Final protocol 100% pfs reversal with dht therapy - lastpost

JustQuitDut i would like to contact with you and talk privately if it’s possible.

Ive spent the last hour going through this thread but I just can’t read through 60 pages. I barely understand what we’re talking about here anyway!
Can someone just some up these key points: how many people have tried this protocol? How many people have claimed it helped? Also, does it really cost $600 just for one appointment with Dr. Jacobs??? And is he even prescribing these medicines or is he advising you to buy it online?
I am so fucking desperate you have no idea……for the past 5 years I’ve told myself that time with heal this and that I should learn my lesson and not experiment with more drugs. But i just can’t go on any more without trying something. Is there the possibility that these testosterone drugs could fuck me up even worse?

i am taking 25mcg t4 nearly 2.5 years with stable mood. And now i am searching that thyroxine intake alters estrogen levels, maybe that may be another detail has to be looked up.


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don’t worry Pie, ill help u.
ill be as concise as possible.
a guy on here JQD, his protocol is basically to use testosterone propionate, which holds a shorter ester than other forms of testosterone.
the longer the ester, the greater the chance of it turning into estrogen. his proposal, and he’s positive of it, that we are estrogen dominated.
what Test propionate’s (short ester) feature is that it’s shorter acting. so it hits your body with test and dht fast and hard and doesn’t stick around long enough to convert to estrogen, as other longer formed esterfied test’s do. I beleibe it’s hald life is 24-36 hours, where as others are a week or more.

the plan is to repair the 5AR system. basicalyy what this protocol does is the exact opposite of what propecia did.
so, also with an AI like armidex we control estrogen and keep it low but DEF NOT TOO LOW. youre libido will suffer if its too low.

the dose varies but basically JQD says, 10-20mg of test prop every day or every other day, u have to figure that out on your own depending on how u feel. and some armidex with it.
Thats’ it. im sure there are other details I could jazz it up with but that’s the most concise I could be

hope this helps

SG, I am trying to be friendly towards Frustrated, so I am not going to say anything bad about him, all I will say is that you should ask Dr Jacobs about the esters and not read what someone on the internet posts on a forum. Frustrated is just confused about them, I have never in my life met anyone who said that whichever ester doesn’t matter, I know lots of guys who workout and use steroids (real life practice). If anyone said that to guys who use steroids they would laugh in their face, so not everything is worth my time in debating or discussing when it is common knowledge.
Not only that, Dr Jacobs told you on the phone that Propionate was better based on his “hormone bible,” so this concept I will not discuss or debate as it is an established fact. Lots of guys come here to try and red my protocol and say this thread is too long, and it is because people keep trying to debate things that have been discussed time and again here, so I am done debating. I am just posting my experiences and want others to do the same, Dr Jacobs is prescribing the protocol, there is nothing left to debate, now just trials.

  I have 3 people who have told me they are on it with success, they will not come forward, probably 20 to 30 more have sent me messages that they are starting it, so just wait and people will come forward eventually, good or bad.

Is there any evidence for this from lab tests?

What’s incredibly discouraging to me through all this is that I’ve been taking arimidex for six months now and have had no improvement. This theory seems to really make a lot of sense, and it fits together with a lot of other ideas, and many people have benefitted from AIs, so why haven’t I?

It’s possible that because I took saw palmetto and not fin my case is different, but I know of several saw palmetto guys that benefitted a lot from AIs as well. Sorry if this comes off whiny, I’m in no way trying to challenge the theory it really seems to make sense, I’m just frustrated that I’ve only gotten worse

Hey there, contact Dr Jacobs, he is a doctor, a neuroendocrinologist that treats this, ask him to go on the testosterone propionate protocol, let him work with you. I have reversed this with this protocol, so it is definitely worth trying, it took me a long time to come up with this.

Well Matt, if your testosterone is low you can lower your estrogen too much and an AI won’t help much at all, have you tried using testosterone boosters and arimidex with them? You should not be taking more than 0.25mg at a time on natural test and with low levels you need to get on clomid or some test booster.
I highly recommend you go to Dr Jacobs, contact him and get your levels checked and have him guide you through this, I have a feeling you are popping large doses of arimidex and have low testosterone and have lowered your estrogen too much. If it were so easy as just taking a bunch of arimidex, this would have been fixed long ago, it depends on your levels, you may need testosterone propionate.
What are your levels? How much arimidex are you taking?

JQD is Jacobs currently prescribing Testosterone Suspension?
not sure if u said he is or not

Some guys show higher estrogen, some guys normal, neuroestrogen doesn’t show in blood tests, if it did, doctors would have known about this long ago.

Yes, I thought you were a patient of his now?

What is the dosage you re using?? Also correct me if I am wrong JQD, if your testosterone is low , only arimedex wont do it. So you need to raise your testosterone with either test suspension or propionate, any other form of test will also fail, cause it will turn into estrogen due to our weakened 5 ar enzyme metabolism.

Oh ok I didnt see the answer up there. Sorry for that. At least I understood the concept. lol

I have been following this thread for awhile. I have experiemented some with liquid ameridex but I did not feel a response in the day/night that I tried it. Is supplementing with just ameridex supposed to be used for awhile before you feel anything or should it be immediate? Last time I checked my total test it was in the low upper 300’s which is pretty low for a guy in his 20’s and my E was on the higher side. Perhaps my test is too low to supplement with just an AI.

I am interested in trying this complete protocol. However, one concern I do have is what the effect on fertility is when using exogenous testosterone like propionate or suspension long term like JQD is suggesting. I want to get out of this mess and I think JQD and IHP could be on the right track but I would hate to nuke my testicles and hope of having children into oblivion.

of course im a patient of his, I have the receipts to prove it lol
i just couldn’t remember if you said he was thinking about it or out right prescribing it.
he and only spoke about propionate.
fuck if he’s doing suspension now ill take that shit brah…when he emails me ill ask him

Very good Brazilian dude, you get an A in my class :wink: that’s correct

   Once you get yourself fixed you can restore your testicles with clomid or hcg, body builders abuse steroids for decades at ridiculous doses that would equal what I suggest taking in a year they would take in a week. So I wouldn't worry about that, your test is very low, arimidex won't do shit till you raise it. Contact dr Jacobs and ask to go on the propionate protocol, worry about kids later.
   Have you even made sure that you don't respond to testosterone normally? The way you know would be if you crashed. If you crashed you will only respond to this protocol, if you never crashed then you may respond to normal hrt. It's worth noting guys conceive on hrt while using hcg.
    Gotta get this nightmare fixed man
 I haven't been pushing people to suspension till I get mine and can established a good protocol with it, but it definitely is the bomb for us. If you want to give it a shot then ask for it, it will induce more dht than propionate and less estrogen, ihatepropecia has confirmed that to us, and my limited use also confirms that.