Lukas, there are some people on here who are unhappy people and find it necessary to make everyone else unhappy. Recently I started adding people like that to my “foe” list, it blocks their posts so I don’t even see them. I suggest you all just add the negative people to your “foe list,” then when they post you won’t see their posts. It’s unhealthy to read posts from these people as it can really bring you down. So please do it, since I added frustrated to my “foe list” I have felt much better coming on here. I’ll be adding any negative people, prob finbasteride will be added as well. I have no interest in seeing their negativity.
Ok, I just added finbssteride to my block list, sorry finbssteride, I don’t need to be dragged into your hell. I think you aren’t a bad guy, but your negativity is bad for my recovery. I can see when he posts and choose to display it if I want or choose not to. The forum has become a much more peaceful place since I have blocked the negative people, I encourage you guys to do the same.
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I blocked mcibofh. Best thing I ever did. Just go to your profile and add the name to foes. Sad that it has to be done but he was ignoring mew’s warnings. If I knew about it earlier I would have done it long ago.
I just couldn’t stand Frustrated and Finbasteride was mostly abusive with some moments of sobriety, but I have nothing against him, I just feel he is a negative guy and I don’t want to be abused. Lots of guys come on here to read my posts, and I haven’t been coming. Yes I have to move on with my life, but sometimes I like to check in, when I do, I don’t want to read negative stuff, so I am going to add any negative and abusive person to my FOE list, I suggest you all do the same. You don’t need to read messages from people like Frustrated or Finbasteride, they don’t contribute in any way.
What is the point of negative messages telling you all you can’t get better and I am a liar, let me tell you guys, they are 100% wrong, that they will find out one day soon.
Justquit I’ve been reading up on the internet about the Test Suspension and all ready two different web sites is saying that it is is in fact the worst form of all tests causing a estrogen havoc effect afterwards and that will cause the greatest amount of aromatization…
anabolic-bible.org/Profile.a … suspension
steroidabuse.com/Profiles/te … nsion.html
but they also say…
and here it is…
About Test Suspension
So how can you say this is actually the best form? You gotta be carefull not to lose your gains, why dont you just stick with you protocol that all ready made you get this far?
Brazilian dude will now be banned for personal attacks, negativity and calling jqd a liar.
just an update:
Got my bloods at about 8:45am this morning for-
LH
FSH
ESTRADIOL
BIO TEST…as per dr Jacobs request.
The dude who took the blood said probably 2-3 days Jacobs would get them, which is great as I was expecting weeks lol
omg I hope this works for me, needles are going to suck but if it works its a small price to pay for getting my life back ya know.
Who woulda thought living in Brooklyn (and also I used to work in a gym) getting my hands on this stuff would be such a process.
JQD, do u think such a small of amount of test prop can really bring back sensitivity and libido???
finbasteride No I wont because I actually believe him and feel very surprised he hasn’t left the forum for good after all the backlash and unnecessary anger towards him. I am trying to warn him since he said there isnt time for testosterone to be transformed into estrogen when if fact various web sites are saying the exact opposite. I am just trying to figure things out… Now can I just ask a question finbasteride ? If you are in this shit hole just like everybody else, wouldn’t you feel happy if there was a slight chance for you to recover and go back to the old days? Like even the slighest chance man, as much as I try to understand humans and I know we have MANY differences and characters, I just cant get over how rude, nasty and bitter you and that mcboth come across, its just unreal. Have a little bit of hope, maybe that’s what makes things more exciting in life for some of us than others, yes I was miserabe at one point, wanted to kill myself and ended up in the hospital 3 times in a month with panic attacks but never was I sooo negative and felt like I needed to put people down in order to feel better. Especially those who said there were in fact getting better. I felt like I needed to folow their footsteps and improve also, thats just logical. And dont come here with that same old istory…" yeah man try to be positive with a shrunken dick and powerless libido" because guess what buddy, almost everyone here has it too, and they are not acting like jerks the way you are.
amen
It’s not just Libito and dick that got destroyed. Look at the newly announced research. They don’t have guys like that looking into an issue that can be fixed easily.
I know its just not libido and dick…didnt I just say I needed to hospitalized three times because of anxiety attacks? Im talking about the overall attitude. Anyways Justquit please dont forget to answer me here ok?
Hey guys, I can comment a bit on test sus.
I have noticed that before when I used it, it did not add any water weight. I used it though in low doses, around 10-15mg before a workout. I also skipped some days and used it on off for about a month. I was also on aromasin at the time, so there was some e control.
Now, I have friends that use test sus for a cycle, and they are pinning 50mg+ twice a day, and YES they blow up with huge amounts of water even with their AI. Though when one is pinning 700mg test a week, water is inevitable, so I’m not sure how valid those claims are. I have noticed the users are more inclined to claim that it produces more water because the effects are immediate as compared to a long ester such as cyp/enth. It would take 4-8 weeks on long ester test to notice the water while test sus is almost immediate.
Just my two cents, though when I low dosed test sus I didn’t have a gain in water, but I did notice more hair failing out and my beard grew hella fast lol. This is also true of test prop. I hold significantly less water on prop then on longer esters (cyp/ent/250)
No offense man, but you have no clue what you are talking about, your information is completely wrong, not trying to offend you but that it is irrelevant to me what websites have told you. Testosterone Suspension has no ester, the ester causes aromatization as it is extended release, Suspension quickly converts to DHT leaving nothing behind to Aromatize, it works better than propionate by 100X and this has been confirmed to me by several independent people.
Not only that, it is mathematics and logic that explains this, you just don’t understand which is ok, this stuff is complicated for even doctors.
UPDATE FROM DR JACOBS:
After I explained about the existence of a form of testosterone that works like endogenous testosterone, Dr Jacobs was fascinated, so he is on board, he is willing to prescribe it it seems, I am starting the process with him as well, however I get it first.
JQD,
Can you do me a big favor and repost your current protocol including the info below:
Name of Medication:
How Taken: (orally, injected, etc.)
Amount to take:
How many times a day to take:
Is it part of a cycle? If yes, how long?:
Website to buy it: (if you can’t list it hear please have a document ready to email people)
Expected cost: (Helps confirm we are buying the correct thing/amount)
Please also list anything else we need to purchase (Needles, etc.).
Where do we inject and do we alternate sites?
Also, what are your thoughts regarding this protocol and shutting down our own test production. Aren’t we at risk to mess up out HPTA?
I also see you are working with Dr. Jacobs. Should we wait to see how that goes before starting your protocol, or does it not matter?
Apologies if this has all been stated before, but my eyes can’t make it through 50+ pages.
Thanks!
Matt
Remember Ihatepropecia, we are not bodybuilders, anything used in excess will cause problems, I am talking low doses, Suspension works like endogenous testosterone. It quickly converts to DHT leaving nothing behind to aromatize, it has only a 3 hour half life. It is basically like our own testosterone, while it is less estrogenic, I am sure body builders use that principal to inject massive doses thinking it will be less estrogenic, but massive doses of suspension will of course cause aromatization at high levels.
In our case Suspension is perfect and may require little to no AI at low doses. It isn't about experience or posts from others, it is the mechanism of action which fascinates me and also Dr Jacobs, if you understand this condition and the mechanism of Suspension, you can see how it would be ideal. Suspension is high ANDROGENIC, if you inject massive doses it will cause massive amounts of Aromatization, that is what Braziliandude is finding as he doesn't understand.
For us in low doses it will not only allow us to get by with little to no AI, but it may even cure PFS due to the high rate of 5AR stimulation and DHT induction. This will be the holy grail of PFS and the end all, this and a little arimidex at low doses and we will get by. PFS cripples endogenous test, that is the problem, extended esters exhaust our system's limited 5AR, this will stress it to work and induce recovery, but give us a better quality of life. This is like taking DHT, remember that DHT kills estrogen, so at low doses (low enough for our 5AR system to manage it) we will build up DHT and kill off the Estrogen and may require no AI or very little.You are right , I dont understand the principals, I am probably the person that knows the least about hormones and I want to stay that way, lol. I was just lurking around some web sites to find out more about this testosterone suspension. and chill man, I dont feel offended at all. Just please get us out of this mess all right? I am rooting for you.
Yea, it will work in low doses for us, but body builders inject mega doses of everything, mega doses of it will cause a lot of estrogen, I am talking natural doses or even double natural doses. If we get estrogen symptoms, they will last for a few hours vs 24 hours with propionate. Also DHT has a 5 day half life, so the DHT it induces will remain behind for 5 days to fight off future estrogen.
Yes, but it will take time, the first month will be difficult, so be patient, after the first month you will get the hang of it sas your body adapts.
Honestly this is ridiculous. You asked a very good question and cited multiple sources. He couldn’t answer you so he insulted you and flat out denied your references without providing a reason. It should not make a difference how fast testosterone is released. While still connected to the ester it cannot be aromatized or reduced. With an ester it basically stays inactive in bloodstream until the ester is broken down over time.
I suggest you push back and ask him for these ‘logical’ and ‘mathematical’ reasons he believes it works this way.