Hi friends, I had to post, my system has been steadily responding to this therapy, I no longer even feel like I have pfs. Today I forgot I even had it, if in 1 month I have made this much recovery, I can imagine that in 2 more months I may be able to switch to a long acting once a week injection. I am on 20mg of propionate a day, 2.5mg of Letrozole a day, sometimes twice, but sometimes I don’t even need it at all. Muscle size and mass increased a lot, I have not had to take more than 2.5mg of Letrozole for the past few days.
When I first ventured into this protocol, I didn’t expect it to be this effective, I have my life back again. Sebum production has been a good way for me to gage progress, it’s increased daily. Moon, libido, erections, everything is just going up. Don’t let people get you stuck in their black holes of darkness and misery. This works and my theories are correct, I have blood work being done soon (prob this next week and will post results). I then will be having a phone call with dr Jacobs to touch base and update him on my research and progress.
While my test suspension is on the way, at this rate, I’m not sure I will need it. This was really hard in the begining, took a month to get here I feel, it’s about finding the right doses of everything for yourself. There is no one set protocol for everyone, you have to find what dose of test and frequency that you need and of Letrozole or Arimidex as well. I plan to eventually try to taper off Letrozole and go to arimidex then taper off whenever my system fully recovers. At this point it has recovered enough where on this exact protocol, I am fully reversed.
As theorized, my 5ar system is recovering, whatever mechanism was suppressed by finasteride and avodart and accutane, is now recovering. Estrogen was preventing that recovery, don’t let people get you down, this condition is reversible, and I am proof.
Oh, and I must say that I believe DHEA is instrumental in my recovery, I have been on and off it since day one (while on testosterone). DHEA doesnt seem to do much without being on testosterone or having optimal levels of test. DHEA upregulates 5ar enzymes and it’s clear it has an affect on them, nothing has ever stimulated my 5ar enzymes like DHEA did (from day one).
I take 50mg of DHEA every day, it is important to keep it low and not too high as DHEA is estrogenic, however, the 5ar stimulation is worth it. At this point it is just a matter of time before my system completey recovers and I no longer need this special protocol, in the meantime, I wouldn’t know I had pfs. Remember that dht has a 5 day half life, it takes time to build up your supply of it, I didn’t start out like this on day 1, it took a month to get here. The ability to control my body with pfs like this is what I wanted, I can now know for sure that tomorrow I’ll be as I am now and today, that in an hour my mood will be the same. I know how to counter estrogen surges and spikes, now it’s just time and healing.
My post is all jumbled as I wrote it so quick, not sure if I mentioned that I have been needing less and less Letrozole. I haven’t taken it in 2 days I think, but I’ll need it tomorrow probably, but who knows. Don’t get stuck on a take everything at a certain time of day thing, you have to go by how you feel. Yes I take test around the same time every day, that’s important (as I don’t want to overdo or underdo it), but Letrozole, I take as needed. If I don’t feel estrogen surging, I won’t take it, if I did, it would mess up the balance.
When you feel good enough why don’t you just try not taking anything at all, to prove that this is in fact a real recovery and not something you have to keep in check with drugs the rest of your life. That would be the ultimate test of validity.
There will always be another piece to the puzzle. That’s the point, it’s a perpetual fabrication to satiate his own ego. If he was cured by anyone of the six hundred treatments prior, then that would be that. But no, there’s always another discovery, or a redaction on a previous cure.
First it was HCG, then Asparagus, then Masteron, then not Masteron, then Aromasin, but actually not Aromasin as it will set you back, so Arimidex instead.
Just leaps from one theory to the next, throws in some psuedo-science then announce the ultimate ‘protocol’.
You missed tribulus, maca, weed…
I get that most on here are suspectible to wanting to believe.
I used to spend hours every day reading published journals. I would clutch on to any potential explanation. Convincing myself each time that this would be the one. It gave me a reason to live, as I believed that once I get this one drug/prescription/hormone/supplement my condition would begom to improve.
If your hormones are within normal range, then conventional HRT will do absolutely nothing besides exhausting your money and effort. If your testosterone is low then take some, but do so in the knowledge that it has had zero effect on 99% of PFS members. And that goes for every combination of compound, SERM, AI and or topical.
Danny, you are a moron, all my protocols followed the same theme, you just lack the knowledge and understanding. This is why a famous neuroendocrinologist studying and treating PFS is using my protocol. From day one I was inducing DHT every which way possible, my theories evolved through practice, after I made the discoveries that it was estrogen and I started recovering I shared my data with Dr Jacobs who immediately agreed and started prescribing the protocol.
Eden tries different protocols with no direction, I have always been going in the same direction but finding more efficient methods of achieving the same goal. Forgive me for not finding out the best working protocol on the first try, idiot. That’s why I am getting dozens of messages from people improving, and already have watched 2 guys reverse this condition with the same methods.
This has nothing to do with Ego, likely Dr Jacobs will take all the credit and no one will ever know I had anything to do with this, you are a total douche bag. I could have gotten better and taken off never to be heard from again, but I made sure Dr Jacobs had my research and is prescribing it. I am about to post a link to some evidence that proves my point without a doubt that moonman shared with me.
As for my ego, this isn’t my name, no one will ever know who I am, Dr Jacobs will make all the money and get all the credit, so how is this my ego? More likely your self doubt that is the problem. Your ego, because YOU couldn’t figure out how to get hormones to work, you can’t accept someone else could.
Bizzbee, I am not stopping my protocol to prove anything, I have my life back lol, as I respond more and more to test in the future I will switch to long acting enanthate, but not anytime soon.
SIGNIFICANT UPDATE AND EVIDENCE!!!
PLEASE READ THIS LINK
Moonman found a link to a forum where guys were discussing non response to testosterone cypionate, and they responded to testosterone propionate. I believe these guys unknowingly have PFS and just never connected the dots as all guys respond to testosterone cypionate except guys with PFS.
thinksteroids.com/community/thr … 134314298/
PLEASE READ ABOVE LINK
After reading Dannyfc’s post attacking me and trying to discredit me I have decided that I just may never return to this forum. I have spent so much time and effort to help people here only to come on and read personal attacks for no apparent reason other than people’s lack of understanding what I am saying. I am recovering, I see no reason to be dragged into hell with some of the guys here who ruin it for everyone. I am continuing to work with a few guys from the forum who are responding to my theories and said they will post here when they are ready. Even every once in a while when I come to post stuff like this I just feel like shit after reading a few posts so if you don’t see me again, you know why. The good news for the guys who want to get better is Dr Jacobs has all the data, you guys have my thread, it’s enough to recover. Read this link if you don’t believe I am right.
Did you try his protocol to say something like that Danny? I mean if someone like Dr jacobs is trying the exact same protocol, then we have to admit Justquit isnt a madman with incoherent theories. Lets wait and see, theres also two other people who we need to hear from. If he is saying that he was able to reverse this condition I believe it. But now its time to wait for the other ones to step out of the shadow and let us know how they are doing.
For anybody who is still able to think about this rationally, JustQuitDut has sent me private messages saying very negative things about Dr. Jacobs. It remains unproven whether Dr. Jacobs has even been receptive to JQD’s ideas. I think one or two guys have said Dr. Jacobs is willing to try out testosterone propionate. JQD has “evolved” his protocol several times since speaking to Dr. Jacobs so Dr. Jacobs is not up to date on JQD’s latest protocols.
I don’t know what JQD’s deal and his behavior raises plenty of red flags but it is definitely premature to be excited about his ideas before a single person publicly reports sustained improvements.
Jqd it is senseless claiming everyone who does not respond to AIs and test is a “moron/douche”
Danny has tried more pharmaceuticals on himself than even you. He has reported on his self experience with more objectivity than you. Without claiming universal cures and demigod status, so show some fucking humility even though you struggle with the concept. Many have tried very similar theraputic approaches to you and seen no benefits although you deny their existence which is insane given they have directly communicated this to you. Please accept the FACT that many men don t respond to HRT. Don t be offeneded and claim you are being attacked. Its just a common feature of pfs. Non response to androgen manipulation… Jacobs will confirm this as frustrated.and others on this forum will confirm. So keep your fucking knickers on. Its not an attack it just PFS!!
Anyone who questions you is “attacking you” if you keep saying this you just sound like a lune. This condition has been around for over a decade and the best endocrinologists who possess far superior knowldge to you have been unable to crack the problem. That’s just fact mate. Dont take it personally.
I will be trialling letrazole soon. I hope it may help although AIs you recommended in the past have not helped much. I am willing to try though.
You need to drop the arrogant " I know how to reverse pfs" shit. It infuriates many old members and as of yet we have no members who have applied your protocol who are 100% better.
Even you admitted just two days ago that you forgot you had pfs for the first time in 6 months despite saying you ve had this reversed for 6 months. Wtf? I ve had many “good days” in the last 6 months without trying drugs. I know you are trying to help but your ego gets in the way of reason a lot of the time.
There are many people here who depend on my posts, so I won’t let them suffer for the others here who make it bad. I’ll post only significant updates from now on, but I won’t be reading and responding to posts I don’t thing. Finbasteride, Dannyfc has not tried testosterone propionate while taking Letrozole to lower estrogen, nothing he has tried has worked for me either as I have read everything he tried and none of it worked for me when I went down those paths. I posted a link from guys who didn’t respond to cyp but responded to propionate, read the link.
I find Danny to be a douche bag because there is no excuse to personally attack me because he doesn’t understand my theories, dr Jacobs does. Nevertheless, I won’t let the forum suffer for the few bad apples. I appreciate Danny’s frustration due to nothing working, but rather than attack me he could at least try it. If I injected cyp right now I would become non responsive, that I know from past experiences, too estrogenic and our system can’t handle esters like that.
Anyway, I want you all to get better, I’ll be back when I have important updates,
Again, read this link
thinksteroids.com/community/thr … 134314298/
Just so you know, I’m in contact with and helping multiple people from this forum and the most skeptical of them all as well. Finbssteride, I want you to recover too, I know how hard it’s been for you and how confusing this can be. Let me also state that I have been the only person to reverse pfs with hormones, I have had it reversed for months. Now what’s happening is my 5ar is recovering more and im requiring less AI and my responses to testosterone are increasing as every week goes by.
I know this is hard to believe, but endocrinologists and the entire medical community is extremely behind and limited when it comes to hormones like this. They just don’t know about these things, the whole anti aging medicine field came out of body builder science, it’s new to doctors. That’s why they haven’t been able to solve this, it’s a problem that can only be solved with hormones they never heard of.
Why I was able to solve this where other doctors failed, I don’t know, but you don’t know me and I will say people who know me closely are not surprised as this is not unusual for me. Dr Jacobs never heard of propionate till I told him about it, it’s just the way it is, but hopefully things will change now. Finbasteride, you don’t know my entire background as I haven’t made it public, but I have a lot of experience in these matters.
Anyway, I’ll post any updates, so far people are improving based on my theories, dr Jacobs doesn’t just prescribe things people from this forum suggest him to without merit.
Right. So what about dudes who raise their serum test to 700 + using Clomid (so no esterification) and an ai and don t see any benefit? Dannyfc tried this.
Is it not possible for you to consider that not EVERYONE will respond to your highly fluid protocols?
You think you have the universal cure to pfs?? No exemptions?
Come on man. You ve heard enough from non responders at this stage…
JustQuitDut I agree with your theories and above link supports them. As a matter of fact, I’ve read all of your posts. At this point I have not applied your protocol because I’m pretty new to this and I don’t know if I only have lowT or lowT + 5ar damage. All I wanted to say is thank you for your incredible contribution to this forum. You give me hope that this condition can be reversed, and eventually cured in the process. I hope you stick around to share your progress and any updates to the protocol. Don’t let the naysayers deter you.
I don’t get it fellas…if you don’t agree with JQD is it really worth the effort to login and make disparaging remarks about his efforts. Is it really worth the effort? Just read and move on…is it the curiosity that keeps you lurking? It’s his thread let him write what he wants. Just the amount of time he has dedicated to answering questions is impressive, every one of my emails has been answered by him…thats a better response time than any doctor I’ve ever had. Furthermore he has not accepted a single dime from anyone on here, instead he asks that we contribute to the foundation. You guys are a trip. Its like you a have something personal against him. IF YOU DON"T AGREE THEN READ AND MOVE ON OR START YOUR OWN THREAD…really simple. He gives guys like me hope, can you just leave it at that please.
You stupid cunt. This is a DISCUSSION forum. Men who have tried t + ai hrt therapy are free to discuss results, positive or negative. Cunts wishing to silent objecive opinions like yourself can FUCK OFF.
I WELCOME ALL OBJECTIVE OPINIONS.
I have read all of Dannyfc’s posts, he doesn’t know what he is doing, he didn’t use enough AI and he used the wrong form of testosterone. He just doesn’t know what he is doing, anyone can inject hormones for years and get frustrated not knowing how to fix this. I fixed it, had I done exactly as Dannyfc did, I would be where he is at, his protocols cannot work with pfs. It’s not as simple as just an AI, it has to be dosed right and the right type and the correct form of test. Cypionate is a killer for pfs, very difficult to make work. Sorry but he isn’t non responsive, that’s just an egotistical declaration by guys who failed at making hormones work.
Thanks perfect gent, it’s ok, actually Dr Jacobs wrote me tonight and would like me to email him my latest theories, he is interested in reading them as I have not updated him with all my theories and research in the past month. So I’ll just discuss it with someone who can understand me respectfully, thanks again perfect gent
Its been a few months now and we still have no “fully reversed” men to post jqd. Except you. Accept the fact
again this should be for people who have tried testosterone propionate with AI
please for people like myself who have never been on TRT…some people unfortunately do not respond to TRT I am hoping to be one of the lucky ones who respond, so if TRT hasnt worked for you please dont create negative energies for the percentage of people this can work for!..just say it hasnt worked for me but might work for you!
Look this is reversing JQT so obviously its doing something to his system…again we shouldnt worry about blood tests…I dont know why I even have to get blood tests for Dr Jacobs before going on this protocol!
and no need to call anyone cunts on here…for fucks sake we have not killed ourselves (yet) from this so we are not cunts we are fucking soldiers!..as I write this im getting muscle spasms in my fucking head…this has got to be my last hope of treatment