Strong! I had to ditch Letro as it does kill libido, though I still wanna see if a long acting ester and Letro could balance each other out (would make life easier for us). However, suspension makes you horny, for those with shut down dht, daily injections will reboot it and build it up.
This drug is inducing a lot of 5ar, with my tendencies to break out, I may have to either use much lower doses or try a long acting ester. I mean, at least I know this works! I think im going to lower it to 10mg tomorrow and see how that plays out, I donāt feel like I have pfs anymore. On prop I reversed pfs but still had pfs estrogen sides which I had to constantly battle, they are gone, all im fighting now is water retention, I know why too.
Itās complicated to explain, but any guy on test will get bloated if he lowers the dose or stops it. The surge of test and then the rapid decline may cause that, or it could be the stopping propionate. Anyway who cares, I havenāt needed an AI except for cosmetic reasons. Itās worth noting im sensitive to test and always have this problem.
No pfs estrogen symptoms, all gone, I feel pre pfs, thatās more than just reversed, sorry about the over excitement, but I have been theorizing about this for months. Anyone following my thread knows how excited I have been about suspension. Also, the dht mood boost is a lot more than I got on propionate. Iāll report back more over the next 24-48 hours and see how things play out. So far so good
Interesting, perhaps this is something to think about incorporating into the protocol, I havenāt had a chance to read it, but I will later tonight. Patient X1 is on gel as he could not get propionate, I showed this to him, perhaps he can try this and we will see what happens.
thatās aces JQD. I was very happy to read that as it gives me hope.
2015 may just be the year I begin to live again. hopefully all of us
The water retention is fading away but the dht effects are remaining, just as I theorized, the 5 day half life of dht is overwhelming the estrogen that is now much lower as the suspension dissipates! This is too good to be true, but I theorized about this! Sorry for the posts but A little excited, we shall see how this plays out!
JustQuitDut,
IĀ“m working in a new and simple protocol for everybody. Would you try?
The key of this simple protocol itĀ“s to use a natural antibiotic at empty stomach for a few hours. The goal is to be able to testosterone works again.
This can be done by anybody even if you are using medications.
Just to be clear , literally not a single person has posted a positive report using your ātheoriesā. You are suggesting testosterone propionate/suspension and someform of an aromatase inhibitor (letrozole or arimidex). BrongFog is taking progesterone and DHEA and other guys are just taking AIs which we have been using for years.
My skin hasnāt been this oily since before I got pfs, itās like with one injection it all went away. While on propionate I was managing it and able to live normally, I forgot what this felt like.
Massive massice 5ar stimulation and dht induction!!
If your ātheoryā (which isnāt really yours) is correct, this is total BS. Progesterone is a very important precursor to several neurosteroids which are generated with 5-AR. This is the parallel process I was talking about.
Why in the world would you think augmenting one 5-AR substrate (T) versus another (Prog) would be more/less likely to āstimulateā 5-AR. Substrates donāt āstimulateā enzymes. And if you are right about 5-AR being depleted, which is possible and not a novel idea, you would need to find out how to boost the neurosteroids that are metabolized downstream of progesterone and are very critical for things like mood, nerve maintenance, and preventing seizures.
LOL If it is not my theory then why did you have to show it to your dr friend? Look, I think everyone here knows these are my theories, I am not sure you understand them. Since I have reversed PFS with Propionate all of the PFS symptoms reversed, there was a lingering battle with estrogen every day. I would get a surge of DHT when I first injected propionate and then fight the rest of the day with the extended release ester and the constant aromatization. As I theorized, Suspension heavily converts to DHT (which is consistent with body builder science), so I knew that part would occur, it was the second part which I wasn't sure about, now I know.
There is nothing left to aromatize, DHT has a 5 day half life, a massive amount of DHT was induced by a massive amount of fast acting test all converting to DHT and stimulating 5AR. My skin hasn't been this oily since pre PFS, every single PFS symptom reversed, I have not required any AI, nothing, libido is through the roof, muscles have become hard again! My muscles were soft during this whole condition, with propionate they were still soft. The only time my muscles were hard was when I was on Masteron (synthetic DHT).
So now I have a massive dose of DHT with a small amount of testosterone left to aromatize, so the DHT is now overwhelming the estrogen release. Everything is working perfectly, I had been theorizing and dreaming of this for 2 months. Due to the massive amount of DHT induction, the DHT is regulating the estrogen in my brain and has reversed the symptoms I have been fighting with for 6 months.
I am not sure what you are trying to debate here Frustrated? It worked, there is nothing to debate, I sent my research and results to Dr Jacobs and recommended he immediately start prescribing Suspension instead of Propionate. The effects are 100X stronger than propionate (as I expected). I think I am done here, the only question is how often I will need to inject this, daily or every 2 days, we will see.
Frustrated, this problem is suppressed 5AR, testosterone Suspension is considered the most powerful steroid available by the entire body building community. I know that you are having trouble understanding that for some reason, but it is an accepted fact by body builders.
steroidal.com/steroid-profil ā¦ uspension/
Frustrated, why does Dr Jacobs understand this completely and you donāt? Dr Jacobs is one of the worldās foremost experts in neuroendocrinology and my theory and protocol makes perfect sense to him. He does not constantly ask me to prove why Suspension works, he understands that by stimulating 5AR on a massive scale and inducing DHT, all the problems resolve. If you cannot understand my theories or why my treatments work, perhaps you should ask Dr Jacobs to explain it to you as he may be better at explaining this than I am.
I am sorry but I am beyond the point of wanting to debate this, I reversed PFS with propionate and lots of AIās, but Suspension has reversed PFS completely with little to no AIās. I have no interest in debating this with you, I am way past debate. I will debate this with Dr Jacobs if he desires, but I no longer am interested in debating this with you. You are welcome to my research and assistance in trying my protocol to recover, but the time for debate passed when Dr Jacobs started prescribing this.
I think you are a bright guy, but you lack experience in hormones, and canāt seem to understand why Suspension works or Propionate works, I cannot fix that for you. You want medical literature to explain something that does not exist in medical literature, this is mechanism of action which is an established fact in the entire world of body building. Just because you donāt have a medical journal article to explain it, does not mean it is not true, if you wait long enough, one will come out of this I am sure. After Dr Jacobs looked at the mechanism of action of propionate, he understood immediately, and I have no desire to continue this discourse with you.
I didnāt have to, I only did it because you asked me to do so. The part I didnāt know about was those specific formulations of testosterone. Iām not a medical/biology expert by any means. But you are far from the first person to hypothesize that 5-AR is not working properly and it is really one of the most obvious explanations, though it still has not yet been proven beyond doubt.
It is not clear you even have PFS. You took a whole plethora of drugs before ever taking a 5-AR inhibitor.
excelmale.com/showthread.php ā¦ Absorption
allthingsmale.com/community/ ā¦ tum.19530/
[i]Androgen therapy of hypogonadal men with transscrotal testosterone systems
The American Journal of Medicine
Volume 83, Issue 3 , Pages 471-478, September 1987
Abstract
The need for improved controlled delivery of testosterone to hypogonadal men stimulated the development of a self-adherent transscrotal testosterone system to provide programmed testosterone delivery through the uniquely permeable scrotal skin. In this short- and long-term efficacy trial, the responses of testosterone and its metabolites to the application of transscrotal testosterone systems of varying testosterone content were compared with the response to 200 mg of testosterone enanthate. Daily transscrotal testosterone system administration resulted in a rapid increase of testosterone and bioavailable, nonsex hormone binding globulin-bound testosterone levels to normal, peaking at two hours, followed by a slow decline over 23 hours, resembling the diurnal variation of endogenous testosterone. One year of daily transscrotal testosterone system therapy demonstrated continued reliable absorption of testosterone and suppression to normal of the luteinizing hormone in two of three patients. There was a greatly disproportionate increase of serum dihydrotestosterone (DHT) over testosterone, suggesting 5-alpha reduction at the scrotal site. The subjects reported marked subjective improvement. Thus, the transscrotal testosterone system is a novel, effective, and well-tolerated method of delivering testosterone to hypogonadal patients.[/i]
[i]"Its been a little over a week, and I have continued with putting 1 click of my gel on my scrotum. Quite frankly, after two years of being on TRT, this is the best it has ever been. My libido has gone through the roof, orgasms are stronger, sensitivity is better, not betterā¦GREAT! Iām stronger in the gym, and just generaly have a lot more mojo going.
Another factor in this that I am wondering about is that I ran out of my saw palmetto blend about a week ago as well. Perhaps its the combination of the two, I donāt know. If giving up the saw palmetto makes this much difference, then I am done taking it."[/i]
Oh, now I donāt have PFS? LOL, come on man, it is getting ridiculous, I assure you I have PFS, that is where this entire theory came from that is helping guys who have posted here! Are you blind? Have you read posts from guys who understand my theory and are improving based protocols based on my theories? While it is obvious 5AR is not working correctly, no one has ever figured out the PFS crashes were estrogen attacks, that they could be stopped and reversed with an AI. No one has figure out that the non response to testosterone is due to estrogen dominance on a neurosteroidal level, that an AI can allow response to testosterone.
Look man, I know you like to argue, but you need to sit this one out, I was on Accutane when I was 21, I was on Finasteride for 13 years and then I took avodart for 2 weeks and crashed. I have been non responsive to testosterone since. The only way I was able to respond to testosterone was with massive amounts of AIās which then caused other problems. Somehow the neurosteroids affect the entire body, you can lower neurosteroidal estrogen with an AI, but it spikes back up as a testosterone ester is being aromatized. The action of a testosterone ester is what our system cannot handle, we exhaust our 5AR supply and start aromatizing. The estrogen then shuts us down, there is 5AR activity, but it is not what it should be, but if you induce DHT on a massive level like this and then remove the testosterone from your system after, you have higher DHT than testosterone and estrogen.
This is the ratio we need to feel normal and to recover, if the dose of testosterone that induced this much DHT were still active in my system, I would be suffering a severe crash right now from estrogen dominance. Since the testosterone dissipated in hours, I am left with a massive amount of DHT and a minimal amount of testosterone, and a low amount of estrogen thus.
This isnāt a theory, it is working, my friend with PFS came over tonight and one injection reversed his entire condition. We are on the same team man, you are fighting against something that will change this for you and everyone here. Just relax and let this play out, the time for debate has passed, it is time to test this out on a lot of guys.
SUSPENSION is the final protocol for PFS, I mean, this is what I can use to go on and live my life now without having to take AIās all day.
By the way, when this Suspension is proven to be the treatment for PFS, I will be rubbing it in Frustrated's face for eternity, I will setup a website devoted to rubbing it in his face with all his posts lol.We can agree on the bolded part: Time to test it out! Rubbing in faces and victory laps later 
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Still waiting for a single person to come on here and report they had improvements. Why donāt you have this one friend you cured in person come and post on here?
By the way testosterone attached to esters remains inactiveā¦ it is only when the ester is broken down that the testosterone is released and can be aromatized. You donāt know what youāre saying. It cannot aromatize while it is still attached to an ester.
You are also definitely not the first one to speculate that crashes are influenced by estrogen. It is also pretty obvious when one common symptom is wild mood swings where you will paranoid one minute to sentimental and sad the next. This whole focus on āneurosteroidal estrogenā is nonsense. You will need to look at the metabolites of progesterone for answers. It has already been shown (although in a small sample size) that those metabolites are almost entirely depleted in guys with PFS.
PS You completely neglected to mention you were playing around with AIs and testosterone injections before you supposedly developed PFS. Your stories are always missing facts and are filled with contradictions.
holy shit JQD, if Suspension is the cure even without an AI you are seriously the fucking man. A true hero.
I swear to God and everyone on this forum, mark the date and time.
if JQDāS protocol turns my life around, im flying you out here to New York on my dime.
I have an amazing girlfriend now that I met a little over a month ago and I can tell already
that sheās definitely the one for sure. but whats plaguing me and my thoughts about the relationship is the whole sex and penile sensitivity issue.
yes im sure I can take pde5ās to have sex but how long will that last for.
bro if this turns things around and makes me happy again, I am eternally in your debt.
This is what Suspension looks like, it is a milky substance, the milky stuff are testosterone crystals, it was difficult to inject as they get clogged in the needle (I read about this). I had to use a very wide needle (thankfully I has a 21 gauge). I am sure a 23 gauge works, but I had a 25 gauge which was way too thin I guess. When you inject it you have to really press hard if it gets clogged, took me 3 syringes before I figured it out.
Dude, I can say without a doubt it all stops here, only problem is, I got PFS trying to solve my oily skin causing acne, now I am back where I started lol. This drug will make things even worse, but, whatever, after what I have been through this past 6 months, I can handle anything.
I know PFS is still here, but I have NO signs of it right now, so to repeat the concept here so everyone can understand.
Here is why Suspension works.
Suspension quickly converts to DHT, it is considered the most potent steroid on the planet, yet it is just a different form of testosterone (pure testosterone). So our compromised 5AR system shoots into action reducing this test to DHT the best it can, the DHT kills off estrogen, then we have a big load of DHT with a 5 day half life. After the injection the testosterone levels decline in our blood by the minute, the problem with PFS is post injection. This is why you often hear stories of guys with PFS injecting testosterone cypionate and responding once and then never again.
The reason for this is our 5ar system exhausts and we start aromatizing the slow release ester, the estrogen levels are steady and release 24/7 (like testosterone should). The reason is the whole release is being aromatized, the estrogen shuts us down completely. So with suspension we have just the DHT action, and it is HEAVY, so we have a HEAVY hit to our system which induces as much DHT as possible, then the DHT is more than enough to handle the estrogen which our exhausted system starts releasing from the testosterone left behind.
In a matter of hours the testosterone declines and declines, leaving us with a low dose of testosterone, and a high dose of DHT, so it is as if we took Proviron or some form of synthetic DHT. We have high DHT which then irreversibly suicide inhibits the estrogen. So we create a situation where it is almost like we took DHT, remember how guys on here have taken Proviron, improved and then crashed after and got worse?
That was because they were using exogenous DHT which shut down their own DHT production (and testosterone production), the result was less DHT to regulate estrogen and a huge estrogen attack and crash. This is our endogenous DHT, and it is created via 5AR reduction, so we get the actions of 5AR enzymes, and DHT increases thus in our brain and the neurosteroidal ratio fixes via our autonomic system.
So this is like taking proviron and feeling good, but without the following decline in our system and crash, since this is our own system doing this, nothing bad can happen, we will only improve. Even if we don't recover, this is reversal without having to deal with taking AI's all day, we are using our own DHT to kill off estrogen. Essentially testosterone suspension is acting as a 5ar and DHT precursor and an anti estrogen, this is all due to its mechanism of action. Propionate is but a shadow compared to suspension, propionate makes PFS manageable with lots of AI's, but hey, it was better than nothing! Now one shot and nothing else, maybe some arimidex, but a small dose (just for normal sides), and that's it! No PFS symptoms, they are all gone! I can't crash because there is no testosterone to create a huge estrogen surge, the DHT in my system has a 5 day half life, so it isn't running out! Tomorrow I will inject again and just produce more DHT! I plan to take a blood test this week and my DHT levels will probably be ridiculously high which will be proof enough!
I am astonished, I thought suspension would make things easier, I thought I would feel the same, but I had no idea, I do recommend taking at least 1mg of arimidex, we do have an estrogen dominance condition, it's only going to help. That aside, I could not even go out tonight, I have been stunned! I have been living like some kind of drug addict for the past 6 months constantly regulating my system.
Anyone who has been following my theories knows what course I have been on, from day one, I don't know how I kept on, but I did. I think I covered 10 years of research and experimentation in about 6 months, if you guys believe things happen for a reason, perhaps that is why I got this, to solve it. I am known for solving things, complex things, my mother was never worried about me, she told me she knew I would solve this. She watched me as my whole life I did things others could not, I always did things my own ways, before I discovered this, I had a long list of unique accomplishments.
Anyone who thinks this is about my ego should note that my name is secret, I have not revealed it, Dr Jacobs will get all the credit for this. I have not accepted any money from anyone, Dr Jacobs found me credible enough to start prescribing my protocol, I only wish I had started with suspension. Now there are lots of people out there starting with Propionate, and Suspension can make things 100X easier.
My work is complete now, in the end, the solution to this condition was a form of testosterone that was created in 1933, the oldest form of testosterone, so old that it has been ignored. Yet it exists, why does it exist? I am sure some smart Endo's somewhere understand its value.Youāre the man!! Keep us posted, bro!
Great news. DHT half-life is really 5 days??? Possible you wonāt even need daily injections of Suspensionā¦ this is great news man.
Not really.
You need more patients testing and having success with the protocol over a long period of time before you can claim anything.
How often do I have to repeat that. Let that sink in.
And will you test this protocol? Practice what you preach? No, cause youāre a whiney bitch. Let that sink inā¦