And why am I staying behind here even though im reversed and recovering? If it weren’t for this forum
I wouldn’t be where I am. This condition has traumatized me, I’m out right now at a hangout with girls looking at me, I can have any one of them I want. I am going to take a lot of time to be able to date again and all, 6 months of hell and 30 or more intense crashes can fuck you up. I also have months ahead of me before my system recovers. We don’t know how long it takes, but I do know a good deal happens in 3 months with estrogen kept under control. I am no longer interested in anything else but this condition and how it works and solving it and helping others here. I have pushed all my friends away from me, I’m sure time will heal me, but it helps me to know I’m helping others. One day we will all meet in person when we are all recovered. I thank you for donating to this foundation in my name, I cannot thank you enough, it means so much to me.
Let us know who starts this protocol, please post, I know there are a lot out there starting it, lurkers and lots who have private messaged me, let us know. Remember, there is no such thing as a crash anymore, it’s just estrogen, a hormone and it can be blocked.
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JQD, you’re a pretty great dude for offers to help everyone here. My one quick question is once we’re on the protocol, will we have to be on testosterone for life? I’m only 19 so I’d really rather not do that.
4 days into an aromasin run here. Will update as things progress. I know the protocol includes Test Propinate, but I want to find my sweet spot with estrogen first, before adding T into the mix.
Actually no you won’t, I had lost hope of recovering from this comdition, but I recovered significantly and rather quickly compared to others here from being on testosterone before, during and after the crash. I was also on a very low dose of arimidex which was helping me but I had no idea then what I know now. I kept getting better and then crashing, but after every crash I was better than before. So that was when I decided to try replacing dht, adding dht (masteron in my case) worked amazing with testosterone. Not the way I thought though, it was acting as a potent anti estrogen, that was masteron’ original purpose to treat breast cancer, it is a synthetic version of dht. My muscles got huge, I had a ridiculous sex drive, but during the course of that experience I met dr Jacobs and after much of my own thought I realized what was going on. So I quit the masteron and started with aromasin, my response to testosterone was back to when I first crashed from finasteride/avodart.
So I am operating from day one again now, I know based on my respond to testosterone, so I know that our system recovers and can get worse with dht use. The idea is to control the estrogen and induce your own (via testosterone use). The problem with that is until your system recovers a lot, you can’t handle any form of testosterone other than propionate. Unless you take 1mg to 2mg of arimidex every hour, enanthate or cypionate can’t work. That’s why no one has responded consistently, propionate induces your own dht and wears off really fast. So we have limited 5ar activity, enough for a spark from test but not enough to handle the rest.
So propionate hits you hard and wears off, in that scenario it gives us the ability to control estrogen practically via aromasin. Had I known about aromasin before I started dht I would by now be able to handle enanthate I had recovered so much. So on this protocol you will recover because while aromasin is a steroid, it does not suppress dht. What we want is an environment where our body functions normally and can detect low 5ar activity and dht and compensate. That’s not possible with out of control estrogen.
Going on this protocol will stop the estrogen bleeding and allow your system to recover, you will know if you are recovering or not over time based on your response to testosterone getting stronger and stronger. I need right now aromasin 2 x a day, aromasin has its limits, taking more than 25mg at once doesn’t work it just gives you a horrible adrenaline surge. In men the half life is 9 hours (vs women where it is 24 hours). Dr Jacobs didn’t know that about the half life in men, so I sent him a study on it and he is in agreement.
You will need arimidex on hand too, the aromasin even twice a day may not be enough, it will be enough to make you feel normal and everhthing. I take the arimidex when I feel the slightest estrogen effects till my system recovers more. I have my own reasons for doing that, has to do with having chiseled features in my face and not liking to lose them. I suspect 100% of you guys will praise God with how you feel with just 1 to 2 aromasin a day (spaced 9 hours apart).
Again if you can get by on just 1 25mg aromasin a day please try, now my body got used to it after a week and I handle the second dose fine. At first I thoight I was having a heart attack when I took the second dose, so keep that in mind with aromasin. Safety wise aromasin was studied at up to 800mg a day and perfectly safe, but it revs you up.
when you start this protocol your nuts will kind of shrink from the testosterone at first. That can be prevented if you start with hcg at the same time, please don’t though. Hcg produces so much estrogen that first you must use this protocol alone for a month or 2 before you start hcg. If you start with hcg and your estrogen gets out of control you may freak out. As I have stated previously, if you feel estrogen coming on (which you guys have called a crash) take arimidex 1mg and wait an hour, if you still feel it take another and wait an hour, it will stop the crash and your symptoms will turn into positive ones. The crash will turn into pumped muscles, good feelings and horniness, as hard as that may be to believe.
With this condition we want to control our own hormones so the mechanisms that regulate our hormones can heal. After a month passes and you learn how your body works then you can start hcg 500iu a week, it will restart your own testosterone production, see how you can handle the estrogen from it. If all is ok then try to up it to 1000iu a week, that reverses testicular shrinking and restarts your testosterone production to normal. Body builders have been doing this for decades and HRT doctors prescribe this for life.
I don’t know your symptoms, you are only 19, so you can try aromasin every other day and give it a month and see how you do, maybe that will be enough for your body to recover. I do know guys age 19 use steroids all the time and then hcg or pct protocols to recover after perfectly fine. Your case you need to fix your system, because of your age I suggest to try aromasin first alone. Be patient, give it a month and see how you come along. If you don’t have any progress then move into the full protocol. At 19 your testosterone may be still surging enough that aromasin alone will do it, but I haven’t tried that so I can’t say it will work.
Aromasin is an interesting drug, it does raise your own natural testosterone production and body builders are starting to take notice of it as a pct therapy (post cycle therapy). Once you realize that all these “crashes” are reversible estrogen dominance, it takes away a potent weapon pfs has had over us. Without the crashes then we can recover, stock up on arimidex and aromasin. Remember my warning about aromasin. Only 25mg once a day or if twice spaced 9 hours apart, and be prepared for the first few times to feel like you are having a panic attack when you take the second dose, that goes away though.
The key is keeping testosterone propionate at a low dose, less testosterone, less estrogen, we want to be able to control our estrogen, ideally getting by with 1 25mg aromasin a day would be great. You can do that if you keep your testosterone propionate dose low like maybe 10mg a day. Everyone is different and everyone will have to find what doses work best for them. Knowing that on top of the aromasin you can use arimidex to stop and reverse any estrogen crash symptoms will make this a painless experience.
I know this may be confusing, so please feel free to ask as many questions as you want. Be patient though, this condition will take months to heal from, maybe longer. The key is that I have found a way not only to recover but to reverse pfs so that while you recover you can live life again. Without testosterone injections it’s possible to lower your estrogen too much, so if you aren’t using testosterone and trying it with just aromasin keep that in mind. Low estrogen is harmless and doesn’t feel like anything bad, just flat and emptiness kind of like low test. It’s worth noting after getting pfs while on testosterone I have never been able to lower my estrogen too much, no matter how much of anything I take.
I only know what low estrogen is like from before I had pfs and took too much arimidex some weeks, I’m just trying to explain everythkng because I know you guys don’t know. Forget blood tests, go by how you feel, what feels right, good and normal is what’s right. That’s why my blood test showed up perfect, because I go by what I feel. Pfs causes too many fluctuations for tests to be of any value, they are only good for after we have the condition under control to check things out.
There is a site that sells liquid forms of arimidex and aromasin for cheap and with a syringe to measure it and shoot it in your mouth, that way you can try different doses, if you want the site pm me.
Interesting, keep us informed, make sure not to use any other form of testosterone then propionate. Find what feels good and try to maintain that good feeling, I’m not sure how this will work without testosterone propionate injections. I have been on testosterone before, during and after the crash, I have never stopped.
By remodulatoing my protocols constantly (before I knew what I know now) I was able to maintain a muscular physique. I recommend keeping test low, I tend to want more and more and then the estrogen is harder to control. Nevertheless knowing what these crash symptoms are is a big fucking deal, before I knew I was afraid to try things or take things because of these mysterious crashes. Now I have a whole protocol to prevent and reverse them. If you stay on this protocol, you should not experience any crash, and in time your body will recover more and more and you will respond more and more to test.
Symptoms of estrogen are panic, anxiety, muscle twitches, water retention (bloating), probably how you guys feel all the time. So the most important thing is to not allow yourself to remain that way, estrogen is dangerous and you must keep it low enough to not feel that way. I have tried every form and combo of Anti estrogen drugs, all that works is aromasin once a day and maybe twice (after 9 hours) if you need it and if you can tolerate it. Otherwise it’s arimidex 1mg every hour or 2 hours till you feel normal. After a month you will notice some recovery, we actually do recover fast when our body is able to. We are just bleeding estrogen right now, that’s why we can’t heal. Most of you will have significant reversal very fast, for me I respond immediately to this protocol. Remember that I am back where I started like my first day after the initial crash due to my dht use, so I have very minimal response and yet I have my mood, muscles, libido, erections, sexual function. As time goes by it gets stronger and stronger, I wake up with erections and get turned on normally.
Before I reset myself back with dht, on test propionate I would be 24/7 horny, right now I’m just normal horny, that’s ok though, every week I recover more, but I can have sex, build and maintain muscle, have normal moods and the works. I’m not very good at typing short messages, so sorry this is so long, just trying to be detailed.
For those of you against taking anti estrogens or hormones, you need to get over that. Its sad but true, by doing nothing it is no different than injecting yourself with estrogen every day, it’s dangerous and a ticking time bomb. The reason none of you have been able to have success with anti estrogens alone is because without testosterone injections you will end up lowering your estrogen too much and then freak out and quit. The best way to do it is as soon as you feel improvement stop for a day and as soon as you feel you need more take more, and keep doing that till you learn what you need. If you aren’t going to do do anything at least do that, no one will recover without lowering estrogen, but I personally don’t think there is much chance of recovery without using something to induce dht weather it be testosterone or test boosters. If you don’t follow my protocol and use test propionate though, don’t complain when things don’t work out, I have tried everything and this is the best and fastest and painless way to get your life back and recover.
hey JQD,
Optimistic topic. Keep it up.
I have a few questions:
- What do you think about the use of taking medicines containing exemestane (Aromasin component), but not being Aromasin? I mean the drug’s substitutes. Aromasin is very expensive, and other drugs which are composed of exemestane is several times cheaper,
- and why exactly Aromasin, not nolvadex, tamoxyfen or other anti-estrogens? I’d like to know because I would like to somehow convince my endocrinologist to prescribe Aromasin (or other medications containing exemestane),
- how your diet? Do you now, how you feel healthy, have a diet regimen? Or can you eat all what you want and do not have any health collapse?
Thanks in advance for your reply and sorry for my english
My health is exceptional, my body is exceptional, diet is exceptional, no other AI works (unless taken in massive doses). I have a website where you can buy Aromasin fairly inexpensively, it is like $74 US dollars and it is in liquid form, they make their own AI’s for “research purposes” yet they are flavored, it is a cover for body builders.
I can give you the site if you PM me, Nolvadex just displaces estrogen, it rebounds later even worse, in fact all AI’s just block estrogen which then rebound even worse. Aromasin is a derivative of Androstenedione which acts on estrogen similarly to DHT.
I have tried everything and anything, the key to recovery is to lower estrogen and stimulate DHT and I am reading some interesting new stuff about Aromasin. As I mentioned, Aromasin is a derivative of Androstenedione which in a study was a precursor to DHT in genetical skin in women (and also men) from the looks of it.
Guys, if JQD already took the guesswork out of it why are we questioning his protocol? if you take the time to read the post, it’s all outlined and very detailed. This gentleman has done extensive research and has spent thousands of dollars so that we don’t have to. I’ve already checked out his recommended sites, trust me compared to what we’ve all spent already…the price of these products are very reasonable. jQD quite possibly figured out how to get back the ‘spark’, the electricity! I feel much better than I did 2.5 years ago, but I still lack the zest for life, what makes us men. I have a super sexy red headed girlfriend, but giving her the D is sort of chore. The planets have to be completely aligned for me to give an average performance, it’s to the point that I’d rather not have sex.
So just follow directions, everyone should be eating healthy and exercising regardless…with or without PFS, Low Carb diets and strength training. Most guys that do overcome the syndrome split the scene, JQD has stayed, even after others suggest he get banned for his exuberance. Everyone keeps telling me to wait for my doctor to prescribe a remedy…F that noise, who has time to convince some doctor who is clueless, remember its just a job for them. I don’t expect a cure from these studies that are being conducted, I have more confidence in body building forums and of course JQD. I donated to the foundation because that’s what JQD wanted, but I would have rather paid him directly. I’ve become very jaded with doctors. Peace out hombres.
Perfect Gent, thank you again for donating in my name, it means a lot to me, thank you, seriously…
I have been reading posts by -JN-, not sure how familiar you guys are with him, but apparently after 10 years he recovered. Interesting though, his experiences confirm my theories, yet again another recovery after extensive stimulation of 5AR enzymes (just like CDNuts). In the end -JN- concluded it was some parasite nonsense, but that is because he didn’t know that he was inducing recovery with all his stimulation of 5AR.
The reason he took so long to recover was due to DHT use, that sets you back like taking your first Finasteride pill. I have not yet read through all of -JN-'s posts, but from what I read he never seemed to figure out the root problem as I did. Patience is something you must all have on this protocol, it will take time to recover, the idea is stop speed up that recovery time. The good news is that putting ourselves in a normal state induces recovery.
You guys who are going to your doctors, doctors ego’s supersede their willingness to help people, I have been a victim of the egos of doctors now for a while. They are unwilling to admit when they don’t know something, or when you confront them with information they do not know they react negatively and consider you insane or whatever.
We need as many people as possible on this protocol so that the slow responders can report back and help out with other slow responders. This forum has lots of smart guys on it, this protocol will allow guys here to live normal lives while recovering.
JDQ your posts provide me with hope and motivation. I am a new PFS sufferer. I have emailed you from my yahoo account since I cannot PM yet. Please advise when available. I am meeting with my urologist on Monday and quite eager to start something asap.
Thanks.
I will look for your email, this condition is treatable and reversible but it will take time to recover, don't expect much from your doctor. Normally I would tell someone listen to your doctor, but see what he says, maybe you will be lucky and have a good doctor. I have a pretty good protocol that is reversing this and allowing recovery.
The sooner you get on testosterone and control your estrogen the better off you will be, I started recovering quickly on testosterone, but the estrogen crashes always got in the way till I figured out they were estrogen.Hello guys, I know many of you are going through a hard time and read my posts to feel better, I was surprised and happy to hear that from more than a few people. I wanted to say that there is hope, this can be reversed. I feel better every day, and I read that aromasin takes a week to reach its full blood plasma level. Whatever mechanism that is damaged, it heals, do not let estrogen be your ruler, there are no such thing as pfs crashes, only estrogen. Estrogen is a hormone just like testosterone and just like DHT. I have read some people still writing things like “I’m afraid I will crash,” there is no such thing as a crash. That is fully reversible estrogen, and dr Jacobs agrees with me on that. I know some of you are afraid to go on hormones, but you already are, you have been since you were born. Right now you are on male to female hormone replacement, as sad as that is, it’s true. Did you know Avodart is used to transform men into women?
That being said, there is no such thing is us not being able to respond to hormones, if that were true you wouldn’t be feeling estrogen! I can tell you that we produce so much that it’s hard to believe for doctors or even many of you. You can have your life back, now I don’t know if testosterone gel will work the same as testosterone propionate. I do know testosterone gel is a 24 hour testosterone formulation. If there are some here who want to try the gel with the aromasin, let us know how that goes, I personally don’t think it is strong enough, but it can’t hurt.
Starting an anti estrogen and staying on it regularly and long term is absolutely a necessity for anyone with this condition, you must lower your estrogen to give your body a fighting chance. Pfs may have taken everything from you, but it cannot take your will, within you all is the will to recover, and you can. So not be a prisoner of fear, find within yourselves the strength to get on this protocol. The sooner the better, there is a long road ahead of you for your system to recover, but in the meantime you can have your life back.
Nothing suppresses recovery from pfs except dht or dht type drugs, testosterone only speeds up recovery. It’s logic, everything gets stronger when it’s exercised, right now your 5ar system is not being worked out, it must be stimulated. Please report to us whoever has started this protocol, so many here have started ordering meds, let us know. We have to help each other to recover, for I have seen myself that this condition can be reversed, that our systems can heal. Fight your fear, by Christmas time your lives could be very different than they are now.
Just keep in mind that you have all been through a war, and though you can reverse this, you will need time to get over the post traumatic stress disorder. Even though I have reversed this and am recovering, I find myself suffering from ptsd. I do believe this will make us all stronger and more appreciative of what we have in life. Alone we suffer, but united we are a potent force that will recover and we will make Merck pay for their crimes. I personally plan on suing every doctor who denied me treatment when I went to them for pfs, the doctors who gave is this poison and then called us crazy, they are just as bad. Oh yes, people will answer for their crimes legally, but they want you to be sick, they want you to be weak, do not allow that to occur. If you all get on this protocol and start recovering it will be proof this condition exists. No man without pfs on testosterone would have good estrogen levels while on aromasin 25mg a day. Something occurs when you start this therapy, I was on a lot of anti estrogens, I expected my blood test results to be crazy, and they were perfect.
That means that this could be on the neurosteroidal level, the fact that taking all this stuff made my levels show up perfectly aligned only means that this is the right path. I have a wish, a prayer, that stories will start coming onto this forum one after another from people telling us how they have reversed this condition and are doing so much better. Pfs may have taken everythkng from us, but we can take it back, and I have, and all of you will too. Posting your experiences will help those who are afraid to start by making them feel safer.
The only hormone you should be afraid of is estrogen, healing will take time, so start this reversal protocol now. If anyone is afraid of crashing then they still don’t understand what is going on, if that is the case please ask me.
I’d rather wait and see what happens to you. That is, I’d want to know whether you would need to keep doing this protocol for the rest of your life or whether you could just stop one day because you have actually recovered from this. No doubt you have noted that those following the natural recovery protocol have recovered by following the same logic: reduce estrogen and increase testosterone to achieve a more positive hormonal balance, without the drugs.
What are your thoughts on what the “crash” is then? I had a very distinct warm feeling course throughout my body for about two hours. Then it disappeared. This feeling would only be something I could possibly replicate with illegal drugs. It was in no way a “normal” experience. Something was definitely happening all over my body. I even felt it in my fucking eyelids! After this ended my body went cold and my eyes went dry (they burned before). Something happened there.
Also, you’ve mentioned 5aR 3 regarding ocular issues. Are the hormones you recommend supposed to encourage more 5aR productivity?
Thank you.
This is a great story, and I believe you when you say you are recovering and are at last feeling well and good.
But as for myself, I will wait until I read other success stories with this protocol before I try it, even though your theory makes a whole lot of sense…just as a bunch of other protocols did all along those past few years…we have no guarantee this protocol will work for anyone of us, because history has proved to us that one recovery doesn’t mean a hundred recoveries or even two recoveries. We need at the least 10 recoveries by protocol in order to prove it and validate it. But thank you for being so present on the board, we will follow your progress.
By the way, I have been on T3 and Hydrocortisone since last spring, and even though I feel pretty good on a general level (better energy, a lot, lot less tired, better resistance to stress, a lot less depressed, better mood…) this therapy has curiously worsened my already pathetic sexual function: libido and erections are down to absolute zero by visual stimuli or morning wood, and manual is soulless. Of course, sex is totally out of the equation. Since 5 years and a half (when I stopped Fin), i’ve been feeling just as if I had just ejaculated 10 seconds ago, that is, totally empty. Never again, ever had I during those 5 years the feeling of "reload " in the genital area, never, just complete emptiness. But with T3 and Hydrocortisone, it’s just as if I was removed my balls, and my dick shrank again, that’s crazy.
I have to see my anti-aging doc at the end of this month, but I don’t know if I’ll have to stay on T3 and HC (temps are the same as before the treatment!) while I start your protocol, or if I’ll have to wean off first.
That’s because the problem isn’t adrenal, guys try lots and lots of shit and keep stimulating their DHT with hormones and then try T3 or whatever else and feel better, or eat oranges or kill parasites and attribute their recovery to that. I hear the Nazis injected people with Estrogen daily to torture them, it would drive people crazy. Years of constant estrogen exposure will do that, the key is to get estrogen under control and stimulate DHT.
Maybe my protocol won’t be perfect, but the concept is what is going on, I have proven that, these mysterious crashes are estrogen dominance. We know that recovery is possible as there have been recoveries, people here do get better over time, we know that. So the question is how or why? 1 theme exists, constant stimulation of 5AR, my protocol is the best, but it can be altered and something else along the same lines would work I am sure.
Anyway, it is an evolved form of Dr Jacobs’ protocols, if you understand what is going on here, you can come up with different ways to combat it. At least understand what these crashes are and how to reverse or stop them
Do you think the daily testosterone propionate injections are 100% required? I had good testosterone levels (very bad free available testo level), and injecting myself everyday seems a little frightening considering my total inexperience in needle inserting!
With pretty good testosterone levels, maybe the Aromasin may be sufficient? I don’t know. I think it could be interesting to try first with just aromasin and then see how it’s going on.
Just ordered 2 bottles of Aromasin and one of Armidex guys. I had wrote a post with a thought I had, but I don’t think it posted. I know there is some trepidation when it comes to the use of injectables and hormones in particular, but I had a thought. I know Tumbleweeds is currently only doing Aromasin…if I’m not mistaken. I think I also read that JQD might have said in one of his post that he suspects that one might be able to recover on Aromasin alone. I’m going to try to work with just the Aromasin at first, 25mg a day; then if I get no results I’ll add the injectable Test Propionate and lastly do the full protocol with HCG. It’s worth a shot…I believe I have estrogen dominance as I always get muscle spasms (muscle twitching) and in the last two years of had more joint pain than ever before in my life.