This is a very good post and shows how people like JustQuitDut are going round and round in a pattern that has been going on for years.
A quick update:
I have been using BioT cream for ~12 days. I felt an increase in energy and a small libido increase on the 3rd day. Pretty flat after the 3rd day. Got the T shot yesterday. So between the cream and shot my levels have to be much higher then before. Only thing I noticed so far is better sleep last night. I also had a piss boner for the first time since this disaster began. Other then that no significant changes. Sensation is still low, libido is non-existent, brain fog still there. I had crushed my E just before the shot. As of this am my joints are not hurting like before. If I start to feel High E2 sides I will re-dose AI and see how I feel.
Guys, JQD has mentioned a few things in these recent posts that really clicked with my experience.
In bb world, we all know the masteron makes test work better. When I took masteron, I was beyond a recovered state, and yes, I was on exogenous test of course. Masteron alone will shut you down. You need to supplement with test. Of course, I shut down my own endogenous (what little there was) DHT production, and had huge estrogen sides that I needed TONS of AI to mitigate.
Now, JQD said that DHT will help test work better! YES! That was the part that just clicked with me. DHT will make test work correctly, just like masteron, but DHT will permanently disable estrogen, unlike masteron. This is the part we are missing. 5ar/DHT will allow you to use your test. If you canât reduce it to DHT, well it goes to estrogen, and thatâs the end of it.
My labs have always shown mid level DHT, even when on cycle. The DHT would just not bump up, and what do you know, I was always quick to estrogen sides and needed tons of AI. Also, the compounds, mainly test, never reacted the same in me as they did others, probably because I didnât have enough 5ar (DHT) activity to utilize them properly. So, they sat around, and the test went to estrogen and hence my need for large AI dosing. This is nothing new, but the idea that DHT makes all compounds work better is common knowledge in bb world, and I had forgotten about it. Thanks JQD.
Well, over my time of cycling, my DHT has slowly begun to rise, and my responses to cycles has been getting better as well. This makes sense. The cycles are some how allowing me to create more DHT, and more DHT is allowing the compounds to work better. My last cycle, which was EQ, pushed my DHT to a new level, upper 60âs, and it has been my best cycle yet.
Dude, how do you explain how I have Pfs reversed, or the other guys improving? Awor never tried Masteron! He gave up and declared himself androgen insensitive after trying Proviron and Andractim, Andractim didnât work for me and Proviron didnât till I took 24 pills a date for a couple days spaced out. Whatâs your point? Would you like me to stop the experiment? Or stop posting about it? I have already tried Masteron and it reversed Pfs, JN did the same and actually got injectable DHT and mixed it himself and it worked.
What is your point? If you would like I can stop posting my progress and Moonman and I will just do this off the forum, he doesnât care, he barely comes on here. We already know Masteron works, any guy with Pfs who did it right it worked for. So tell me what you want me to do Gelhead and Finbasteride, Iâll do it, you want me to stop posting, Iâll go off here and just finish this privately. Itâs your call, Iâll let both of you guys make the decision and Iâll follow it. Stop the experiment and end it here? I will stop posting about it, When Moonman goes on Masteron the nuclear option, I will never post it here, your call, so what do you want?
Ihatepropecia, that can't be true! According to gelhead and finbasteride, we are androgen insensitive and DHT doesn't work. Awor made that very clear, even though he never tried it, his conclusion is fact, kind of like the bible. Don't question that ihatepropecia, you can't be getting better, must be in your head, my theories that 5ar recovers can't be true according to gelhead and finbssteride. You should immediately get off all hormones and accept what Gelhead and Finbasteride say. Somehow we are imagining our response to dht, we also should stop all further progress and experiments and research, Gelhead and Finbasteride said we should. Let's change the topic, how about let's talk about suicide, anyone suicidal today? Or how about how evil Merck is, yea, Merck is so evil and they have spies and secret agents everywhere, they control the media, the government, society! Hell, maybe they control this forum! Don't question the status quo, Gelhead and Finbasteride have made it clear that we can't possibly be right, it's all in our heads.
Stop all this now, just realize that Gelhead and Finbasteride are right, forget sex and muscles, there are other things, like insulting each other on this forum. Don't you think it's much more productive to cancel all experiments and research and start attacking one another again? Gelhead and Finbasteride have our best interests, don't you see they are trying to help everyone here by showing how our situation is hopeless and even though we tell them Masteron works, it's meaningless...
Cynicism aside, I have gone out of my way not to fight, not to attack, and I am working tirelessly (with success) to solve Pfs. I am conducting real life experiments that are providing data to help treat Pfs, but Gelhead and Finbasteride can't even be grateful of my efforts. Instead they want to silence me, and stop scientific progress. Gelhead and Finbasteride are so convinced this condition is untreatable, incurable, that they ignore posts about Masteron, and they are just trying to shut me down. Why!?!? I don't understand it, if we are conducting real life experiments, why try to silence me and stop it? How can this condition be treated, when people like JN have known for years DHT injectable works, but there are people who just are dead set convinced that nothing can ever work. Even though they know very little about what they are saying. So while im busting my ass 24/7, while I have made extensive progress on myself, while you have confirmed all im saying ihatepropecia, they don't want this. Can someone tell me their motivation? Or why they can't be supportive of this? If they are convinced that their condtion is untreatable and incurable, why bother even coming here? Why not just go do something else since there is no way to treat this according to them? Can someone explain this to me, I just don't get it. They could be supportive, emotionally and try to learn from this, but they want no part of that, they want all this to be shut down. They are like the doctors who don't believe Pfs exists, they don't believe it can be treated. Yet anyone with any scientific knowledge knows dht works, the only reason this hasn't been treated long ago is due to the non existence of prescription dht both commercially or on the black market. No doctor can prescribe masteron even, and only JN used it right with success, I don't get it!!!!!!!?!Great news MCI! According to Gelhead and Finbasteride you canât respond to testosterone, the piss boner was a figment of your imagination. Keep in mind guys without Pfs take weeks to respond to injectable test. With this condition it will take time to restore your 5ar. However, best to listen to Finbasteride and Gelhead, itâs kn your head, testosterone canât possibly be doing anything, because they said so!
For the record, I would like Gelhead and Finbasteride to recover, my work will help them, I just donât know why they are trying to silence us and stop is, it doesnât make sense. This isnât a debate, these are research experiments based on reversal protocols that have worked for us, so they want to stop the experiments!! Why!?
Why?
Because the last two times I ve taken drugs, ai that you suggested, I ve felt like garbage. The past week has been a horror show as I already said. I m sure u can understand why that makes me reluctant to take more experimental drugs.
Mc has not proclaimed reversal and has said he is still in a bad way to me personally. Moon man who you tout as making major progress has also stated he has not seen huge positive effect. Recent quitter is also non responsive. I hope you all get better with hrt, I really do, but there is no evidence for this aside from the occasional rare post. You seem to be one.
I really have nothing clinical to treat so I m not looking to do hrt. It wouldnât make sense.
The only thing I have is slightly high shbg. I don t know how you lower thisâŚboron I read helps.
I have high t so free t is not badly effected by shbgâŚ
Masteron is a DHT Derivative, I have a bottle of Primobolan here I had bought to experiment with. They will work, we will have sexual, penile, muscular, and all the benefits, but have water retention and feel estrogen as it recirculates as it is only being blocked and not killed. Pure DHT will kill it, but a special protocol with primobolan would minimize the estrogen, either way, it would reverse PFS like Masteron (if used with test).finbasteride, first of all, I am not asking you to take anything and you know that, these experiments are being done with volunteers, and you are smart enough to know very well that Moonman may be a non responder. MCI has not been on any PFS protocol, he only had his first injection of enanthate yesterday (which I was non responsive to when I was on it, except intermittently). Also, you took too much Arimidex, I told you that many times and you just conclude that it doesn't work. You yourself admitted you felt good for 12 hours! Can't it be that maybe, just maybe the dose was too high for you? 1mg is pretty high in 1 single dose for a guy not on testosterone, anyone will tell you that.
You donât have to try anything, you can just watch this unfold, also, it took me MONTHS to get where I am on testosterone with special protocols, it didnât happen in 10 minutes, 1 day, or 1 week. If a guy is a non responder, injectable DHT works, it worked for me. Instead of making me argue with you on here, how about supporting me and those experimenting? I mean, this isnât a debate, a debate is a debate about if something works or not, and it can go on endlessly, this is an experiment attempting to confirm what I am saying or deny it.
So why try to stop me? When the results of this experiment could very well change your life if it works out, and so far every instance of Masteron use has worked when used correctly on a guy with PFS. I told you also, if you had taken just 0.25mg of arimidex, you would have had a good experience. You see guys here posting improvements with arimidex in low doses. I have a friend who has emotional problems from finasteride, he takes 0.25mg of arimidex 3X a week, that is all he needs. Donât you think you jumped the gun because you took too much? That being said, why not support my efforts to find a few protocols that work for everyone. I have reversed it in myself, we have tried Masteron and know it works, it will be proven in a non responder soon. It is no secret some guys can be non responders, that is why Masteron is here, their 5AR may be too suppressed, but masteron bypasses far altogether and allows testosterone to work and replaces low DHT.
I think I am just as bad off as anyone here from what I read (if not worse), I just have been fighting it since day 1 with hormones, how about you join us like you have been and focus on helping us? You could wait a couple weeks and try 0.25mg of arimidex, a lower reasonable dose and see how that plays out. If Arimidex didnât work you would not have felt good for 12 hours, you felt good because you hit your sweet spot and then lowered it way too much. I have been though at this point probably hundreds of bad experiences to get to where I am, if this were easy it would have been solved long ago.
That being said, you donât have to do anything, I wonât judge you for doing nothing till our results are proven, but arimidex helping people has already been proven, we have seen no instance of someone taking 1mg at once off of testosterone except you. Now we know from that that that is a bad idea and guys should start with 0.25mg off of test, but I think most here knew that, but your experience ensures people will start low. How about you work with us man? Why do you think you felt good for 12 hours? Do you have an explanation for that?
I have some good news to report, day 2 of 10mg of test suspension and I am feeling good actually! I have not required an AI, but I took 1mg of arimidex anyway. I plan to take it throughout the day even if I donât need it. I am going to ride this out for the next 2 weeks and see how it unfolds, but very impressed so far. I also have my Torem here, a new drug body builders are using to restore natural test over hcg (as hcg is estrogenic), im waiting to start it though as I donât want to contaminate my experiment. What is interesting it that it is also an estrogen blocker.
No. I m not asking anyone to stop. Thatâs not what I meant at all. By all means continue to trial thing and report, along with any other guys who choose to do so.
I hope it works out for you and those trialling things!
Finbasteride, I am pretty sure I know what your situation is and I posted it last night if you can read through my long ass posts. That being said, the end results of this will be helpful to you and everyone here, that is all I ask, your support. No need to argue and put each other down, no one else is doing shit for this, and I doubt anyone ever will, it may be up to us and that is it.
I would be a lot more hopeless if I didnât have these responses I have had and also my experiences with Masteron and others, so standby, letâs see how this plays out, thanks for your support. Also, i hope you give Arimidex one more shot at a lower dose maybe in a couple weeks at 0.25mg, you took a huge dose being off natural test. Sounds to me like you have the same probs my friend does, all emotional from Finasteride, he didnât even know and has never been to this forum. I gave him 0.25mg of arimidex and he says all he needs is about 3X a week and he is good, and he had serious emotional problems.
If that is all you need, you are lucky, def worth another shot, especially considering you took such a big dose at once and also because you felt good for 12 hours. If you donât want to try it that is fine too, no one will judge you, it is your choice, but your experience helps others here make sure they dose it right.
just an update, not sure if anyone cares but if u r only using an ai maybe youll appreciate the post.
took armidex yesterday for the first time at .25âŚfelt fine but I think i had a bit of an estrogen rebound later at night.
i wasnât fighting with my girlfriend but we were talking about serious stuff and who knows maybe that gave me a little anxiety, plus i
felt this weird pressure in my head and had a bit of a headache. so i figured
to take another .25mg. slept pretty good and woke up with a decent boner. i noticed when my sinuses r clearer i sleep much better.
so before bed i took-
.25mg of armidiex
1.25 melatonin
400mg magnesium glycinate
200mg gaba
25mg zinc piconalte (spelling)
15mg of benedryl
kinda had to pee when i woke up with a pretty decent boner but def not pre fin status where it would not go down.
but one day in a noticed a slight improvement on and AI
Glad to hear you are doing well, donât over do it, try skipping a day unless you really need it, go by how you feel. Too much can cause a head ache, so donât overdo it, too much can make you tired too. Try to find a balance. Yea itâs estrogen rebound, arimidex has rebound sometimes within an hour on testosterone, off its prob longer.
Wait, hold it. Justquit- you had thinning skin, thinning legs, penis curve to the left and what exactly did you take to reverse that??
âGlad to hear you are doing well, donât over do it, try skipping a day unless you really need it, go by how you feel. Too much can cause a head ache, so donât overdo it, too much can make you tired too. Try to find a balance. Yea itâs estrogen rebound, arimidex has rebound sometimes within an hour on testosterone, off its prob longer.â
yeah I mean it was my first dose at .25 and I still got a headache from such a little piece of the 1mg pillâŚ
I wish I could see numbers instead of going by how I feel, which normally is fine but in my head I always could be better,
in other words if I donât have a raging libido constantly I feel there is something wrong
I was on testosterone, while I stopped having noticeable response to it, it was maintaining my body from completely wasting away, I got skinny, but preserved a normal amount of muscle. The estrogen from the test shut down my sexual function. When I went on masteron it reversed the sexual symptoms and the curved penis thing. However, pure dht is the cure for this long term as not only does it do everything masteron does, instead of blocking estrogen, it kills it like our own dht
Itâs just not available, im working on finding a way to get it made by a compound pharmacy as the powder is available. In the meantime masteron reverses Pfs in every way, allows normal response to test, but there will be estrogen blocked instead of killed and it will recirculate. So an AI and keeping test at normal ranges will keep things good for Moonman mood wise. Libido and sexual function was 200% on masteron, as well as muscles.
I need help, pure dht would allow all of us to normally respond to test, but it doesnât exist even on the black market, it used to exist commercially. We can get the raw powder and have it mixed and made into an injectable. My goal is to prove to you all this is reversible with masteron on Moonman, once everyone sees, others will follow. Then I will have help and the Pfs foundarion can work to make this treatment available to all of us.
The reason I have chosen natural recovery via 5ar and dht induction is mostly due to dht being unavailable and once you start you require it long term. I donât know if our system will recover on it, but I do know from personal experience we will not experience any Pfs symptoms and have all benifits of testosterone on it. There is a treatment for non responders and itâs an illegal steroid called dht! Masteron will work, I can make it a long term solution if I have to but dht would be the best.
While Iâm responding to my protocol, obviously some here may not, and there is a simple treatment. I took doses of proviron equal to it in the form of an injection, 1 every hour, it did as expected. Masteron worked, but itâs not actually dht, we need dht as an option. Many guys here are not as patient as me, it has taken me 6 months of hormonal treatments to get here, most guys I talk to want to give up in a week or 2. The only way for those guys and non responders to come back to normal is with injectable dht.
In the absence of it, I can make masteron work with test prop, I will demonstrate with Moonman. I need help, I can only do so much alone, this foundation could help lobby for this drug for us. If dht script was available everyone here would be resolved long ago. Dr Goldstein used Andractim gel with some success, itâs very very weak, but itâs all their is commercially available right now, that and proviron.
So standby and Iâll demonstrate with masteron how this is not nerve damage and itâs reversible, ihatepropecia will confirm the same thing. Any guy who has been on masteron while on test will tell you this. In the meantime I have devised a protocol that will work perfectly for Moonman, if he has to wait to get actual dht, Andractim can be used with test propionate and an AI and the protocol will be stable.
Masteron was amazing, any Pfs guy will tell you that, using it off testosterone does nothing.
How can estrogen keep the body from producing phlegm ( snot ). ? Is that also some function that the enzymes blocked by finasteride would perfom?
Ok great. So moonman is going to inject with Masteron and initially he should have a very positive response, even if he cycles downward after that dose due to not being his own DHT