He will feel great, have libido and sexual function for the first time in 10 years, his muscles will get big, he must be on test or it will do nothing. He plans to be on test prop, since masteron is not dht but a close copy, it will do everything dht does, except it will block estrogen instead of killing it. This means if estrogen gets too high he will have water retention and some emotional feelings, but if test it kept at Pfs doses with an AI he should be fine.
He will immediately start searching for actual dht after he experiences it, I quit masteron to heal naturally for the reasons I specified. If a doctor could prescribe it or it was readily available I would have it here now. I have to find out how to get the powder made into an injectable. Need to find a compound pharmacy in Europe or something.If anyone wants to help, we need to find Androstanolone in injection form, it only exists from what I could find in powder form that must be mixed with an oil to create an injectable. Help and look for s compound pharmacy that will do that for is, there is plenty of it in powder form, there must be compound pharmacies who mix that for people. We must find one in some country in the world and buy the powder and send it to them. Then we wouldnāt need an AI with masteron, we would take dht injection and it would replace our dht and kill off estrogen perfectly.
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So there is such a thing as pure DHT out there. Its seems like its called āPure Androstanoloneā.
I dont know how safe this web site might be , but I guess they have it in liquid form all ready.
Check this oneā¦
http://anabolics-online.com/drostanolone-injection-10ml-drostanolone-propionate1ml100mg-p-246.html
Drostanolone is Masteron, close, but not DHT, but as I explained, it will work enough to demonstrate to everyone how real DHT could help us. We need Androstanolone aka Stanolone.
I donāt think aworās opnions on permanetly damaged 5 alpha reductase function and about how such thing is not possible is in line with JQDās theory. In other words if I understand your point you are saying hey guys listen really smart people have already thought of this and it ended up being a dead end, JQD is not the first.
But the thing is he is the first to come up with the type of estrogen domience throry he talks about. In your above referenced thread Awor posted the following:
If our 5AR is presumably dead, why does supplementation of DHT either get no response or even makes things worse? No, it is NOT estrogen! Before you claim this, get your estrogens tested before and after supplementing DHT. Donāt fool yourself. And I am not talking about short term improvements, I am talking continuous supplementation at normal doses for at least 2 months.
Why is everybody so sure that Adiol-G needs to be in the highest range in order to be able to get an errection? Finsucks asked this question once in the Adio-G thread. Since this thought doesnāt fit in the picture he just got ignored.
Clearly Awor wrote āno itās not estrogenā. Therefor Awor was clearly not considering a type of estrogen domience in result of or that is occurring because of a damaged 5 AR system like JQD is stateing.
Awor also wrote hey look just go get your estrogen levels checked to rule that in or out.
The main point of JQDās theory is that first off we are dealing with estrogen domience on a level that canāt be checked by blood work
And secondaly
What is a normal Estrogen level in guys with out this syndrome is not whatās a normal estrogen level for us. (When I say normal Iām referring to what are estrogen levels need to be for us to feel right)
As I have said before Iām on bored with seriously considering JQDās theory. But like you I have experienced getting worse with AIās.
But honestly man I would still give this a chance. Correcting the type of estrogen domience JQD speaks of is uncharted territory and itās very difficult for us to say that we took the right ai dose with the right amount of testosterone in our systems to come to a valid conclusion
Awor also never tried masteron, he improperly tried proviron and Andractim, both drugs did nothing for me, proviron did after taking it every hour for 2 days at 24 pills a day. Soon I'll prove to everyone here im right as Moonman goes on masteron. The problem is neurosteroidal, all these androgen and anti androgens affect neurosteroids. An injection of dht would make us feel great and kill off all the estrogen in our bodies. I already know, I tried it, while masteron's molecular difference to dht makes it block and not kill estrogen, it will demonstrate im right.
I have been saying this for months, ok, maybe there are non responders, though, I think it would take months to establish that. That aside, if people don't want to wait and are ready to blow their brains out, why can't they have dht? The gel is a joke and a big joke at that, I tried the gel and nothing happened. So what this is going to come to us us finding some compound pharmacy in some country somewhere that mixes this stuff for people. If they don't, we will learn how to do it ourselves, but after Moonman is shown to reverse, then people hopefully will take this serious.
It's clear why Pfs has never been treated, there isn't an injectable form of dht! The closest thing is masteron and that's on the black market, and only 1 guy here used it right and he came to my conclusions. You know, had anyone here who tried masteron bothered to read a body builder forum, they would see masteron cannot be taken alone without test, so to use it improperly and then declare it doesn't work is a joke. Yet every story of a guy using it almost, tells of improvement before it shuts down their test and dht. The ones who felt nothing had low levels, masteron isn't used without test. The guys here who have developed the "androgen resistance theory" in their infinite wisdom causing who knows how many guys to off themselves are assholes!!
I don't care if I get banned, how do you declare androgen resistance without even trying dht or understanding what's going on here. The Pfs neurosteroidal study supports my theories, the guys had low dht and high estradiol. Just wait, Moonman will have his masteron soon, and this will be settled. It just angers me when I hear androgen resistance. Then people say that I am just lucky and respond, no! I read all the posts, my response has been the same as everyone else, I am just living like a heroin addict right now to keep my hormones going.
This isn't going to end until there are options for everyone, most importantly the dht injectable option, and we can rally to legitimize it. Maybe dr Jacobs or Goldstein could get it accepted for us here and made. If there is a treatment that would help everyone, we should focus half our efforts on it, I already know it is true. Haven't seen one instance of a guy with Pfs on testosterone with the proper doses of test and masteron not responding.He isnāt the first to tell me that happened, and all those guys kept at it and are still on it, it was too high of a dose for being off test, should have been 0.25mg. Also he said he felt good for 12 hours, that shouldnāt be neglected.
Ihatepropecia found a site that said they will āsuspend it in liquid,ā which is great! He also was wondering if we can just mix it with bac water and inject it subcutaneously, we will have to research this. I canāt post the link as new does not allow steroid site link posts, Iāll pm to who asks.
Already contacted them, awaiting a response since yesterday, we have another source im going to contact.
ALSO: testosterone suspension seems to be leveling off at 10mg a day, took me a few days for my system to adjust, gonna see how the next week or so plays out. Have only required 2 doses of Letro 2.5mg today. My goal is to get to 1 dose and stable and then get to arimidex, if I cannot Iāll then try lowering the dose to 5mg, but 10mg should be low enough, we will see, so far finally some stabilization, going to take a couple more weeks to judge.
but JQD if we use pure DHT injections, how does that help our 5 ar system? Wouldnāt that just shut down our own dht and surpress some T as well? I know they main thing is to convert T to Dht but we
still need 5AR for other stuff too right?
ALSO, hope this DHT is source is legit. itd be nice to know there is a fall back option boys
keep us posted as to what they say when they contact u J-Dawg
There are two recovery istories where arimedex is involvedā¦
the first one
1750ās post
and the second one from italysideeffectās friend
It seems like its not easy to find the right balance between these two hormones.
We could also try out liquid anavar. Low liver toxicity
A very good question, one to which I have an answer, when I started masteron while on test, I couldnāt understand why I was responding to test because of masteron. The purpose of testosterone is that it converts to dht (and does all the wonderful stuff dht does) and dht kills estrogen. So I couldnāt figure out why it was working, and when testosterone got low, it would work less and less. So finally I realized that the masteron was acting as a 24/7 injectable estrogen blocker. Ontop of blocking estrogen, it was replacing my low dht.
So my 5ar was working, my dht was suppressed as estrogen rose, but because of masteronās potency, estrogen only affected water retention and gave me anxiety and all that. Did not affect libido and penis and muscles. I have all the effects of dht and testosterone with very little 5ar activity, so masteron bypasses 5ar allrogether.
Had it been actually dht, it would have killed estrogen and I would have not had water retention or emotional effects. I know this due to taking high doses of proviron spaced out over hours (24 pills). Yes it will shut down dht, it may inhibit recovery, or some day the pressence of dht increases 5ar. It may or may not inhibit our recovery, it probably will, but if some guys are non responders and others are suicidal, itās better than the barrel of a gun.
We would not notice low 5ar while on it and testosterone, we would be having full benefits of dht and test, so it would essentially reverse every guy here, both responder and non responder. I found a source for dht powder and the company says they make it injectable. I will be ordering some straight away, I want the option. There isnāt one guy here who this wouldnāt change their life, dht gets into the brain and regulates estrogen in the brain and increases neurosteroidal dht. I know this is true as masteron did all of those things for me.
What gives me more optimism than you guys is my masteron use, had I not reversed every single Pfs symptom with a shot, I would feel differently. When I took it I felt like shit, I was low everything, and it brought me to life, quitting it was a difficult decision. Going on dht will be a fall back, but some guys may not have the option, having actual dht is awesome! Moonman will be the experiment, but Iām getting this stuff asap. Anyone wants the link, pm me.
Iām hopeful thereās something to this, eager to see what happens, and ready to try something along these lines myself. But I should point out that dannyfc wrote in this thread more than two months ago that he had used Masteron with testosterone. Hereās the post:
viewtopic.php?f=27&t=9865&hilit=prop+masteron+dannyfc#p90514
Now, he doesnāt say how much he was using, but he is saying that he used it in combination with testosterone. And not just any kind of testosterone ā testosterone propionate. He also has an earlier post from July in which he mentions using Masteron, although he doesnāt specify there that it was in combination with testosterone:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9299&start=80&hilit=dannyfc+masteron#p86642
Still, when you say that only one other person here has taken T and Masteron simultaneously, thereās strong reason to suspect that this isnāt the case.
So I am talking to some people from the forum, now that we found a source for injectable dht, I will acquire it. I plan to start a legal battle to get this drug legitimized for long term use. Iām not going on it now, but I want it incase I make that decision, some here have no choice. After Moonman is reversed with masteron, we will move to actual dht. It will kill estrogen in the brain and raise dht levels in the brain and body. I already know it works, I tried it, I have read post after post and everyone responds the same way.
I know we have an uphill battle from here in the forum and with the doctors and the law, but Iām fighting it. Moonman will be my evidence, if others follow we can get them to get this actual dht and prove it works.
Update: We heard back from the source, itās just powder, they donāt put it in liquid or oil, so back to the search. What we need is a place that makes it into an oil or liquid I injectable. If not then we look for a compound pharmacy that mixes it for us, prob in another country. The search and battle begins, in the interim, I will remain on my protocol stimulating recovery. I will keep modulating until I find a perfect protocol of suspension or propionate, I encourage everyone to do the same. So far I am having the most gains with suspension, propionate had a more steady test level though, but suspension has given me lots of gains I never got before, muscle, etcā¦
Please search everyone