headed idiot. Dont you realize that this home brew bullshit wont cure you, and that home brew “scientists” have basically no chance of ever figuring this out? Dont you see that a cure in 10 years is better than home brew bullshit for eternity.
What you are basically saying is: Oh real science costs money and takes time. Lets get back to home brew science (herbs that cure cancer) that has failed us for the last decade. I dont have time so lets waste another 10 years.
A realistic scenario: Science via foundation > prove that finasteride caused PFS > Merck gets to pay for a cure
Your scenario: we wasted 10 years via home brew (herbs to cure cancer) > lets waste another 10!!! I dont have time for real science , I am a medival peasant and proud of it.
There is no arguing with insanity, so try your hormonal replacement bs. You will not get cured by it. After you realize that JQDs protocol wont work for you, you will hopefully rejoin the land of the sane were a cure is at least in the realm of possibilty.
Ok so where the fuck are all the guys wanting to participate in the studies?? JQD wont stop them, we cant gather a bung of guys to do this in america ? Think about that, actually what you re saying is that someone like JQD has enough power to stop people from participating , are you serious? If there are so many people wanting a cure how can’t they come foward? That my friend is ludricuos.
“Home brew remedies” have improved my quality of life in huge ways and allowed me to have a big portion of my life back. Maybe that’s why I’m more supportive of this kind of thing, because I’ve had real benefits from them. If I had never had any work for me then I might be against JQD as well.
This is again totally off base. Home brew remedies have not cured any of this. Your improvement has been a result of time passing. During that time you have tried insane stuff, like eating lots of aspargus. Thus you are certain of a causal relationship, that is non existant. There is no home brew that works for everyone or for a significant number of people.
Its like saying: Well there is no scientific evidence for santa claus, but for me he is the real deal and helped me a great deal. If you continue to support such insanity, the real solution will never materialize. Nobody will support the foundation except us. It is our only hope and it is not getting the support of this community.
Pvdl, I get your point. We are all armchair scientists fucking around with drugs trying to improve our lives. Can you blame us? We are all in different stages of desperation. To really accomplish your goals of having everyone united, you should petition mew to get rid of half of the subforums of this site and link it to the pfs foundation. there is no point coming in random threads to convey your message
I dont think you discuss things fairly but just want to try to make me sound silly by changing what I actually said into something else. . I didn’t say home brew remedies have cured anything, I said it has improved my quality of life. You describe eating a lot of asparagus as insane. I like asparagus and it cost me less than five dollars and had a chance at making me feel good based on the nutrients that are in it and other peoples experience, that’s not insane that’s very practical and down to Earth.
The results I get from my “home remedies” are not because of time but a direct result of a specific remedy for a certain problem. If I feel brain fog coming on, I know how to get rid of it through a remedy. If I feel apathy and depression coming on I know a rememdy that works for me. If I lift weights and start to feel awful as I always do, I know how to remedy that. Home remedies continue to benefit me in huge ways so I will be looking for more and testing new things when it’s practical and logical to do so. I’ve been on this board reading things longer than you have so maybe you should consider that I’m not as naive about all of this as you seem to think I am.
You have no idea what you’re talking about. You can’t be any more certain there isn’t a cure in hormones, then those who are. Don’t you get that, stupid? You’re arguing the insanity of certainty, when your guilty of it yourself!!!
Another small point. It’s not either or. Either we trial hormones individually and scientific research does not advance. OR we advance the research option and forgo hormones.
I am trialing hormonal solutions AND scientific research is still continuing. Or are you blind as well?
Hormone replacement has been tested extensively by countless people on here, including awor. It is very clear by now, that it does not work. You refuse to ackknowledge this reality as you think that hormones are your last hope.
I have explained ad nauseum why the home brew insanity caroussell is hurting scientific progress and the foundation. I wont repeat it again, as you are unwilling to read what I and awor write carefully. Even if you do not read what I write, it should be clear that 1 dollar can only be spend once: Either on homebrew or on science. The same goes with time: A minute can either be spend supporting the foundation / earning income that can be donated to the foundation or on the home brew caroussel.
I understand that many people are desperate. However desperation wont get us anywhere. We cant solve this issue by acting like retarded morons, trusting medival methods. What you have a headache? Lets punch a hole in your head so that the evil spirits causing it will escape.
Think about this logically. What is the best course of action? Where is your dollar and your minute best spend?
Mew has a different philosophy of how to organize this forum.
It starts with him recommending newcomers to get blood tests. For what? Its money down the drain. He should have a banner explaining the current situation in simple terms, like I have done here. But at the end of the day, no lvl of organization can stop the insanity caroussel. Mew does not have the power to stop this crazyness.
Look guys, last night was very hard on me from PVDL, I realized I have to take a break from here. I support the foundation and the studies and everything. It’s just I do not have the strength to be attacked and put down here, this forum primarily has an anti-hormone agenda. In the US most guys with these symptoms go to HRT doctors and improve in months or years. This is nothing new, most of the US guys (like me) who have been on hormones and posted here got trashed till we left. It’s impossible to have a forum of supportive guys where I conduct research to help others here. I discovered there is an injection of DHT Androstanolone, but there is no point, I can’t post on a thread here, there is dogma here and an agenda. I am not sure what the agenda of guys here is, but I have managed to reverse about 90% of PFS with hormones.
Hormones don’t work in minutes or days, they take months and years when you have conditions like this. The majority of cases of PFS are in the US, that can’t be disputed due to this country being a pharmacy haven. None of those guys come here, Dr Jacobs told me a fraction of his patients are on the forum and Goldstein said the same thing. Last night I got very upset and was driven to my limit by PVDL, I decided for the best I should leave here and just continue to recover.
I do apologize if I said anything hurtful, but abuse is abuse, and while many here like me here and appreciate my posts. I have to look to my own health, the fact is many guys have PFS and never make the connection, they go to an HRT doctor, go on hormones and get better in months or years. Hormones have been misused on this site by guys who didn’t know much about them. You don’t go on hormones and respond in a day or a month or months or a year, if you have a condition such as this, it can take months or years. The guys who post here are usually pretty bad off.
Lots of guys seeing Dr Jacobs and Dr goldstein and they don’t post here, they go on with their life. MCI was suicidal when I met him, he was convinced hormones could not help him, but he went to an HRT doctor and he had positive responses to test. He is responding the way I predicted, not like a normal guy, but gradually over time he will recover. I will come here from time to time to post updates. I will also continue my efforts to get Androstanolone, but it is clear this site has an agenda that is anti-hormone (even though the 2 doctors helping PFS guys on here use hormones).
I have gotten worse emotionally from coming here, hearing how bad I am, how much of a liar, how evil, or crazy I am, this is not a place of support, it is a den of vipers. I was in the business of anti-aging, I saw many cases of guys with these symptoms who simply went on HRT and recovered slowly. The posters here want me gone, I contradict their dogma, that hormones don’t work for this, and that this condition is incurable. That even though the only 2 doctors treating this use hormones, they say they don’t work. Their views are based on lots of ignorance. I can no longer do this, I will continue to acquire Androstanolone and I will post in the future, but it is best I post everyone in in a while than regularly.
The majority of cases in the US who go on hormones get trashed here, they start to get better and never come back. When you know you are recovering from hormones and that what guys say here is wrong it can mess with your head. Anyone being bullied and abused and attacked and insulted on a regular basis will feel bad about themselves. This site should take down the names Dr Jacobs and Dr Goldstein, or stop preaching anti-hormone dogma. There must be 10s of thousands of US cases, all seeing anti-aging doctors and slowly getting better. The guys here haven’t even tried injectable DHT!!! The one guy who did (JN) eventually recovered and stated that it reversed his PFS.
This condition I believe is neurosteroidal estrogen dominance, the only thing that can kill off the estrogen is Androstanolone, as DHT kills estrogen. Masteron is not DHT, it blocks it, it doesn’t kill it, I think this forum has its beliefs and agendas and I am going to let it be. I have said my peace, there isn’t much more to say. I am working on getting injectable Androstanolone, when I do I will discuss it with Dr Goldstein and Dr Jacobs. I already know DHT works, I was misinformed when I first came here, told hormones don’t work, only to find out the only 2 doctors on here are treating PFS with hormones.
I like you all, and this forum, but it’s not a healthy place, I know enough to take care of myself, I was trying to help others here, but it didn’t work out. I got trashed, I (like most US guys) am on HRT, and I found specific protocols that are making me improve more and more. I will give it some thought, but maybe this just isn’t the place for someone like me and my posts. There is a reason for the lack of US guys here, if you are in the US you see these symptoms of PFS posted on posters and magazines and it says (Low T?). HRT doctors here say levels of 1200 are normal, if you don’t respond they tell you to stay on. I was looking for specific protocols to reverse symptoms for everyone here, but while many supported me, there have been vicious and hurtful attacks. I am only human, and I got crushed last night by PVDL, I gotta focus on myself now.
It is simply a lie that guys with PFS don’t respond to hormones, and the ones who haven’t responded went on and off, on and off, they don’t work like that. None of them tried Injectable DHT (Androstanolone). It would have killed off the Neuro steroidal estrogen dominance in their brain. I didn’t mean to say hurtful things, but I realize I just can’t handle this here anymore, I need to enjoy life and focus on myself. Anyone who wants to stay in communication with me just PM me and I will give you my email. I will try to come on from time to time and check messages and post updates. It’s just time to go, I am in contact with quite a few guys who have warned me about this. When you are convinced you cannot recover from this and hormones don’t work and thus Dr Jacobs and Dr Goldstein must be liars (by that logic), you will never recover. Instead of being supportive of people, people here trash others, it’s just the way it is. The idea that hormones are dangerous is very old fashioned and does not exist in the USA. I had not really given it serious thought till last night, no one believes that here, it is part of modern medicine now.
So the guys here are behind the times, I wish you all well, I hope I can come and post in the future, and check my messages, and I think I have posted PLENTY here that can help people. The fact is injectable DHT is the end here, Androstanolone, the doses I am unsure of as I do not have it, but it cannot be used alone, it must be used with testosterone, and your PFS symptoms will all reverse. This is an option if HRT pfs protocols do not work for you and you want to try something else. I suggest you try the andractim gel first (it is shitty but try it), and then go after Androstanolone injection, it is sold as raw hormone powder, it needs to be compounded into an injection. So I will look for a pharmacy that will do that somewhere overseas.
So I wish you all well, I am sad about this, but I have spent way too much time here, I am not getting paid or even appreciated, I am being abused by a small number of bad people. Anyway, I will post back in the future, thanks everyone, thank you for the forum and the research and all the hard work the foundation does. I am sorry I could not fit in here better, I just don’t have the strength to fight guys here anymore. Please take what I say serious, Androstanolone (injectable DHT) with testosterone, will reverse this in non responders, and it seems guys who have used DHT heavily seemed to recover after. I can think of JN, Towm8er, CDnuts, I think the DHT is the only thing strong enough to kill neuro steroidal estrogen, that aside it reverses all of the symptoms (when used with testosterone). DHT reversed PFS for me, I stopped to recover my system via my protocols.
So that is that, the guys who hate me here got their wish, I will look for my PM messages in the future and hopefully will update here with some cool reports in the future, thanks again.
ONE LAST THING: When I get to a state that I am more emotionally stable and strong, I may come back to share more info, if there is a huge outcry for me to come here, I may come back when I am more emotionally strong. I reversed most of PFS, but the emotional stuff from estrogen has not been perfected yet, but I am close to perfecting it. When I perfect my protocol I will post it, I think this thread will be good for guys who got PFS and want to read everything in one thread.
Thanks and hopefully see you in the near future, time for a vacation from here