to the above poster,
all due respect, first of all this protocol is a little more than a month old id say. the only guy that has really used it is jqd because he has access to the shit we need unlike most ppl. I have to go through blood labs and waiting then get prescribed it. this shit takes time to get and more time to see if it even works, which I believe it will.
you wont see any real progress and posting til well after the new year.
if I took propecia for 8 months, do u think this protocol will fix me in 1? I doubt it.
Absolutely. I have no problem with this taking time. I do have a problem with premature victory laps. I just wanted to make clear what I believe would be serious anecdotal evidence: 20+ patients with significant improvements over a significant amount of time who have shared their process on this thread. Simple really, if this protocol actually works.
Meanwhile I strongly believe members of this forum should participate in the studies (they still need more participants for the US studies as far as I know) and donate to the foundation!
Exactly, it takes time to acquire the gear. It takes time to see if you get a response. If you do it takes time to make sure it lasts. All you have to do is search around a little and you will find threads just like this. Guys that through they were 100% after going on Test. One of the poor guys was attacked right away. The typical see if it lasts bitā¦ http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4352
Strong post, idiot. All those treatments have similar method of actions. Maca, Tribulus, Asparagus, Testosterone, Arimidexā¦they all manipulate androgen and estrogen levels, in similar ways. Thatās why success is experienced with them.
I took an OTC herbal product about 5 years ago. Combination of a litany of herbs. Guess what? Every single PFS symptom gone. Boners, night wood, morning wood, great libido, CONFIDENCE, felt alpha male, calmness, brain fog gone!!
Think that affected hormones too, Einstein? Are you morons seriously that dense you canāt add one and one together?
What do you think propecia is, exactly? What do you think it does? It manipulates HORMONES in the body. Which effects other hormones. Is it really so far fetched that hormonal drugs will require hormonal cures??
JQDās protocol is nothing new. The bodybuilding community have experimented with steroids for decades, with similar results.
Go check any TRT forum. Go check any bodybuilding forum. High estrogen = no libido. Low estrogen = no libido. Many men coming off steroid cycles lose their sex drive and boners. Why? Elevated estrogen. There are literally thousands of posts across the internet on various message boards that confirm this effect. Further, several guys on these boards have experimented with AIās, and had good recovery in some areas. What does that tell you?!?!
Because you are so stupid, dense and generally ignorant to it, doesnāt make it untrue or far fetched. Sorry. Now get out there and research the forums, dummy. Or better yet, talk to a TRT doctor that actually understands male hormones and theyāll confirm the same relationship between T:E.
Thereās a large contingent of losers around here that would rather watch some guy fail, then get over PFS. Itās that simple. Itās always the know-it-alls. The self-proclaimed āintellectualsā. The pessimists.
Doesnt matter what you think is new and isnt. Apparently the task of providing solid anecdotal evidence of real PFS patients with this protocol is very daunting.
Calling me a dummy doesnt make your babbling any more convincing.
Seems like you are a real genius, if you are so certain that you have figured out PFS. So certain that providing real evidence with PFS patients is above you.
How hard is it to understand that I am not talking about the details of your theory. I am talking about the necessity of testing the theory in real life over a significant PFS-patient sample group over a significant amount of time.
Even Einstein tested out his theories. Are you above the scientific process you nut??
If you go down to the section thatās entitled āProgesterone and Menā youāll see that excessive estrogen in men is linked to prostate cancer.
In some ways, it may be good that we have PFS and cannot ignore our high estrogen levels. We can then be viligiant to watch for prostate cancer, and hopefully can figure out a way to keep our estrogen levels down. Iāve known people who have died from prostate cancer. It is not a nice way to go. Hopefully everyone on this forum is getting checked once a year for prostate cancer. I think out of anyone, our estrogen levels are sky high, and we are at REAL risk.
Hopefully this protocol works. It would keep our estrogen in check and hopefully also reduce the risk of prostate cancer by reducing estrogen in our bodies.
I hope as JQD says, it doesnāt have to be a permanent protocol. Weāll see. Time will tell.
mcibofh and pvdl, I honestly donāt get guys like you. Specifically mcibofh. I have not once seen you post a remotely positive reply to anything, anywhere on the forum. What is your deal? Youāre maybe the most negative person Iāve ever come across in my entire life. Absolutely nothing that anyone says can convince you that there are ways to improve this condition. You just stew in your pessimism and lash out at anyone who has an optimistic attitude to try to bring them down. I honestly have no idea what youāre trying to accomplish. Why do you keep these arguments up? What the fuck do you have to gain by spreading your negativity? Why do you even post at all if youāre so certain that nothing in the world can help you?
Iām 19 fucking years old and I have no libido, barely any feeling in my dick, no energy, awful brain fog, awful bags under my eyes, and much more, but Iām enjoying my life and staying positive, because I know this gets better. Iām simply not letting it consume my entire being and wallowing in negativity. Tumbleweeds and JQD, keep doing what youāre doing. The forum needs way more positive guys like you.
Are you simple? There are 4 people on this theead we know of that are starting the protocol, ihatepropecia has recovered from pfs but still has it with hormones and only this protocol works for him. Lots of guys have signed up with dr Jacobs and I have had dozens of private messages from guys staying they started it. 3 guys I know of have responded to this protocol, 1 to a variation of it.
So what are you saying, that you want me to force some of these people to progress faster and pressure people to post here who are not ready to just to satisfy your curiosity?
It is being tested you moron, by dr Jacobs, and no one wants to post here because of people like you, so I wouldn't hold my breath. After your nasty posts, why would anyone want to endure the same treatment as I have? You haven't made this a supportive and happy place, you have been attacking and insulting me.
The people im in contact with all specifically said they do not want to post here. Even Moonman who has been an active poster here for 10 years, he is starting the protocol and doesnāt want to come on here during the process. So Iām sorry to tell you buddy that you are out of the loop lol. You are just going to have to wait till people report back here, if they do. It doesnāt matter to me or people going on this protocol as it is working. I donāt need to prove anything to you, dr Jacobs is already studying my protocol and the results.
And itās up to the people doing this protocol to post or not. Who the hell are you but some jerk on a forum, what do I care what you think? I already got Dr Jacobs to work with it, thatās all that matters. You are one person out of countless guys in contact with me, you represent no one but yourself.
Im not negative at all. I am actually constructive and in a sense almost positive: If you want to validate a theory (and I have not stated anything about the theory itself, I dont have an opinion on it, as I am not qualified to judge its validity) you have to prove it out! What exactly is negative about the scientific process?
Isnt it much more negative to not want to test this theory in the most scientific way possible. In a organized manner. Especially when one thinks one has found the answer, I find this totally baffling. I would actually want to test it out on as many people as possible in the most organized form possible.
Instead tumbleweeds deems it necessary to call me a dummy, just because I said: Wait a minute, before you take victory laps, how about testing out your theory over a larger sample size and over a longer period of time. Thats a strictly rational approach and has nothing to do with negativity.
Also I am suggesting to participate in studies and donating to the foundation. What is so negative about that? Isnt harvard studying this worth your time? Isnt it positive to remind people that they need to support this scientific route instead of getting lost in home-brew science.
Yes and I congratulate you for the effort you put in. I still dont see how I am attacking you. I only cautioned against taking victory laps before testing out the theory over a significant sample size. I dont think this caution can be characterized as me attacking or demeaning you.
If you agree with testing it out great, lets wait and see what results come in. I have no problem with waiting, only with people declaring victory before the results have come in.
Getting back to my earlier post, I know itās slightly off topicā¦
I get the sense that a lot of you guys have been on this forum for awhile. Maybe 3-5 years even. During this time, have any members mentioned that theyāve developed (and/or got treated for) prostate cancer?
I was on propecia for 14 years. Iām probably one of the most high risk people on this forum. I want to prepare for whatās coming down the road, if possible.
Not sure if you can prepare for something like thatā¦ but maybe you can.
Sadly, thereās always a handful of guys who cry and moan, āit canāt be doneā, then pull down anyone who tries. Such is life. We will improve and we will figure this out.
What do you think this is, man? An Ivy League University with a multi-billion dollar endowment?
When you come back down to earth, let us know. Clinical studies are expensive, run by research institutions (usually large universities), and require significant resources and participants. Your approach could take YEARS before even such a study is proposed. Meanwhile, youāll be sitting in the corner playing with your floppy dick thumbing through journals for articles on PFS.
The best weāve got is to gueini pig ourselves and go on anecdotal experience + established biology. Sorry if you donāt like that. But thatās exactly what YOU DID when you took propecia. Thatās what we all did.
Now, we get your point. Your point is noted. This is all very āunscientificā. Noted. Now please run along and fuck off, or contribute something worthwhile. Cool?
One simple question: will YOU be part of this ālarger sample sizeā and test out this theory? You know, like actually practice what you preach??? No, you wonāt. All youāre gonna do is sit and throw stones all day cause youāre a whiner.
15mg of prop plus 1.25mg of Letro plus calcium D Glucarate 3 pills 4x a day
The calcium d Glucarate at 1500mg 3-4x a day has made significant gains in me, I went back on Letrozole but this time a very low dose, I seem to be doing well.
It seems I came to the same number as ihatepropecia for some reason, after trying every dose, Iāll update in the future after I start testing suspension (tomorrow). Iāll respond I the posts here tonight
Wow. On what planet is being concerned about having prostate cancer ābabblingā. Youāre a fucking prick dude. Why donāt you just get off this forum.
Hereās my update. Based on feedback from JQD I started taking 50 mg of DHEA yesterday along with 1mg of arimidex yesterday to control the estrogen. Today I woke and had 50 mg of DHEA again and took no Arimdex and a few hours later started feeling pretty bad. I felt lethargic, depressed, had brain fog, full PFS symptoms like a crash. I have been keeping progesterone on me because I have used it whenever I feel a crash coming on so I went and applied 10 mg and about an hour later I felt much better (better than my baseline).
About an hour and a half ago I was laying my head in my girlfriends lap and felt a feeling I havenāt felt in probably ten + years, it was just a good, loving feeling that I remembered since before I started taking finasteride. When it came over me I suddenly remembered that this feeling even existed and it felt so good that I actually started to cry. I was crying because I was happy to feel again but also depressed because I know Iāve been missing real feeling for ten + years and had just forgotten them. Iāve been disconnected from my feelings and other people and tonight I was able to experience a little bit of that again, so Iām definitely thankful for that. On another note my thinking has been smoother and I have felt all around better tonight.
I have to add that I am also taking high doses of Tribulus for about a week, as well as continuing progesterone treatment (Iāve been at it for around seven months now) so that may play a part in it as well. Iām going to continue the DHEA and try to use progesterone to control the estrogen surges and if that doesnāt work will move back to Arimidex. Itās too early to say for sure but it seems like something positive is definitely happening. Definitely not cured but itās a step in the right direction.
