UPDATE: I just heard from moonman, he hasn’t needed arimidex in 24 hours, that means the suspension is building up DHT in his system. Now that he is starting to have a supply of DHT, it is regulating the estrogen, and he is requiring less AI (like me). I am on day 4 of Suspension and I upped it to 20mg again as the prop wore off, I had intense responses with 20mg, I want to see how that plays out now that I know to expect the estrogen sadness and how to counter it with arimidex.
Increase in muscle mass, libido and erections, this is the key I have been talking about, suspension inducing enough DHT to kill off estrogen, it is now seemingly occurring in moonman.
Hey just curious man, if you have made the decision to use testosterone why not just use the suspension ? This way we can have someone using jqd’s method ?
You are right Gelhead, because I have used many different substances to induce DHT or lower estrogen, this is why I don't like coming here. What's the point when there are people like you who have given up and don't believe anyone can get better. There are MANY ways to reverse PFS, and I have done it with all sorts of hormones including HGH, Masteron, different forms of testosterone like propionate, suspension.
So what if I have done it with different hormones? Many work if it is done right, masteron as well, but you seem to be one of the people here who believe this condition is untreatable and incurable and thus I am a liar if I have reversed it. Moonman's improvements must be his imagination.
What's the point dude? Here I am trying things that have reversed PFS in myself, and you just want to attack me, get rid of the only person even trying new hormonal treatments till I leave and never come back? Then you can go back to talking about how everyone kills themselves and how evil Merck is and how you are going to sue them?
Let me give you a dose of reality, PFS is a condition that at this level affects a small group of people, no one cares, no one is going to do anything about it, if there are lawsuits they will be class action and you will all end up with $5k each. Not sure if the guys in the UK are aware of this, but this is the most likely scenario. There are only 2 doctors working on this, Jacobs has no record of success in treating PFS patients (from what I have seen), I got him to use propionate as he was using a terrible protocol.
Goldstein has a bad HRT protocol that involves buying andractim (DHT) off the net illegally. The Harvard studies are not going to find a cure, they are to find a genetic link. If people recognize this condition, their approach will be the same as mine, only not even half as productive, why? Doctors don't have any knowledge of body builder science, so they are limited to some very basic hormonal treatments. They don't know how to induce HGH with precursors, synthetic HGH is illegal, DHT doesn't exist as something that can be prescribed, it is illegal.
Your situation is rather hopeless, the only way anyone has ever reversed this is with hormonal protocols, and the one guy who has done that, posts his experiences with various hormonal protocols, and your response is to attack me? I could very well have just done all this on my own and never posted here ever, that is probably what I should have done, but I felt sharing my experiences would help others. Yet there are always people like you, people who just want to criticize and attack, well, don't worry, eventually I will move on and stop posting, and you can go right back to utter hopelessness and despair and discussions of suicide. There have been others who have reversed this with hormones, posted and left, and many have told me because of people like you they don't want to post here.
Don't worry, I am improving more and more, eventually I will move on, you will have your wish, I just thought I should document this to help others in the future. Gelhead, what do you think is going to come out of the studies? So they prove PFS exists, do you think they will come up with better treatments than Goldstein or Jacobs? That's all they are going to do, go down that road, and I am way ahead of them, so while you have so much faith in the studies, they aren't going to result in any cure.
It's only going to confirm what Dr Jacobs and Goldstein already know, and they will say "Well, there are 2 doctors treating it," and that is it, so what is wrong with my experiments and results? You and many others want to push me off this forum. I am telling you emotionally it is difficult to keep up here with all the negativity, you will get your wish eventually. Then again you will always have the studies... Maybe in 10 years they will try suspension, research moves rather slowly, and this is hardly a life threatening condition (in their view) or something anyone really cares about but us.Hey guys,
FWIW - When I first started on gear, it was crazy. The response was abnormal to say the least, though over time I have begun to responds much better and needing less AI when on. I mention this because it could be possible that it may take time to develop a proper response when having PFS.
Also, JQD is right - masteron will bypass 5AR and you’ll override all your PFS symptoms in one to two days, though at this stage, it is not worth it. You will have a backlash of suppressing your 5ar pathways.
Hye ihatepropecia, but it can be managed, I did it, just have to control the estrogen and use lower doses and test propionate or suspension. For non responders it is the only hope (or some other form of DHT) and it does work, at the right doses it can all be done perfectly.
Doing great on suspension today, more improvements, but what difference does it make, no one really cares. Moonman has agreed to ride this to the end and go all the way to masteron and primobolan if he cannot restart his DHT. I may just work with him and then come back after it is over. It is so depressing to post here and read all the negativity.
Yes it can. Like you said, control e, drop the t dose slightly, and use low does masteron. Like you, I agree that this should be a last effort after spending some time with normal tne/prop.
I know a few gents that cruise on test+mast, though they do not have PFS.
If someone wanted to try "the nuclear option," I would start with primobolan, if it were something I didn't have to buy on the black market I would mess around with it more (also I am rebooting my DHT so shutting it down is counter productive). I just don't want to mess with things I can't get a script for, for long term use. I am having amazing results with suspension, almost like masteron in many ways, I have even got male body scent back, this is something that only comes at the peak of reversal for me (when I am doing the best).Nope, haven’t tried that one. I used tren ace.
By the way, for you guys who have ordered and got propionate, you should still try it, I never said it doesn’t work just because I found something more potent. It worked well for me, I encourage guys to continue to experiment with it, I have only good things to say about propionate. While Suspension is working great for me and I am still figuring out the estrogen and all, I know Propionate is good and works well and if you have it, you should try it.
I am having some very good results with suspension and will be posting my final results once I reach them, thankfully I have help now with Moonman also using it. Both Moonman and I have seemed to get estrogen under control and the more we use suspension the lower estrogen gets as we end up with higher DHT levels. My initial experience with Suspension, I quick AI’s, then I went on prop and then back on AI’s. The prop is out of my system and I have been doing great on Suspension 20mg a day, I also have been taking Letro 2.5mg a day, so far my libido is good, but I plan to taper off Letro eventually to try and get by just with Arimidex.
I plan to run some experiments with a couple new AI’s and one other I did not properly experiment with.
most people are happy you’re here jqd,i for one am sick of reading the same old suicide shite etc,you are like a breath of fresh air,if it turns out you can find a way to fix us everyone here will be in your debt thats for sure,i wont be trying your ideas just yet though,ill wait a few month and see what happens to those trying it out,i had a bad experience last time i tried someones so called cure of progesterone cream a few year ago,a couple of weeks of using the cream and shit loads of my hair fell out,i got very dothery like an old person,blurry vision,constant aching in my balls,etc…
I feel your pain man. I finally decided to reach out to Dr. Jacobs, wrote him this long detailed email, and when I finally hit send i get his out of office! Damnit I don’t wanna wait 2 weeks I’m ready to take action now!
Thanks, that means a lot, I am going to continue to experiment until I perfect my protocol, moonman is going to ride this out till it works or doesn't. Moonman agreed that I f he doesn't restart, he will venture into dht replacement (which I will then guide him with my masteron protocols and perhaps Primobolan). So stay tuned, good things are coming, I am running a new experiment today on a different AI and I decided to wait to post my results a little longer from now on.
I can tell you that all the guys im currently working with are happy they are doing something, sitting around doing nothing is not the best for everyone. Guys are feeling better, im not in contact with RQ, but the other guys I am are having improvements. The cool thing is they are all on different protocols, so I'm finally getting a chance to test out multiple things.
If moonman has to venture into masteron or Primobolan, then we will have a confirmed protocol for non responsive guys here. I know for a fact masteron works on non responsive guys as my 5ar was shut down when I used it with test. Also, I have a friend who had the same success and has pfs and is actually managing it with masteron, he has no interest in being connected with a pfs forum or pfs guys as he is a body builder.
All I can do is is post our progress and data, I wasn't responding to enanthate and now after multiple protocols I found a way to have pfs reversed. Obviously it's not perfect and im still trying to figure out how to control the estrogen perfectly, but I'm very close. If people would not post cynical comments here and be supportive, this could help everyone. It boggles my mind why some people like gelhead, have to insert a cynical negative comment when I'm trying to solve this here.
Unfortunately no one else is, but I decided to keep my experiments secret till I have results from now on. Stay strong and keep hope up, we are making progress here and as soon as I perfect the protocol I will post and explain. I don't judge anyone who wants to sit back and watch and not try till results, that's perfectly acceptable so long as you don't bash us who try.UPDATE: I may have found the missing link to controlling estrogen from suspension, the estrogen is small but neurosteroidal. I have the estrogen under control and so does moonman, but I may have found something that can complete this protocol. I have decided to not announce things till I have tested them out for at least a week or 2, so I will update soon.
EXPERIMENTS BEING PERFORMED with 3 guys.
I am working with Moonman1 and one other user of Pfs, we are going to fine tune the susoension protocol, we already may have the estrogen issue under control. Both guys im working with have agreed to go to full PFS reversal with masteron (if need be). So if one of them is a non responder (if such exists), I have the masteron protocol which bypasses 5ar all together. So this is good news for the rest of the forum, this means that not only will we have the suspension protocol perfected, but we will have a protocol for non responders.
Masteron was never done right for some reason here, masteron doesn't do much when used alone, in all guys (even without Pfs) it will not work alone. I'm not sure why guys here who used it never bothered to read a body builder forum. Masteron must be used with injectable testosterone, in a guy with Pfs if used without testosterone, it will make you feel good at first as it blocks estrogen 24/7. Also increases dht, but it will kill your natural test and then you will have low test and feel nothing.
It doesn't do much in normal guys, but when I used it on test enanthate I fully responded. You all know why I quit as I have been rebooting my dht. I don't plan to be posting our experiments as they go on, posting has slowed down my progress and often results in negative comments from some people who for some reason can't understand why so many different protocols can reverse Pfs.
So we will be working together and then when the experiments are over we will post our results. Currently I believe I have the suspension protocol worked out with the perfect AI. I will not be posting it though as I do not wish to debate, so standby and results will be posted when everything is verified. Suspension has been working amazing for me, but if there are guys who after 3 months do not respond, we will have s nuclear option for them.
I'm glad I finally have some help, if anyone else wants to join us let me know, also there is ihatepropecia (who I am in contact with). If a dht protocol is used for a non responder we will have him join us as he has been wanting to go on Primobolan anyway. Primobolan will be the better choice than masteron, but for a non responder we must start with masteron as I know it works and have experience with it.
So progress as it happens is going to be kept more on the downlow so as not to give people false hopes, I will only post when the experiments are done (maybe in a few months). I already know the masteron protocol works as I know a Pfs sufferer who also went on it (not wanting to try and recover the hard way). It is my hope that when we are finished, the forum will have options for guys with Pfs if they so choose to reverse it with hormones.
As for the Suspension protocol, I'll post it if it's stable for at least 4 weeks. I will state for the record, having got the estrogen under control, I do feel great. Mood has been an important factor for me with Pfs and hormones, that dht feel good feeling with joy and happiness. So rather than report the ups and downs as we experiment, the results will come when the work is finished
RQ, has lost hope after 1 week because of false expectations I set up, when this works and it took me 2 months to get here. I have noticed guys on here lose hope really easy and quickly, so the ethical and wise thing to do is go off the grid, conduct our experiments and report later. I will post updates that are exciting. For those starting suspension, for now use arimidex till I post the AI that I think may be the perfect completion to this.
Not everyone wants to experiment, but had I not, I wouldn't be living a normal life like I am now with a nice body and libido and sexual function. The only thing I could not get balanced 24/7 was my mood, now I may have done tha, we shall see. Anyway, as I said, anyone who wishes to join us, contact me. The third person I am working with is an active poster here who wishes to remain private for now (but we are all in contact with each other).Merry Christmas, guys. I’ll be taking a week off with family stuff, then start the Testosterone Propionate, the week following. Two bottles of Testosterone Propionate arrived along with one bottle of Arimidex, which I am preloading for 10 days before I start the Prop run.
I will see this through to the end. I have spent over 5 years and several thousands of dollars trialing herbal products that simply don’t work. I have no other options left but to experiment with steroids. I know T and E ratios play a huge part in our condition. Most likely, I will trial various Testosterone and AI products for at least 12 months.
It’s lunacy to expect recovery in one shot, or one day. It took me 5-12 months of intermittent symptoms, and then another 12 months of propecia use to really destroy my libido. Logically, it will take some time for my body to reset it’s homeostatic T:E ratio at a new level.
All the best.
Ok guys, I think I solved the estrogen problem! This time im not alone, im working with 3 other guys, and possibly 4 soon. This is the way it should have been, now I can cover more ground. I am not going to be posting my results for 2 weeks (till its confirmed). I’m going to also get the other guys on this as well, the last thing I have been trying to get corrected was my mood. I could not get the estrogen balanced so that I consistently had the dht happy mood feeling, joy, passion, I was going in and out of it, now I think it’s solved!
All other symptoms have been reversed for a couple months, suspension made things a lot more intense, but now with this new discovery, this may be it. I have promised to temper myself, so as I said, I’ll wait till its confirmed.
Please let me speak for myself. I’ve continued with Suspension, no change in my response. I tried reducing AI dosage, wondering if I had lowered my estrogen too much, but I can’t say it’s done anything. Unfortunately, I’m not really able to pick up on hour-to-hour shifts in estrogen levels in my body, so it’s hard for me to know when to start popping Arimidex and when to hold off. But so far, whether I’m taking a lot, a little or somewhere in between, I’m not feeling anything.
JQD or anybody?
im picking up my armidex today and im kinda nervous about taking it but I want to feel a better libido.
Like I said my estradiol was one point over the top score. it is 30 <29 (being the highest)
I guess im just afraid it will do the same that propecia did in a different way maybe.
any tips on dosage and timing or how many times a day I should take it.
I don’t know how many mg’s the script is for
please help