Why not start a new thread…there’s a progesterone thread floating around. This is JQD’s thread and unless you’re doing his specific Test Prop/Susp injections with Arimidex/Letro protocol, then you should go on the Progesterone thread or start one like JQD.
Yo JQD, sorry if I’m alarmist or condescending but IMO first replace propionate to test out Suspension before adding the testo booster, so that we at least know how well it suits the protocol. If u change or add too many parts then it might make it harder to tell what part is changing the game so to speak (though I suppose you know how to handle the estrogen control anyways so that can be changed). Looking forward to hear results in time! EDIT: wow, good luck balancing suspension with the t2e aromatization, seems like tightrope walking. talk about bio-hacking!
And when is it that you intend to announce that this is the new and real saviour of all PFS sufferers?
Because that is the pattern which you follow for each thing you’ve Googled that day.
Suspension is here!!!
Mozart music playing in the background, like the kind you would hear when watching a movie about the life story of someone making a big discovery lol.
Hey man, you don’t have to read this thread, no one is forcing you to read my research as I find newer and more efficient means of practicing my theory. You can go read my very first protocol and try it, it’s extremely long and complex but at least you won’t be bothered by scientific progress. Or I think you should go read another thread that talks about natural recovery. Perhaps all this research and data is just too much for you to handle.
Natural is better man, in 10 years of estrogen exposure maybe you will improve a little, you are right actually, im going to cease all research and quit now and stop sharing data with dr Jacobs and stop posting here. I mean what’s the point, posting progress is a bad thing isn’t it? I’ll keep it to myself. That’s what I should do right?
And those researching treatments for cancer and Aids, they should also stop, I mean if they keep coming up with new treatments it hurts their credibility. Look how many times Aids and Cancer researchers have announced new treatments and progress, it just makes them look bad. They should stop too, everyone should stop and become an estrogen dominated negative douche like you and tell everyone this is incurable and untreatable.
Hormones don’t work remember? Nothing works, and everyone is going to commit suicide, isn’t that the theme of this forum? A bunch of losers with double D breasts that tell guys who get this condition that it’s hopeless and not to try hormones because we are all non responsive? Why? Because a couple guys who didn’t know what the fuck they were doing couldn’t figure it out. So the only hope is the Harvard research so all you guys with an agenda of suing and nothing more can sue.
Just like doctors tell you this isn’t real and it’s all in your head, the same for me, there is no way to treat this, I’m imagining this all and dr Jacobs is just cashing in right? I should stop finding new treatments, it just hurts my credibility. Or perhaps what’s going to happen eventually is I will just stop sharing my research with this forum and just take care of myself, what the hell do I need you for?
One thing I can promise you is its highly unlikely ANYONE in their right mind who recovers would post here and face jerks like you. Anyone reading this that improves is just going to move on with their life, posting here is pointless, they will just be attacked and mocked by women like you that used to be men long ago and now have become bitter PMS ridden douche bags.
If you keep antagonizing me, I will keep responding till Mew eventually bans me and then you will have nothing, so keep it up buddy.
Go away. Let the man do his thing. He is doing and experimenting something all the time, all the power to him. Argue and I’ll just ignore it.
Don’t you get it gefinauser? He doesn’t want anyone to recover unless they come up with 1 pill the first try that cures pfs, but that’s not possible because nothing works. Anyone who is working on a cure should be silenced because ummm wait what’s his reasoning for silencing me?
Good post gefinauser, we should ostracize guys like him till they go away, they are why guys who improve don’t want to post here.
JQD,
I posted about letro some 20 pages back warning about what a harsh AI it is. I mentioned that it will crush libido not only for the reason that it can literally crush your E down to nothing but that it acts on the brain in a way that directly impacts libido negatively. I have been using and studying hormones for 15 years. very few bodybuilders would even run letro during a heavyblast/cycle. it’s a libido killer, it will dry out your joint and tendons like no other AI. Bodybuilders keep it on hand for emergencies only…like if they get gyno flare up. letro is so strong that it is the only drug that arguably can reverse existing gyno. I urge you guys to spend some time on professionalmuscle.com. the knowledge of hormones and manipulation of them is unsurpassed there. I understand we are diferent than bodybuilders because we have PFS but I still would rather use an AI that isn’t known to act on the brain in a manner that impedes libido.
Also, I’m going to predict that propionate will remain the better choice for us over suspension. Most physique athletes would never touch suspension. because it’s suspended in water with NO esther there is a rapid convertion of T to E. Although like JQD has said, you also probably get a huge surge of DHT as well. however, susension is VERY androgenic and known to cause bloating, acne, rapid gyno deelopment and water retention more so than any other form of test. Now I have never studied these componds in a text book or pharma school…I am just speaking from real hands on experience and what I have heard many many bodybuilders report with there experience with suspension.
however it is impotant to remember that it’s not uncommon for bodybuilders to run suspension at doses of around 50 -100mg per day…or more.
But I will anxiously await JQD’s report of how suspesion works for him with PFS. I’m only here to help and lend knowledge where I can. I hope we figure this all out together
I bought calcium D glucarate yesteday and took my first dose…after drinking it I felt head pressure and felt like I was stoned…then waited 30mins and it kicked in…depression lifted and I was talking and being more receptive…hasnt cured my deression but felt like I can enjoy the afternoon, walk around without feeling like a zombie…I even felt more sensations down there…still noodle dick thin but more vibes were being felt!..
we just have to try which anti-estrogens work with us…I tried DIM and it made me feel worse and pee was super dark yellow…wont try that again…
my liquid arimidex and letrozole finally arrived…I am on a natural test booster, until I get my bloods tomorrow and will organise it sent to Jacobs…
Im also using DHEA 25m x2 daily…i think this is helping a litte hard to tell and also use pregnenolone cream at night…at this stage I know its not a cure just want to be able to get through the day instead of feeling like im crawling through the day…
good work everyone…different products might help people differently…as long as we stick to the theory JQD has been talking about.
Stomper, you are correct about Letro (I advise it for emergencies and to try and get by with arimidex, but in some cases guys really need it like Legendary), but we are different than body builders, while their science helps us, our bodies do not work like theirs. That being said, you have quoted the usual misconception body builders have, they tend to think all estrogenic and androgenic sides are together and from the same problem. Body Builders often claim anti estrogens kill acne, but they are confused in that respect, it is easy to be unless you have a condition like ours.
I tried Suspension and it was everything I imagined it would be and theorized it would be, I got a massive DHT surge, MASSIVE, I haven’t had this response since before PFS. I injected a low dose of 20mg, remember that DHT has a 5 day half life, our problem occurs at the ester level, not the initial injection. The initial injection is where the test induces 5AR and converts to DHT, with all other forms of test, we have a minimal DHT conversion and then run out of 5AR and start aromatizing a slow release ester that continues on for days (even propionate for 24-36 hours).
With Suspension, there is a massive stimulation of 5AR and conversion to DHT, the DHT remains and as every minute passes the testosterone blood plasma level is dropping (and thus the estrogen). My muscles are as hard as they were on Masteron, my mood is amazing, libido boosted. I had feared there would be some massive estrogen surge and my theories would be wrong, but that did not occur, because thats a problem for a normal guy, that is not a problem for us. The problem for us occurs after the injection, and we aren’t using huge doses.
It is possible that we will require 1 dose every 3 days, DHT is 10X more anabolic than testosterone, the test is declining and the DHT is remaining. It may be that this is all we need for PFS (as I dreamed and theorized), I have yet to need any AI and it has been a couple hours, I will report back. This has been a long journey, and I didn’t come to this conclusion/theory by accident, anyone who has been following me knows this developed over 6 months of trial, theory and practice. I have been talking about Suspension for months now, I had my doubts, I really did.
Let me explain again, this is considered the most potent steroid on the planet by body builders, we inject it, it maxes our compromised system out, induces as much DHT as is possible. The testosterone blood plasma levels decline in a matter of hours (leaving very little behind) the DHT then at high doses (having a 5 day half life) will irreversibly suicide inhibit estrogen (kill estrogen).
My first part of the theory is confirmed, now we wait and see how this plays out, I am not sure this will require daily injections, our system is warped, the rules have changed. Who the fuck would have thought after having a 10 drug protocol I would come to one fucking drug in the end!!! I feel great, I haven’t had this surge since pre PFS (except the few times I spontaneously reversed). This reaction isn’t like any I have had thus far, granted I could have an estrogen surge later, but as I have stated before, the estrogen is from the ester, I have never had this kind of reaction from propionate, not like this.
There isn’t that estrogenic feeling, all PFS sides and signs of side are completely GONE, I know it is soon, but this isn’t some random experiment, this is an evolution of 6 months of trial and error and theory, the science and mathematics add up. I will report back later and tomorrow.
nice work JQD, kep posting up how you feel on Suspension bro.
this us really a big discovery and f this works for you you may have been the dude that saved thousands of guys.
just keep posting and FUCK all the naysayers.
as long as your posts are honest and truthful you don’t have to answer to any of us
Great work Lukas, this is the spirit, think outside the box, my theories are bigger than any 1 protocol, they are concepts that allow us to understand what is going on and how to work around it. Is it easy? No, is it worth it? That depends on how much value guys here put on reversing PFS. BTW Luka, I was taking pregnenolone supplements and quit them as I felt they were spiking my estrogen, keep that in mind. Though moonman says they are the only thing that worked to control his estrogen.
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Amen!
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Stomper, I wanted to mention that while I agree with you about letrozole, it is very strong and will kill libido, my protocols are designed to be the least estrogenic as possible. With a guy who has pfs, it’s possible that on a long acting eater like enanthate that daily 2.5mg doses of Letro (or even 2 doses) could balance out due to our condition.
With the advent of my suspension protocol my body is starting to produce a lot of sebum and I will start breaking out pretty bad soon. Propionate already has caused that, so I have to think for myself if other options are possible. It may be that my system is recovering with this protocol and I can handle a longer ester, or the Letro will make it possible. There really is only 1 way to find out, so I’ll be testing that theory down the line.
Also, this may not make sense to some, but suspension while on enanthate would induce 5ar and dht and allow us to be more responsive to enanthate. That is due to its quick release, I already know this to be true as I was using prop while on enanthate innirially as a “boost” and it did work the way I said.
I know for most people it has been difficult to keep up with me, I have covered 10 years of research and development in 6 months. So that is the importance of this thread which I believe is the most important thread on this entire forum.
The future aside, however the next 24 hours plays out, nothing has made me feel this way or induced dht and stimulated 5ar like suspension. It did cause water retention, but that’s the only estrogen symptom I have had, no pfs estrogen synptoms. As I theorized, the pfs estrogen symptoms occur from the ester, the dht inducing power of suspension is what we need. If every guy on this entire forum was on suspension, everyone here would be normal. This is considered the most powerful steroid on earth by body builders.
I already can feel that I’m not dealing with the testosterone ester, dr Jacobs is prescribing Suspension, I have not written him yet about my experience today. What I will do is get blood tests done with him so we can confirm my dht levels have gone way up!
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JQD hows the libido on Suspension vs Prop, bro??
and for the next month will be what? any plans? 
just kidding!
i hope this suspension works!
I know it’s been a lot of developments, but that’s how I roll! If something doesn’t work I already have a plan B. If something works I already have a Plan B lol, I figured pfs out, I think most here agree with my theories. I found out how to reverse it, but it’s still not an easy protocol, all im trying to do is find the most effective and easiest long term treatment. I mean who knows how long we will have to be on this, so I don’t want to drag out my experimentation and trials for years, im not going to do that like many on this forum have. Within the next 3 months (hopefully much sooner) I’ll decide upon 1 treatment long term which makes the most sense and works the best and that will be what I stick to. It could he that suspension backfires with estrogen, I doubt it, can’t see how, but based on my posts many here have gone from hopeless to improving.
I know it’s a joke by now, but history will look back at me and this thread as a hero who didn’t stop and tried multiple protocols (almost daily) till I fixed it. Remember that we all came to this forum ruined only to read thousands of threads of hopelessness and dead ends. It could be that this forum goes on and only some guys follow this protocol, it could be that it takes years for this to catch on. However, this thread will exist for someone who doesn’t want to wait around. I believe I’m the first person to reverse pfs with hormones, the first person to figure out what pfs crashes are and how to stop and reverse them, the first person with the best working theory. The first person to get dr Jacobs to prescribe his protocol (not just 1 protocol but the newer one too).
Yes I have a big ego, but who else could survive this forum without a strong ego and will? I’m a fighter and I don’t give up. Eventually I’ll settle on 1 protocol and leave several behind, and many here will come up with their own (and already have). The theory and treatment for pfs is going to be a long thread, while this thread is becoming as big as a book, so what. I would have paid anything to have this thread when I first got pfs, I would probably be recovered by now if I did. Imagine how this is going to help everyone. Even the doubters here are starting to become quiet, with people posting one positive report after another using variations based on my theories, it’s hard to say too much.
Hey JQD, have you read about how applying androgel directly to the scrotum causes massive surges of DHT…
the theory is that its because most 5ar is located in the soft tissue of the male genitals.
Ya, I’ve heard that too. Could be another alternative…