Merry Christmas, brother. Will check in soon.
Regards,
Tumble, if you never crashed go on HRT and you will be cured lol, you canāt raise your test with supplements, I was in the biz I know. When you inject prop you will have your life back, but you wonāt need any special protocol. You can go on enanthate long acting and will
Be fine
A reminder for everyone who is still placing bets on JQDs extremly unoriginal hormonal replacement remedy and estrogen dominance / 5 ar defeciency theory, on what they are actually doing:
Androstanolone is injectable pure dht, I already know it works from personal experience, that with testosterone is all we need. JN came to the same conclusions and its worth noting that he did recover after using it . Itās possible that dht induces recovery, I have been conflicted on that issue as dht is suppressive of our dht, but to induce complete recovery like I had on proviron at 1 pill every hour, just need an injection. We have low dht in our brain, this results in high estrogen in our brain, we have low 5ar in our brain. Itās all neurosteroidal, we know this, we could change the lives of non responders. Give an option to everyone here to end it with an injection. Dr Goldstein is using androstanolone in gel form. Friends, this has been a long and hard journey, if I could have known when I first came here what I know now, I could have had answers right away. Ironically the solution is dht for everyone, but I believe we can recover via my protocol. Ihatepropecia has confirmed to me that after every cycle of propionate he does, he comes out with more recovery.
I also want to add that suspension has been amazing for me, amazing muscle gains like never before (except on masteron but not as much as masteron), strong libido. The only thing about suspension is my levels are all over the place, up and then they drop down. So while I have had amasing gains in every area, i have changing levels. So on a whim tonight I took DHEA with suspension, and I had some very astounding results! I will keep you guys informed, just when I was about to switch back to prop this occurred. I have never been able to consistently take DHEA due to the estrogen, but with suspension it may balance out. I have never had such results from test since Pfs (except on masteron and on masteron it was 100x better). DHEA upregulates 5ar activity, in conjunction with suspension I am impressed, will see how it plays out. Iāll Update you guys on that, this has been a very education journey for me, leading me to many solutions to pfs. One is a 24/7 extended release arimidex pill with varying doses depending on the personās level of suppression, that must be taken on test. This 24 hour arimidex pill would allow us all to respond to any form of test without problems. Then there are other guys who simply need injectable dht, there are many ways to treat pfs.
We have had reports of guys improving based on my theories, now my next goal is to reverse a non responder or prove that I am wrong. As for a stable protocol for the masses, i have a simple protocol for people to follow and stay on long term. MCI is going on this protocol, itās enanthate 100mg a week with Letro 2.5mg a day, see how that unfolds. If arimidex can be used instead, that would be preferable, it would have to be spaced out about 2-4x a day at 2-4mg a day. This is a long term easy protocol that is better than doing nothing and I think will stimulate recovery long term and provide minimal improvements slowly over time.
Iām very much excited about injectable dht, letās see how masteron turns out for Danny and Moonman and then androstanolone.
PVDL, if you disagree with my efforts that is fine, but I am conducting experiments that have not been conducted before which will help research one way or another. We are suffering from a neruosteroidal low dht disorder and no one has even tried injectable dht? Just Masteron? Along my journey several guys have started to improve, they have posted here. MCI is one of the most negative guys on the forum and now he is staying on testosterone long term after some improvements from it. So what is your point? I can continue my research off the forum if you would like me to leave. This isnāt about supplements, we are using androgens and anti androgens to correct the neurosteroidal imbalances in the brain.
I have been successful at reversing most of pfs in myself with hormones, you have seen posts here of guys improving. Do you want my experiments and research to stop? I advocate what the foundation is doing, but what im doing is not conflicting with what it is doing. When I came here this place was hopeless and filled with talk of suicide, I have seen one report after another of people improving with arimidex or other therapies based on these theories.
MCI is much happier than I have seen him since I met him, I plan to help Moonman and Dannyfc with masteron and then androstanolone. If it works their lives will be changed, if it doesnāt it will help researchers in the future. Would you like me to stop and go away? I have already brought myself to a livable point and reversed most of pfs. I can work on getting androstanolone (injectable dht) on my own and keep my results to myself, your choice, is that what you want?
If you would allow these experiments to continue, they will answer questions once and for all that will end debate. Clearly we donāt all have the same level of damage as most guys im talking to (myself included) are responding to testosterone (not normally, but responding at varying levels consistent with my theories). Wouldnāt that be something if injectable dht was it, and it was stopped before we could get there. JN tried it, it worked on him, then he moved into other things and recovered. JN lamented as I do that its a shame guys donāt have access to this drug.
Itās not true that guys with pfs donāt respond to hormones, itās the biggest lie on this forum that has caused untold harm. Most guys with pfs respond to testosterone, not normally, and need protocols like I specified. Quality life can greatly be improved, MCI has seen that and is staying on, and for non responders, injectable DHT (Androstanolone) not masteron. Masteron was to prove a point, but if actual dht is required, it should be used. From personal experience it reversed all of pfs and allowed me to respond normally to test.
Hey man, do you have exact numbers for your testosterone readings before you went on your armidex loading phase?
Iām curious to know what they are at because Iām considering trying to take armidex with my natural levels. I noticed that this is exactly what you are doing for a short period of time before you start taking testosterone. Depending on what your natural levels are, your results may be a very good example of
what I can expect on taking a AI with out testostetone.
Hey 5 alpha, be careful, according to PVDL, none of these theories are mine and everyone should stop this foolishness give up and do nothing, it canāt possibly be that anything is working for anyone according to them. Donāt fight the dogma and the system, donāt you know that this condition canāt respond to anything according to some people here? (Sarcasm).
They want to shut me down and my experiments, they want to silence me, when people are being helped and we are on the verge of a huge discovery here. Here at the Pfs forum where no one has tried injectable dht, and those who tried masteron all used them wrong. Though we donāt know that about Danny, we will do it again the right way this time, if it doesnāt work we will move to androstanolone before giving him a life long sentence!! All options should be tried, the most logical and obvious should have been first.
I completely support the experimentation thatās going on here, I also believe that the above written by awor is completely trueā¦If weāre sticking to the facts nobody has recovered using these protocols and we have no logical reason at this point to believe these protocols have a better chance of leading us to recovery than the other fifty ārecoveryā , protocols; however, they may eventually lead to something that does induce recovery and this is probably the most productive thing we can all be doing to get to a cure besides donating to the PFS Foundation.
Cdnuts, jn, jqd, and others felt good on dht. Obv the problem isnāt as simple as dht replacement. However if we can feel at least 10% better instead of 100% shit, isnāt this worth experimenting on?
There is ample evidence that hormonal replacement therapy makes most PFS patients worse not better.
This thread is another version of a old and tired approach that has been thoroughly disproven by the experiences of propeciahhelp members. Even in this thread it has already been tried and it failed; just reference Recent Quitters experiences. Mciboth is also not responding.
Of COURSE JQD will have another explanation. He is ripe for the mental home in my opinion. Totally delusional. You guys should be trying to raise funds for the foundation and get your ass to the studies done in the US. They are still looking for participants as far as I know.
I have never been trying to find a cure, I reversed most PFS symptoms in myself with specific protocols, and I developed theories to explain the gaps in the understanding of what PFS is. PVDL does not understand why my theories are different from past theories, others like 5 alpha have clearly explained the differences in my theories. My theories deal with neurosteroidal neuro estrogen dominance, the cat is out of the bag as people are already starting to feel better based on my suggested methods of using AIās symptomatically, now that is accepted here and no amount of bashing is going to change it. There are countless guys now living by AIās whereas that did not exist before, and PVDL and others want to stop and silence me.
I have been trying to develop various protocols to make life easier, to give people with PFS quality of life, sure I hope my protocols lead to the 5ar system recovering, but for now I am focused on giving people back their quality of life. I have used DHT in high doses along with testosterone and it has completely reverse PFS in every way that I could feel and sense, and it allowed me to respond to testosterone like I did before PFS. I do not understand the motives of people like Gelhead or PVDL who want me to stop, they want to silence me, to shut down my experiments.
There is dogma here that PFS is incurable, that it cannot be treated, that guys with PFS do not respond to hormones. Thus far with my experiments, we have PUBLICLY disproven this myth. Countless guys have reported response to Arimidex (and anti-androgen), and we have already heard from ihatepropecia who has come up with similar protocols as mine. He has not recovered from PFS, his 5ar system recovered enough to reduce his own testosterone to DHT to eliminate his symptoms. Ihatepropecia has confirmed that every time he finishes a cycle of hormones (my protocols btw), he comes out with more 5ar activity and healed more.
When I first came to this forum I thought this condition was hopeless, that we could not respond to hormones, 6 months later with specific protocols, I have muscles back, libido back, mood back (for the most part). I am not seeking to cure this, curing things is too much to shoot for, I have been trying to duplicate my own experiences in others here to help them. There has been a resistance here from very depressing guys who want everyone to be as miserable as they are. They are too afraid to try hormones, they lack any understanding of them, so instead they lash out and tell people that either they are dangerous or have been tried before. Yet, we know they are lying, injectable DHT has never been tried (except by JN who recovered after BTW). JN lamented the same frustration as I, that Testosterone and injectable DHT reverse this in everyone completely.
CDnuts was using protocols that were similar to mine, but they were composed of underground hormones that were pro hormones, one of them was DHT. A pro hormone is a hormone that is created after it passes your liver (thus making it not an illegal steroid to sell). However, the pro hormone CDnuts used was shut down by the FDA. CDnuts recovered after DHT use, I am not claiming DHT is a cure, and I have been inducing my own DHT in attempt to recover my system, and I have been recovering. However, there are non responders here that I believe are too far suppressed and extremely neuroestrogen dominant, and none of them have tried DHT replacement.
DHT (like Testosterone) cannot be effectively used in a pill or a gel, it may work for some, and not for others, DHT gel was too weak for me, and DHT pill (Proviron) was too weak, I required 24 pills a day, 1 every hour. JN required the same amount, and he came to the same conclusions as I did and injected DHT. There seems to be a connection between DHT use and recovery, Masteron IS NOT DHT, it does not kill estrogen, it merely blocks it. We need a potent hormone that gets into the brain and kills the neuroestrogen dominance, there is only one hormone that does that, DHT. The gel is not strong enough, an injection is, some guys here who are non responders may be stuck so far in a neuroestrogenic dominant cycle that only DHT injections can fix it.
Why is there resistance when I am not arguing theories here, I am conducting experiments that have never been conducted before. I am on my way to acquire Androstanolone (injectable DHT) and have a non responder try it with test. We can explain why Masteron may not work, it blocks and doesnāt kill, I experienced that myself, had it killed estrogen like DHT, I would have remained on it. PFS studies confirm what I am saying, that neurosteroids in the brain are consistent with what I am saying, low DHT and high estrogen (estradiol). Instead of working with me, there are people here fighting me, they have no better option, they just simply want to shut me down, silence me. Through my work people are improving, we have had posts of people improving,
Through my research I discovered a couple things, one is that an extended release 24 hour version of Arimidex would allow most guys here to respond normally to any type of testosterone and live normally. The second thing I discovered is that there is an injectable form of DHT called Androstanolone, and the 1 guy who experimented with it, reported full reversal and then later he recovered. He may not have drawn the connection of his recovery to the DHT injections, but he recovered. Cdnuts experimented with a pro hormone version of DHT multiple times, and recovered. The DHT obviously is breaking the neuro estradiol cycle in the brain, again, MASTERON IS NOT DHT, it does not kill estrogen, if DHT were readily available, this forum would be filled with recovery and reversal stories.
I fully support the studies being done here for PFS, but I am not interested in sitting around on this forum arguing about how evil Merck is and who is going to commit suicide next. I have found ways to improve my quality of life and reverse PFS symptoms, and now I have discovered that DHT does in fact exist, I think many of us have looked for it in injectable form and never found it. PVDL, why are you against me? Is it because you do not understand what I am talking about? Can you point me to where and when any guy besides JN (who reversed and also recovered later) used injectable DHT, even once? You say this has been done before, but a simple logical and obvious treatment of full DHT replacement has never been tried??? And you want me to stop??? WHY???
Your walls of text without real content clearly demonstrate that you are mentally unstable.
There is not one person on this forum that has had significant improvement with your protocols. You claim that there are people even though there arent, which shows just how delusional and ill you are.
Let me remind the rest of you what Recent Quitter (who was promoted by JQD as an exemplerary success case) had to say about JQD protocols:
PVDL, you are ignorant about hormones, I am responding to them and ihatepropecia is responding to them, it required special protocols, and if testosterone is not doing anything for MCI, why has he chosen to remain on it? Have you asked him? He has had improvements and is remaining on Testosterone long term. There have been countless stories here of guys on protocols that reduce estrogen and stimulate DHT (like Praying To Heal). Yes we get it about the studies, but Dr Goldstein is a doctor and Dr Jacobs is a doctor, both are using hormones to treat PFS, you are not a doctor, and you are wrong.
Guys only get worse when using hormones doing so incorrectly and then stopping and putting themselves in a new level of neuroestrogen dominance. You think I should be in a mental institution because I have reversed most PFS symptoms with hormones and am trying to conduct experiments to help people? Is your thinking so confined that you do not understand there are varying levels of damage and suppression? Most PFS sufferers respond to testosterone, it requires lowering estrogen and inducing DHT with specific protocols, guys who do not respond require full DHT replacement, Dr Goldstein came to the same conclusion and is treating it with success. You do know that this forum encompasses only the guys who have not successfully treated PFS? Dr Jacobs (and Dr Goldstein who I called BTW) both told me the majority of PFS sufferers are NOT ON THIS FORUM.
It is just easy for you to boldly state that guys don't respond to hormones with PFS, no, the guys who don't use them correctly stay behind on this forum to read your miserable mistruths and lies. The ones who have any sense go on protocols with Dr Jacobs or Dr Goldstein and then DHT replacement and move on. The ones who do not respond are in the minority and come to this forum, and the only one who tried injectable DHT was JN and it worked and he recovered, yet you ignore this. Let's face it PVDL, you just don't understand my theories, or much about hormones, you are afraid to try any of them, and it makes you feel much safer and sounder to sit around doing nothing to make everyone believe your dogma that this condition is irreversible. It just makes you feel better, I mean if everyone believes that this is irreversible then it is just easier for you, you don't have to ever worry about trying anything. People like me on the other hand, JN, Legendary, Praying To Heal, anyone who has reversed this with hormones has been attacked, shunned and eventually moved on and left this forum.
Don't worry, I will eventually leave here, I am not going to continue on past Androstanolone, I am doing it simply to help the non responders. I have already reversed 90% of PFS with hormones (which you say is impossible), andI will not stay here forever, it is pointless arguing with people like you. You are so blind and narrow minded that you do not even want experiments to continue. This forum is a joke, a condition that results in neurosteroidal DHT deficiency and no one has tried injectable DHT, and you claim nothing works. The first thing a researcher who knows his shit will say is "why not DHT replacement?" Gels and pills are good for a boost, but not as a medical treatment. Some guys lucky enough to not have enough damage respond to the DHT gel, and to the hormonal treatments, others like Dannyfc require injectable DHT.
Somehow I have a feeling though, that no one here is ever going to try injectable DHT, I had hoped that my work could be shared here, that I could help others as I had helped myself. This forum is so filled with vitriol and hatred and bitterness that when one approach does not work, all are ruled out, rather than progressing to the next logical action. Don't worry, you will get your wish eventually, I will move on if injectable DHT is not tried here. Dr Jacobs specifically told me the vast number of PFS cases are not on this forum, he told me this is a very "small number" of cases here, most recover with hormones and don't come here, the same with Dr Goldstein. Let's face it PVDL, you are a coward, and cowards are all the same, they are governed by fear, rather than being a fighter like me, you have already resigned to your own self defeat. I suppose that is the difference between you and I, I have lowered my estrogen and induced DHT, so I am a man, and I am not afraid, and you are estrogen dominant and so you are like a girl, afraid of everything, I get it, good luck with that man...PVDL, you are a coward living in Germany in a socialist country with no access to hormones, you have no understanding of anything scientific. Research does not stop based on 1 case, it continues and finds a solution, you canāt seem to explain why I have responded to hormones, or why others have, why ihatepropecia has stated that the very same protocols I am using induces recovery in himself every time he gains more 5ar activity. There have been plenty of posts of guys improving, but you never respond to them, and I guess RecentQuitter should give up and blow his brains out huh? He is suicidal and without a solution he will kill himself, since Dr Goldstein is using a weak form of DHT with success, you deny RecentQuitter should even try that and if that fails should even try injectable DHT? Should he just give up and blow his brains out? Tell us, we would be fascinated to hear your response.
If hormones donāt work why is Dr Goldstein using them and Dr Jacobs? You are a JOKE and the forum are a minority of PFS sufferers. The majority are not on here going on about how there is no hope and hormones donāt work and PFS is incurable, they are being treated, both Dr Jacobs and Dr Goldstein told me this. YOU are the minority, this forum is a small number of PFS cases. PFS IS being treated with hormones already, you are wrong, I am trying to develop better treatments.
PFS IS BEING TREATED WITH HORMONES ALREADY BY DR GOLDSTEIN AND DR JACOBS, THIS FORUM IS A MINORITY OF PFS SUFFERERS MOSTLY IN THE UK AND GERMANY WHO DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO HORMONES. Have you noticed most guys here are in the UK and european countries? Ever wondered were all the US guys are? Dr Jacobs and Goldstein told me they have lots and lots of patients responding to hormonal therapies, I am attempting to find better hormonal therapies. MOST of the guys on this forum are in countries where there is no access to hormones, all the Americans donāt come here, they get treated by anti-aging doctors or Goldstein and Jacobs and move on with their life. This forum is for those against hormones who want to try a natural approach, you have been proven wrong without me saying a word. You just canāt come here to see a Dr to treat you and are too afraid to order hormones and try them, thatās all there is to it.
BOTH DR JACOBS AND DR GOLDSTEIN TOLD ME A MINORITY OF PFS SUFFERERS MAKE UP THIS FORUM
I have already reversed 90% of PFS, I donāt need to come here and argue with an estrogen dominant woman, when I leave you can tell newcomers how I was lying and Dr Goldstein is a liar and Dr Jacobs is a liar. Letās face it PVDL, the lack of US sufferers on this forum is VERY TELLING. The one country with extensive Hormone replacement medicine has plenty of doctors treating PFS patients. MCI spent 6 months on here before he went to an anti-aging doctor, I pushed him to go, he thought he would not respond, and he is responding (just like I told him he would, not normally, but enough and he will improve in time). He is staying on Testosterone, he was suicidal when I me this, and he has really started to change since he started test, you are a liar. Where are all the US sufferers? A country of this big? Where are they all? Why are most guys here form Europe or the UK? Could it be that the US has endless hormone replacement therapy doctors who are treating pfs patients like Dr Goldstein and Dr Jacobs? Perhaps my posting here is an entire waste of my time.
Unlike you, MCI went down the street to a local anti-aging doctor who began to treat him with hormones immediately, You are a joke. MOST US guys never make the connection of their problems to Propecia, they simply go to an anti-aging doctor and start to recover. The doctor tells them what mine told me, stay on the hormones and you will recover in time, and guess what, that is exactly what I am doing. Not go on and go off and try different hormones, I have stayed on and thatās why I am recovering, thatās why there are barely any US guys here, thatās why MCI didnāt go to an anti aging doctor till I pushed him. Why? This forum is harmful to guys by preaching dogma about hormones not working, it is all bullshit. 6 months in on hormones and I have 90% symptoms reversed, if I want to go on DHT I will go on it, I am done arguing with bitter eurotrash with socialized medicine and no access to modern hormone replacement therapy.
Letās face it, this can be improved with anti-aging doctors and hormone replacement, you just donāt have it in Germanyā¦
Your theories are crashing back down to earth. Your Messiah status that you basked in is deteriorating.
Now you are formulating what amounts to conspiracy theories just to save a few more days of ego pumping Messiah glory?
I guess Harvard doesnt know that a cure has already been found by Dr. Jacobs. I guess Dr. Jacobs is too lazy to post his cure on this forum. Laughable.
The facts for the sane members of this forum (excluding JQD):
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Hormonal replacement remedies in a great varierty have been tried by numerous members of this forum (including awor) and they have failed.
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JustQuitDut has promoted numerous members experiences with his protocol as exemplerary success cases, only for them to come on here and post that they have had no success (RecentQuitter). They have then been met by extreme resentment and blamed for their failure by the doctor prescribing the medicine: JQD.
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JustQuitDut is mentally unstable and posting walls of text to silence criticism.
No one is talking about a cure here you moron.
WHERE ARE ALL THE US GUYS??? Letās face it, this forum is comprised of mostly guys in the UK and Europe, thatās it, a minority are in the US, are only PFS cases in the UK and Europe? No, Dr Jacobs and Dr Goldstein specifically told me MOST PFS sufferers are NOT ON THIS FORUM. This is just where guys go who donāt have access to anti-aging medicine, when a guy in the US gets PFS they go to an anti-aging doctor and stay on hormones and start to recover like I am doing, thatās why there are very few US guys here. The ones who come here read all this bullshit about non response and never go and see a doctor. As for RecentQuitter, he is going to follow Dr Goldsteinās DHT protocol, so you are a fucking moron, he will probably get better and that will be it. This forum is for guys who donāt live in the US and donāt have access to anti-aging doctors. THANKFULLY I saved yet another life by pushing MCI to go to an anti-aging doctor, and he is already responding, and says he is staying on testosterone. You just live in a medical 3rd world country, guys here have an agenda with the studies, it is all just for lawsuits. You continue to promote these lies that guys with PFS donāt respond to hormones based on a few cases of guys going on and off hormones. When my anti-aging doctor told me to go on and stay on and not go off and I would recover, 6 months later I am recovering, face reality buddy
RecentQuitter is now going on DHT gel and will probably improve, he is listening to a US doctor, I donāt care what some eurotrash thinks of me. My coming here has been a waste of time, now I see whatās going on, you donāt have anti-aging medicine in Europe, so you want everyone to remain as miserable and hopeless as you. Well, you almost got Recent Quitter and MCI, but not anymore, they are on hormones. If RecentQuitter read more posts here he would blow his brains out, MCI too. By your logic he shouldnāt go on DHT gel and should give up and donate to your studies so you can further your agenda which is just to file lawsuits, you have no interest in anyone having an improvement in quality of life. It is all about money, Dr Jacobs was right, this place is a minority of PFS sufferers, most are seeing doctors and being treated and improving, I am done wasting my time with you.
You are a MORON Hormonal medicine is not to be used once and then stopped, or to be used for a few months to see if you respond and then stopped, it is to be started and stayed on and to recover. You donāt know what the FUCK you are talking about, an anti-aging doctor tells you to stay on hormones and not go off and recover. All there are here are stories of guys trying one hormone after another, starting and stopping, starting and stopping. There are no stories of guys staying on hormones for years, and the one I read the guy recovered, most guys just go to doctors here and stay on hormones, they donāt come argue with bitter little women who have no access to hormone doctors and want to drag everyone down to their hell.
You fucking nutjob. It has already been tested by numerous members on this forum. This forum exists since 2006. Numerous members have tried what you suggest with the consultation of doctors. It has not worked!!
Answer these simple questions you delusional moron:
- If there is a remedy in the US, why does the foundation exist?
- If there is a remedy called hormon replacement, why have the vast majority of member on this forum including Recent Quitter reported negative results?
- If there is a remedy in the US why are leading medical institutions investigating PFS?
You ARE INSANE! You dont have prove that the majority of members are located in the EU (more than what would be expected anyway due to population differences)! Even if you had, it would prove nothing!!!
Get your head examined.
Most guys in the US with this condition go to anti-aging doctors and stay on hormones and never go off, RecentQuitter went on for 9 months and went off and stayed off, now he is worse. So he is going back on and going on DHT gel (which Dr Goldstein told him to do and he never has done before). Medical institutions are investigating PFS because this foundation exists and raised money to get studies going. That does not answer why Dr Jacobs and Dr Goldstein both told me the majority of PFS sufferers are not on this forum, and Dr Jacobs has countless guys who have responded and recovered.
You just live in a backwards country, you don't understand that here guys go on to doctors who treat them and they recover over time. MOST guys who have these symptoms do not connect them to Finasteride, they go to an anti-aging doctor and stay on hormones and get better in months or years. Hormone treatments are not something you go on for a few months hoping they work and then go off. I have been on hormones as my doctor told me, and 6 months later I have 90% of the symptoms reversed.
If you go on hormones and go off and go on and go off, you get worse, the US CLEARLY has more guys who have taken finasteride than Europe and the UK put together, that is indisputable. We are a pharmacy haven, but yet a VERY small number of us guys are here, why??? I used to run a medical company, I saw countless cases of guys with these symptoms who went on hormones and recovered in months or years, no one ever called it "PFS." My anti-aging doctor told me to stay on hormones and I would get better, he never heard of "PFS," he just knows these as symptoms that he treats with hormones, and he was right, I got better and better by staying on hormones.
You tout that you have studies going on in the US, but anyone can get studies going on in the US if they have money, and this is a legitimate medical condition. My point is that most guys who have it in the US go to an anti-aging doctor and get treated and recovery in months or years. This forum is not filled with stories of guys going on hormones and staying on (like me), I found one story of a guy here who went on hormones and in 2 years was 50% better and in 4 years was 100% better. Praying To Heal came here and went to an anti-aging doctor and went on a protocol, but he was already on hormones from another doctor and got better and better, and finally found an even better doctor and got better.
I am wasting my time here, logic answers the question, the most cases of PFS would exist in the US, and yet the least number of people here are in the US. Dr Jacobs and Dr Goldstein both told me this forum has only a "Fraction" of the PFS sufferers, Dr Jacobs told me that, he used that exact word. My Anti-aging doctor was familiar with these symptoms, he said he had patients who had them, that they go away in time, just staying on hormones you recover. You don't go on for 3 months and go off, and go on and go off, you go on and stay on under a doctor's care.
I got brainwashed coming here, I thought I was helping, but now I realize this place was started out of the lack of anti-aging medical care in the UK and in europe. Not having those doctors you guys created this site, and the theme of this site is that hormones are bad for you and dangerous and don't work. Yet we have no reports of guys here going on hormones and staying on under the care of a doctor (like me) and recovering. This forum just fucks with your head, no one would dispute that the majority of PFS cases have to exist in the US. Dr Jacobs and Dr Golstein are using hormones to treat PFS sufferers. Hormones are not a cure, they do not work like that, you go on them, stay on them and your body improves over time.
You don't know what the hell you are talking about, I have completely wasted my time here, if you had anti-aging medicine in europe and the UK, this forum would probably not exist. Even a guy without PFS who goes on hormones and goes off and on and off and stays off gets worse. HRT (not TRT by the way) is something you go on for life, and it is not a cure, it is a treatment for a lot of conditions, and the few posts from US guys I read that were on hormones never came back here.
This is total bullshit, MCI was convinced he would not respond to testosterone, and he never went on, I pushed him, and he is on and he is improving, it will take him time like me, but he will get better staying on (which he plans to do). I am sure RQ will get better from the gel, but had he stayed on hormones like I have, he would improve in time. He didn't go to an anti-aging doctor, he came to this hellhole and got brainwashed and it drove him insane. He even told me he wanted to stay away from here, that it brings him to a dark place, and I agree. I will leave you europeans and UK guys to argue amongst yourself while I continue to recover, it is pointless.
Before I came to this forum regularly I was happy, I was improving, and since then I have improved even more, but I am less happy as I have continued to come here reading stories of hopelessness that now I can discredit. Logic proves my point, if hormones didn't work, this forum would be FILLED with US guys, there is no disputing more US guys took finasteride than all the guys in the UK and europe combined! The symptoms of PFS are on signs and in newspapers all over the US and say to go to an anti-aging doctor, and guys do, they go on hormones and they improve. Sometimes it takes months, sometimes it takes years, but they don't come here. The few US guys who came here who went on hormones never came back.
I am done wasting my time in your hell, you can live in it if you want, that is your choice, but the fact that someone doesn't respond to hormones in 1 day is meaningless and shows how backward and primitive you are. It took me 6 months to get to where I am on hormones consistently never stopping. Every guy I know is on hormones here, many of them did take months to respond and in some cases gradually got better and better over years, that is how it works for some guys. Those guys probably took finasteride, otherwise this forum would be FILLED with US guys, but it is not, why??? I think I have just given you your answer, I am about the only US guy here seeing an anti-aging doctor, and most of the guys I am talking to are in the UK or europe.
The 2 guys I am talking to in the US 1 started hormones (MCI) and says he is not stopping, and the other (RQ) never saw an anti-aging doctor because of this forum brainwashing him and putting him into a dark place. Now he is going on DHT gel as Dr Goldstein recommended. I am going back to living, I am not going to stick behind in a hell you have manifested for yourselves due to lack of proper medical care.