You’re wearing everyone here out with your dim wit. He claims a particular HRT protocol that apparently no one else has ever tried. Can you show that anyone else has done this exact protocol? You have made your over-strained and now moot points abundantly clear. Now clear this thread and go troll somewhere else. As I said before, we’ll know in good time what the verdict is on this. JQD, I’m not sure you can claim a real recovery if you decide to take these drugs in perpetuity. That’s why I was wondering what would occur if you just stopped for awhile and actually observe what happens.For example, those who have recovered using more “natural” means stopped taking t-booster supplements after recovering and appear to have been fine months after cessation. That to me is solid enough evidence if we are to believe what they say.
I’ve come across countless anecdotes on both bodybuilding and TRT forums of men responding better to short ester testosterone.
This guy switched from cyponate to testosterone suspention and reported this:
Lost lots of water, no more ankle swelling.
BP is down.
Heart rate is down.
Less acne to almost none.
Less delayed or retarded ejaculation.
More penile sensitivity.
Cheap. (if you make your own)
Shorter Refractory period.
Sub-Q not IM.
I underlined two of them because they are MARQUEE PFS syptoms!
thinksteroids.com/community/thr … 134247001/
Here is a recent account of a bodybuilder that swears by test suspension for trt.
“I have tried testosoterone cypionate, enanthate, propionate, acetate and now suspension for TRT. Never anything over 250mg a week and at an average of 175mg a week. Most will say Test is test. For me nothing could be further from the truth. Not for me anyway. My reaction to each has been to say the least profound.”
canadianjuicemonsters.net/forums … nsion.html
and here is yet another guys account of switching to propionate.
“What I noticed was much better morning erections, which in turn resulted in much better and fuller erections at other times. Seriously, the thing was getting several dang good stretches during the night. So, sex was better, I felt good, and my performance at the gym has improved.”
steroidology.com/forum/testo … e-trt.html
Here is one more guy that switched to propionate.
thinksteroids.com/community/thr … 134314298/
I collected those accounts in 10 mins on google, but i have read many many more over the past few years. Like i told JQD a few posts back, this is a major blind spot in modern TRT therapy in my opinion.
Finbasteride and frustrated. No one wants to hear your bullshit. JQD was trying to work up a method to control excess testosterone! Even from people who have high testo. If you have not tried the EXACT type of testo and EXACT type of AI, in the EXACT amounts then shut the fuck up. You guys are so annoying it’s ridiculous.
Bizzbee, I thought about this question of yours tonight (while stoned, that is when my inspiration comes, got me this far! lol). This is how you will know when you are recovered, as your 5AR system comes back more and more you will reduce more test to DHT and have less estrogen symptoms, thus you will need less AI. So for example, I started out needing Letrozole 2.5mg about 4X a day! Now I need Letrozole 2.5mg about 1X a day, so eventually I will no longer need an AI, and I will respond stronger to testosterone, and be abel to switch to a long acting ester again.
That is when you will know you have recovered, but that is why you must learn to use AI’s as you need them, this is the key to getting better quicker. Look, whatever you have to say, this is the first protocol that allows someone with PFS to live a normal life with muscle and mood and sexual function and libido.
I stopped in to say hi because I thought of your question and wanted to post my answer.
Accept what fact? I am talking to MULTIPLE guys who are on my protocol, none have any interest in posting here at all, there are only 2 active posters who agreed to post when they are better. This protocol has been posted now and it has been a while, likely many guys have improved and we will never hear from them again. We haven’t have 1 bad report, only positive reports from people feeling better based on these principals using other drugs.
This is a very private thing, guys go on this and they want to recover privately I have found, they want to post when they are done, they aren’t like me. However, we have a couple posters here who say they are starting the protocol, and they are active posters, I think Lukas is one, so be patient, they will come forward.
You just aren't following me man, others are, I know it is complex stuff, even my dr friend can't follow it! It is not the testosterone level, it is the form of testosterone. We have a suppressed 5AR system right now, we cannot handle testosterone attached to a long acting ester (slow release chemical). We can in low doses, but it requires strong AI's to manage it. The direction I went for was to find a way to maximize DHT and minimize estrogen. Testosterone propionate quickly converts to DHT and has a short 24 hour half life, so it gives your body a chance to reduce it with low 5AR activity.
Dannyfc used long acting esters, and the guys on this site who used Masteron didn't even fucking do that right! Masteron only works with testosterone injections, not without, so they had benefits at first and then their own testosterone started shutting down and their dht shut down. With PFS Masteron allows us to inject any form of testosterone, we will have muscular, libido and penis reacting as a normal guy to testosterone. The Masteron does suppress our own DHT, so we will feel emotional effects which then you need an AI to manage. This should only be used as a last resort, but it was amazing as it bypasses the 5AR system completely.
It's nice to know I can inject masteron for 3 weeks and along with testosterone it will be as if I never had PFS. Now, recovering from PFS requires this special protocol. It has reversed my symptoms of PFS, as my system recovers my muscles get bigger, my libido stronger and my mood better and my skin more oily. This is recovery which was always stopped by estrogen. I would get better inducing DHT and then "Crash," didn't know what it was, I thought I was just not getting better. Now I understand that staying on testosterone and keeping estrogen down, your system starts to recover.
I cannot crash, so there is only 1 way I can go, that is up, I certainly am not going to start producing less DHT, this is how your body recovers from PFS. Why doctors haven't found this out is for the stunning fact that they are not well versed in these types of hormones, this is more body builder science. Anti Aging medicine has come out of body builder science, it is crazy but true. This is why doctors have not been able to help us, this condition requires hormones to correct, specific ones and protocols, doctors generally know very little about hormones.
Even Dr Goldstein and Jackobs are prescribing Cypionate, (well, now Dr Jacobs is using propionate thanks to me), but that's why no one found a treatment. My case made me very unique and able to find a treatment, I for one was on hormones before I had PFS. So I understood hormones, I was an executive of a medical company that intersected with that field of medicine. I studied the 5AR enzyme specifically looking for a way to lower it as I was having acne from testosterone that was hard to control.
So when this hit I had already been well versed in all this and it was doing what I expected, I understood what was happening, but I did not know it would go on this long. So I used my knowledge to reverse this condition, I am sorry, but I have read everyone's reports on here, they are all misusing hormones. No one even used masteron right, if someone had injected masteron while on testosterone and waited 3 weeks, the entire forum would be on it by now! That protocol though will suppress your own DHT and set me back to square 1. I don't think you will recover doing that, but I don't know for sure, I do know that the route I took, inducing my own DHT and controlling estrogen, it is causing me to recover all together at a very fast rate.Lukas, don’t believe that nonsense, there is no such thing as guys here who do not respond to TRT, they just need to do it a special way. It is utter nonsense, I have put myself into a non responsive state and taken myself out, several times. If I inject too much testosterone and my estrogen gets out of control where I cannot manage it, then I will become non responsive till I get my estrogen low again and induce DHT.
The non response to hormones is absurd, they are responding to estrogen just fine, it is a condition every single person here will eventually recover from when all the people start coming forward.I decided to come and check in, I believe it is best for me to stay off here and start enjoying life and dating and all, but I want to make sure you do my protocol right.
please read all my posts from when I started this protocol and read them over so you can understand.
Thankyou Finatruth, I really don’t get why they don’t just act polite.
This is an excellent post! My Test suspension is on the way, and I am excited to try it, but I am really doing well after a month, this condition is reversible and recoverable, it’s just so comforting to know what I know, you guys should take comfort in it. At this point I have a nice size body, getting a lot of attention again, my system is recovering, I am normal again. I think all the guys in all those forums have PFS and never connected the dots for some reasons, so they went on HRT and now have forums about not responding to testosterone.
MY TEST SUSPENSION IS ALMOST HERE! I just checked an my suspension will be arriving sooner than expected (maybe within a week)I will be immediately trying it and posting the amazing results, I am so excited! It may require no AI! Or lower doses, with amazing results as it has no ester, all converts to your own DHT and stimulates your 5AR, may induce faster recovery.
No.
I used Testosterone-Propionate daily for about 4 or 5 months. I had used Masteron ocassionally with it, as well as a number of AIs including both Aromasin and Letrozole. I have also used Proviron and Andractim. Peptides including Ipamorelin, IGF-LR3 and Melanotan. None of these at any point had any tangible effect on my libido.
So your idea of a real recovery is needing less AI and being able to tolerate longer esters of testosterone? Maybe I’m mistaken but it sounds to me like you don’t want to get off this stuff completely…ever. If that is the case you should probably sober up from your stoned daze and think about what that really means. I’m sure if you ask a lot of people afflicted with this they will tell you that that is not their idea of a real recovery, i.e. having to use this stuff the rest of their lives, even if it does happen to alleviate or even reverse symptoms. You may not be willing to try but perhaps you could convince one of your pupils to stop after they feel they have sufficiently recovered and see what happens.
@bizzbee333 - I think most people here would be ok with taking something daily that reversed their symptoms. What do you think a treatment will consist of? If your in such good shape overall why do you even visit this site?
I am in good shape, although I took a big step backwards when trying the DHT prohormones (Forerunner labs AlphaHard for those that are curious). The best treatment plan I was on was pretty much almost identical to Chi’s although every now and then I would pop a t-booster (once every week or two when feeling run down). I am slowly recovering from the setback caused by the prohormones and getting back up to where I was in September before I started the cycle (where I felt around 70% recovered). So am I still a ways off from being good enough to just leave this forum and not contribute anymore, if that’s alright with you…
Oh, all of a sudden you used testosterone propionate? Not written anywhere in any of your posts, but now you used it? Bullshit, this is why I am not coming back here most likely. You aren’t even interested in anything constructive, there is a treatment and instead of being receptive like everyone else, you make up lies. Show us the posts where you took letrozole with testosterone propionate daily.
You didn’t even know what it was until I mentioned it a while back, you are full of shit, I don’t see any reason to come back here with people like this on this forum, I am recovering, you can have it all to yourself Danny. When some kid blows his head off because he read your lie that prop didn’t work, I hope it makes you happy. Everyone, it just so happens even though Dannyfc had no idea what prop was very recently, he magically used it daily with Letrozole but never posted about it lol.
Seeya, I don’t have time for this bullshit, I posted enough, you guys can go to Dr Jacobs, he has everything you need.
JQD, he did in fact mention taking tprop and masteron with AIs, much earlier in this thread, it’s not BS. In fact, from what I’ve seen on this forum, I believe Dannyfc to be one of the users who’s tried virtually every possible option that’s been presented.
Why would I make up using test-prop? Here are two posts, one from October, one from July, where I’ve cited it’s usage:
viewtopic.php?f=27&t=9865&hilit=prop*#p90514
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9508&hilit=prop*#p86365
Here is one where I’ve spoke of use of Letrozole: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=8405&p=75395&hilit=let*#p75395
Besides which, a simple search of ‘Propionate’ returns posts dating back to 2007. This isn’t a rare compound, and would be standard for anyone considering TRT. The fact you consider this a novel discovery after over a decade of people trialing treatments for PFS is absurd.
I’m glad you are no longer using a professional’s name as validity for your theories. I’d imagine Dr. Jacobs would have been moritifed by your assertions earlier in the thread referencing his endorsement.
I’d also welcome your disappearence from the forum, but I know that won’t happen. You have a messiah complex.
My guess is that you’ll disappear for 48 hours, before returning with a new amendment to the ‘protocol’.
within a month or two we’ll all know whether this protocol works or not,surely it wont be long now before people who are trying it begin to post their results,imagine if it does turn out to be a cure,i wont be holding my breath though,ive seen quite a few cures on here over the years that have turned out to be a load of shite,fingers crossed for all those giving it a try…
@DannyFC JQD clearly took Fin and Dut… Do you think this is just a matter of residual responsiveness to testosterone then? If that’s the case shouldn’t more people be trying protocols like this to see if they will respond? When you tried you felt noting… Not worse, correct?
Dannyfc Dr Jacobs is supports my theories and is using my protocol, you never used propionate with letrozole correctly, it is in none of your posts, you are just a liar, pointless.
MORE POSTS of NON RESPONSE TO CYPIONATE AND RESPONSE TO PROPIONATE
anabolicsteroidforums.com/sh … -E-to-Prop
tnation.t-nation.com/free_online … _weeks_ago
allthingsmale.com/community/ … bad.19190/
THANKFULLY THESE GUYS DON’T LIVE IN THE UK OR THEY WOULD DECLARE THEMSELVES ANDROGEN INSENSITIVE AND PROMOTE SUICIDE LOL. Hey Dannyfc, just because you couldn’t figure it out don’t try and change history, it is in none of your posts. I am sorry you live in a backwards country with third world medical advances (no offense to other UK guys, but it is true). In the USA as I suspected for a long time, there are MANY MANY cases of PFS and most guys like me figure out how to resolve it by tinkering with the correct hormones. If you live in the UK though, forget it, your androgen insensitive and you declare that no hormones work. I am sorry, but it is just true, clearly all these guys on these forums have PFS but don’t know it. There is no such thing as guys not responding to Cypionate, these guys don’t know why they haven’t responded, but they figured out quickly that propionate worked.
Anyone who believes in this androgen insensitivity nonsense is a moron, and I just wanted to post this as moonman sent it to me. Better not to ever find out you have PFS and that this entire forum never existed and guys just ended up on testosterone replacement and when it didn’t work they would go to these testosterone forums and find out propionate works, end of story. Here all that is discussed is suicide and androgen insensitivity and people attacking one another, it is pointless and sad.
No other forum has this, every forum I have seen, guys support each other, not attack, and the reason everyone here is stuck in the dark ages is due to the fact that in the UK hormone replacement just doesn’t exist. So you are left with stooges like dannyfc who inject a bunch of stuff without any idea what he is doing and then declares everyone androgen insensitive.
Absurd, I am sorry if this is offensive to some, I don’t mean to be, but evidence is mounting that there are lots of guys with PFS who have found their way around it the same way I have. Had they ended up here they just may have not, this is psychological torment when you have people like Dannyfc and Frustrated constantly attacking you and telling you how you can’t get better. This entire forum should be frozen, shut down and left as it is not allowing any new posts without Mew’s approval, at this point it is just a harmful place when people are allowed to attack others and lie about things they took to make their point.
I’ll never forget the post from a 24 year old who came on here with low testosterone and didn’t believe testosterone would work and said he was going to kill himself based on all he said, he never returned again.
You go to cancer forums and low testosterone forums, and every forum everyone is supportive, on cancer forums the last thing they think about is their libido, their depression, they are fighting for their lives. People propose all sorts of stuff and there is no attacking and this horrible nastiness here. In time I will be vindicated as many are starting my protocol and Dr Jacobs has many he has on it now, it is just a matter of time before the posts come in and those who tried to discredit me are made fools of.