Injecting anabolic steroids will have similar effects to endogenous produced testosterone but all forms of it will down regulates your own production causing your testicles to shrink.
Has anybody checked with doctor Jacobs to even verify he is working with this guy. So far we only have his word to go on. It would be very helpful if somebody who is meeting with him asked about this and asked if Dr. Jacobs endorses these ideas.
wait a minute wait a minute.
If the amount of conversion to Estrogen is contingent upon the length or amount of esther
and JQD is saying that TEST SUS has NO esther, then why or how is this being confused or badgered.
He said right there, in super doses you get super amounts of E because thatās what BODYBUILDERS do.
I worked the front desk in a gym, trust me I know what they do. I was a 100 pounds lighter than them
but they told me all their routines and shit like that. And they ALL over did and they liked it. 1200mg a week of this a 1000 of that.
Thatās insane.
BUT what I think JQD is saying, and stop me if im wrong JQD,
is u must take just enough for it to have a positive effect on your system without overloading the system.
Overload the 5 ar system then hello Estrogen Land. Play by the rules, then it wont.
I can vouch for JQD speaking with Jacobs.
I had a phone call with him on December 4th and while he could not tell me his name of course nor did I ask.
I mentioned basically the Test prop guy and he knew exactly who he was.
So theres your proof and its the truth
If estrogen production is dependent on length of the attached ester that makes sense but that is an important if. Brazilian Dude posted sources showing that is not true and knowledgeable doctors have also disputed this. Proof is needed other than he talked to some independent guys who donāt get high estrogen levels from testosterone suspension.
Well what did he say about testosterone propionate versus other forms. Why was he not using it before? Has he prescribed this to new patents with success? Are there additional risks beyond more conventional forms of trt? Anything else interesting to offer?
ok good point but,
if u look at the second website cited its steroidabuse.com
these websites are only talking about super doses and abuse of the substance. thatās why the estrogen of course.
the beauty of jqds protocol is the fact that it is a small dose and an ai if u need it
I only had a 20 min phone call with him so I couldnāt ask to many questions.
I had to be efficient in my words.
he asked a lot about how I was doing since out last visit which was early this year.
last 5 mins we talked about the protocol and how he def be willing to let me try it out. I donāt remember much else.
he did say something about after JQD mentioned test sus to him, Jacobs went to his endocrine bible and found some studies on it and it was all the proof he neededā¦thatās all I remember
sorry that last sentence I meant TEST PROP my bad
Alright guys, since I was once there myself, you need to āseeā it some where else to consider it as a valid idea. I can also tell you my own experience supports this as well. This is for the doubters.
Here read up on esters and estrogen conversion rates.
isteroids.com/steroid-esters/
Also, to echo what has been mentioned, if you take HIGH TEST, then you WILL HAVE HIGH ESTROGEN. Get it!! We are not talking about pinning 500-1g test a week!! Effin wake up, I feel like Iām talking to stupid gym noobs. We are talking about LOW DOSE simulation 10-20mg a day of short ester to TNE (test no ester). I have done this many times and carry less water. No, if I pin 50mg a TNE, yes I will have an influx of estrogen/water, though it will not last long. and 50mg IS A HIGH DOSE!!! If you pin 10mg, you will have NO WATER and feel pretty beasty 
I used to use TNE as a preworkout - it was awesome.
ihatepropecia, to use your word ābeastlyā. Is this true? that we can feel like that with such a small dose dude?
Go fuck yourself you insipid little troll, no one has any interest in reading your pedantic and pathetic posts, Dr Jacobs is already prescribing it as I type this, he immediately (unlike you) understood this works. Go troll somewhere else, you are a retard. I have NO interest in debating this with you or anything with you, your knowledge of hormones and medicine is insufficient to warrant any response from me, your posts are irrelevant.
Iām not sure because when I took it, it was on cycle. I have never cruised with 10mg TNE. I have cruised with 10-20mg prop many times, and no, that doesnāt make me beastly.
But, I have used TNE a few time when on a cruise and I pinned 15mg, and my workout was awesome! What happens is you get an immediate effect of T. You get motivated, tunnel vision, and can lift.
This morning I took 10mg TNE and didnāt feel beastly. I know if I pinned 20 I probably would.
Yes, here is something interesting to offer you, moron, he didn't know propionate existed before I told him about it, and you are an idiot if you even ask the question about there being "risks," it just shows how limited your knowledge and understanding of this is. Look guys, now he has nothing cynical to say when confronted with the reality that Dr Jacobs is in fact prescribing my protocol, and now Dr Jacobs is moving to Suspension.
I urge you guys to please not acknowledge or respond to this person, he is a miserable insipid troll who is addicted to adderall and has nothing to add but pedantic nonsense.Take that Frustrated, why donāt you print that and post in on your wall then go back under your bridge
Mew doesn't allow me to post sites to buy stuff, I will try to post later, but you can PM me for sites, have you considered contacting dr Jacobs and going through him? I update him on my latest research and he is acting on itwell I certainly hope that im not doing this protocol for no reason whatsoeverā¦I mean like I said, im recovered but with
Residual damage that im looking to repair/rebuild.
Maybe 10-20 mg of test prop isnāt enough idk, ive never done this before.
last blood test my all 3 T levels were very high or just over very high. And my DHT was mid rangeā¦yet my libido is meh, depending on the day.
maybe im not converting test to dht enough?
so well see what the most recent labs say.
I prob wont post until I get them, but im still gonna read.
What are your testosterone levels? āHighā is subjective, I consider high 1200, also, if your levels are high, try an AI before testosterone. Try arimidex and see what happens, it may be all you need, but wait for your levels, they may not be as good as you think. Whatās your bio available etc
I honestly donāt have the money to go see another doctor out of state. Iāve spent thousands already and am currently going through bankruptcy because of money spent and losing my job.
If there is a specific protocol I can do myself (Iām a low T guy anyway) Iād rather just do it that way. No other doctor will help me with this anyway.
off the top of my head total T was 1120
and the others, the numbers were in red and I remember thinking that they were either off the chart high or very very close JQD
JQD, youāre the man! Iāve read all of your posts and youāve given me hope in my darkest moments that this can also be reversed and eventually cured in me.
Iām looking for your advice in my situation: low total T (in lowest 5% of range), mid-range free T and lower mid-range E2. Iād like to ease into your protocol and was wondering if it makes sense to first carefully drive down my E2, with Chrysin or Arimidex? For the latter, what dosage would you recommend?
Do you have any recommendations for jump starting HPTA? I want to try to jump start my system before I eventually might have to sign up for HRT.
Thanks a lot!