JQD is it now up to Letro 3x a day?
I gotta say that’s a bit worrying, a few days ago you said you didn’t even need it somedays. Is it losing efficacy? Hate to keep bringing this up but it’s happened for you with 2 other AIs.
I have been on 2.5mg 1-3x a day from day one and I have only needed less as time goes by, I started out needing more, some days I don’t even need it once. There isn’t a tolerance to AI’s, there is estrogen rebound. If you induce enough dht it kills the estrogen which is why I’m needing less, my system is recovering. Dht has a 5 day half life and estrogen only 13 hours, as my 5ar recovers I produce more dht and need less Letro. I don’t see a trend of needing more, today I have only taken 1 dose so far, I just say I am on 1-3x a day as it varies, it’s been getting less. Also, I take it when you guys don’t need it, due to my vanity and water retention.
Are you fat or Stressed?
Before taking anything and distress more your body. Reduce any fat and reduce the stress to the maximun.
Eat accordingly to produce more testosterone and live a life that will bring you more testosterone.
You by your own can move to the 15nmol/L of testosterone without taking anything…
Belikewater
The crash wasn’t from food intox, it was your system becoming estrogen dominant. The same occurred with me several times as I recovered, then I learned that it can be controlled by anti estrogens, so now I can stop and reverse these “crashes.” You should try my protocol and get your neuro estrogen down and induce your neuro dht and 5ar.
JQD, I have noticed on numerous occasions you’ve mention HGH precursors. Could you elaborate on that please? Whats the names of them, are they OTC or easily attainable?
p.s got in contact with Dr Jacobs nurse and she directed me to e mail him a request for a blood test and start from there.
Wish I could just get my hands on the stuff for the protocol but I guess I have to do what I have to do.
hey JQD is the 10-20 mg of test prop u recommend enough to induce things like ance or harder muscles and other side oeffectd from a dht/5ar enzyme boost?? How about libido? this I would really like to know, please. thank u sir
You will see in the attachment where I got my “lie”. You say letrozole is the only option because arimidex causes rebound estrogen, though you keep changing your statements. I asked you why you think arimidex causes rebound estrogen because I honestly don’t know since I am not a scientist and your response was I don’t think it causes rebound estrogen, I know it does.
I think you continue to embody this same mentality except your a projecting it onto others. You are not clueless, but your arrogance is leading you and others to danger. If you knowingly took finasteride with a high degree of confidence, how can people trust your confidence now?
Let me try to use my feeble mind to educate you on the basics of biological feedback mechanisms. Artificially supplementing T will lead to a down regulation of endogenous production through a variety of different negative feedback loops. The artificial T will get aromatized to estrogen which will bind to the estrogen receptors in the hypothalamus which in turn stop producing LH to regulate the endocrine system. This negative feedback loop can be a healthy and beneficial response. It is not like what you describe, because an excess of 5-AR is not causing the body to produce less - finasteride artificially depresses the amount of 5AR in the body of somebody who is actively taking it.
You haven’t offered an explanation for what you think causes PFS and surprisingly were unfamiliar with the idea of negative feedback loops. Some of the doctors are investigating explanations for what is going on, but this remains a work in progress.
If anything, there would have been some kind of positive feedback reaction that was never reversed. Maybe a decrease in 5-alpha-reductase for some reason led to a continued decrease of natural production so that it (almost) completely shut it down. I don’t know how or why this would happen exactly or why this would happen in a subset of men. You hypothesize that augmenting DHT will somehow restore function or production of 5-AR but don’t have an explanation for why or how this would happen exactly. You constantly criticize doctors and praise yourself for being a genius who knows more than anybody, but a lot of your ideas have gaping holes and I think it is fair to ask you to fill them in if you even can.
Hi there, the HGH precursors are prescribed in the US by anti aging doctors for a fortune, you can buy them from research peptide companies online (where body builders get them cheap). I am on Sermorelin, GHRP2, GHRP6, research them, it induces your own HGH which reverses a lot of the aging process, and helps in a lot of areas PFS affects. I do not believe this protocol is necessary for recovery, I think it helps, I have not mentioned it as I do not want to intimidate guys who know very little about this stuff.
There was a time when I was new to all this, and I remember it being very complicated, even when I first came to this forum there was a lot I did not yet know, I just learn faster than most people (when I want to or have to). I believe I explain in detail my HGH precursor protocol on my other thread on page 11 (the one titles JustquitDut’s story). Do not read too much there, I was remodulating protocols daily and weekly till I got responses, so that thread will be very confusing.
To answer your question, this is very easy to mix and inject, it goes into your fat, it restores collagen, enhances the immune system, causes new muscle cell growth, heals injuries quicker, enhances the immune system, has been shown to grow more hair. The benefits go on and on, so I have been on it before I had PFS, it turns out HGH stimulates 5AR enzymes, so I used to use it during an estrogen dominance attack. This was my first discovery as to how to stop and reverse these attacks (aka PFS crashes), I knew HGH stimulated 5AR enzymes, so I had assumed it was simply reducing test to DHT and making me feel better.
I had no idea the DHT was killing the Estrogen, so in essence I was indirectly using HGH as an anti estrogen, that is why the forum is filled with reports of guys having improvements with HGH but not consistently. That is because it would be consistent if used with testosterone, that is the problem guys have made on this forum for years. They would test out Masteron or Proviron, but they would not be on testosterone injections, so they would suppress their own testosterone (which in most cases was already suppressed) and have short recoveries that faded.
I am trying to keep this simple as my view is if we can get as many guys as possible on this and feeling better, people will start finding better approaches. I already have testosterone suspension as my next protocol (as soon as it arrives), it will be the ultimate testosterone for PFS as I have mentioned many times. Some here may choose to go and experiment with injectable DHT forms as replacement, I have outlined how to make it work, as I have stated many times, I am taking the hard road so that I can recover my system. I know exactly how to bring myself to 150% with injecting masteron as an AI along with testosterone (it will make a long acting ester like enanthate work). Your estrogen will go crazy but it will not affect your libido or penis or muscles, they will remain optimal, and you control estrogen with AI’s.
That is my nuclear option, and Masteron is probably not the best choice as it displaces estrogen but doesn’t kill it, real DHT would be, I am looking for the best form just as a backup plan. I like to have multiple plans, but so far so good, using this therapy that I am on, I should recover fully, right now I have PFS reversed, but recovery is different. As I get better my 5AR becomes more active and produces more DHT. I did recover this way 3 times and kept crashing, I did not know what these mysterious crashes were at the time, now I know they were estrogen dominance attacks. So my goal is to get back to where I got in about 3 months or so of constant stimulation of my 5AR and DHT.
I will state again that I reset myself back to 0 using DHT steroids, so it is a protocol that I would only go on to stay on long term as it was amazing, but coming back has been difficult. This is how I learned so much about PFS, through all this experimentation, how I reacted to certain things, I was completely non responsive to testosterone when I went on Masteron, as my estrogen was so high, I just didn’t know till now.
The protocol I devised was initially not devised as a cure, I devised it as a means to get me to respond to testosterone, and I had hoped my system would recover as well, so far all data seems to suggest my theories are correct. There are a multitude of recoveries all over this forum and most are consistent with constant 5ar stimulation.
If anyone out there can get ahold of testosterone suspension any faster than I, please do and let us know how it goes, it will work 100X better than propionate. For now propionate is at least manageable, no other ester is consistently manageable
NOW, back to you
Go on the Testosterone propionate, 10mg a day, ask for Letrozole 2.5mg a day, I have not discussed letrozole with Dr Jacobs, but I urge you to get it from him, if he won't write it, PM me and I will give you a good site to get it quickly inside the USA in liquid form. I suggest you just go on this protocol and stay on it long term, eventually your system will come around, when I get testosterone suspension and get it working and figure out doses, I will contact Dr Jacobs and reach out to him about it.
I don't want to confuse him with constantly changing protocols, so when he sees success with this one over time, then he will be receptive to Suspension. He is just a busy guy, so I have to pay $500 to speak with him, and since I have nothing to ask him, I have no reason to pay him right now. In 3 weeks my 5AR system has come around quite a bit and I am producing more DHT and responding to testosterone more etc.. I overdo things, I suggest you keep it at 10mg a day and just leave it like that and give it time, in time your system will recover.
Everyone here can recover, there is no such thing as androgen insensitivity , guys who have concluded that did so arrogantly. Just because THEY COULD NOT get testosterone to work, doesn't mean that it cannot be done. This protocol is being prescribed by Dr Jacobs, he can study your levels, the more people who do this with him, the more data will grow and he will understand my theories. I have not spoken to Dr Jacobs about all my theories I have come up with over the last few weeks, so he has no idea all this stuff you guys know of. The good news is, the protocol he is using works, the AI is just a bit tricky, try the Arimidex, but you may want to get Letrozole on hand, I tend to believe all guys with PFS will need letrozole.
However, guys get a good feel for what estrogen is using arimidex.This is all about you Frustrated, everyone else gets it here, you just don’t understand what I am saying, I will not engage you in anymore discourse as you continue to misquote me and insult me, I see no point. I will answer your questions when you tell me where I said that I did not understand the negative feedback loop of testosterone suppression.
I will also answer your other question when you tell me where I said that augmenting DHT will restore function of 5AR, I am no longer engaging you when you misquote me. You have done this time and again, your understanding of hormones is so basic that it is work to communicate with you. You couldn’t understand why HCG and Arimidex would be any different than Testosterone Propionate and Letrozole (or Arimidex). Yet everyone here understand HCG is extremely estrogenic.
Answer my 2 questions and then I will answer your 2 questions.
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Where did I say I was not familiar with the negative feedback loop of testosterone suppression?
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Where did I say that DHT will restore 5AR function?
When I talk to Dr Jacobs, I do not have to TEACH him things, he understands concepts (unlike you), which is why he is prescribing my protocol, you have no real purpose here but to attack people. First you defended Dr Jacobs in order to criticize me, then when I reversed the argument and used Dr Jacobs to my benefit you started criticizing him.
When people improve this using my theories, you criticized me for posting their messages, when I post messages of people who send me thank you notes, you then say that I played no hand in them. I really don’t think you have any intention but to be a little obnoxious troll. So if Dr Jacobs a renowned Neuro Endrocrinologist is prescribing my protocols, why should I waste my time on an obnoxious and insulting little troll such as yourself? I am no longer engaging you when you misquote me or put words in my mouth, and your response to this will be that I am not answering your questions. I said I would be happy to when you prove your two insulting points based on faulty premises (as usual).
I am going to out you right here for the little troll you are when you can’t backup your claims.
Oh yes I am so clueless that a renowned neuro endocrinologist is prescribing my protocol, the first time Dr Jacobs has ever prescribed a protocol from anyone from this forum ever. If you were a nice person I would answer your question about estrogen rebound with Arimidex, but you are a troll and rude and insulting, reading your messages irritates me, and that is difficult to do to me. So if you want to know why Arimidex causes rebound estrogen, google it, if anyone else asks me, I will answer the question, but I am NOT wasting my time on an insulting troll as yourself.
If you change your behavior and demeanor towards me, I will do the same back to you, but I will not be victimized by your trolling and deceptive attacks. So if anyone else wants this question answered or any of Frustrated’s questions answered feel free to ask me, I will not answer his directly in protest to his behavior towards me.
You said I “advised against using arimidex,” I did no such thing, I have told everyone to start with it and switch to letrozole if needed.
Dude…why? Start another thread bro! We thank you for your concern, but we’re all men. We got it from here. Most of us were already going through puberty when you were just a twinkle in your mom’s eye. We’re willing to try anything, without our libidos most us would rather be dead anyway. Cut my boy JQD slack…stick around if you’re going to contribute or read quietly. if you have your own theories than move to another thread, if you have results we’ll be sure to find out.
PerfectGent, he has no interest in doing anything but finding ways to insult anything I do or say, I understand people here can be miserable from PFS, but I don’t see anyone here misquoting people, insulting people, constantly trying to find ways to ask questions based on faulty premises.
It’s funny, a lawyer tried to do to me what Frustrated is doing, in an attempt to impeach me during a deposition, but I would not allow that to happen, just like I am not allowing Frustrated to do it to me. This is a classic tactic used by attorneys to impeach witnesses or discredit them, they will insert arguments that the witness never made, so that when they answer they must defend arguments that had nothing to do with.
At first I answered all his questions, I even reached out to him to try to help him, but he has always responded with the same nasty tone, and you all can read it, so in protest I will not respond to him unless he backs up his claims from now on. I have a life and there are stupid questions he asks that he could very easily find answers to on google.
Anyone can google “Arimidex estrogen rebound,” he probably knows that, he has no real intention here but to ask me questions and then get answers he can misquote to ask more questions in insulting ways. I actually have A LOT of experience with attorneys in practice using these behaviors, so I am calling him out.
Thank you for standing up for me PerfectGent, you really are one, I agree that if he is going to continue to insult and attack me, he should find another thread. All he does is repeat the SAME stupid warnings over and over, telling everyone to be careful and not to listen to me, yet he never really could explain why Dr Jacobs was prescribing my protocol. On one hand he said it was nothing new, and then in an email to me he told me that testosterone propionate was a dangerous steroid, he is just an asshole. This is the internet, there are just crazy people on here, he is one of them. I have a life to live and am trying to help people, I have no problem answering genuine questions, but I have put Frustrated on block. I can see his posts when I choose to open them, but if I choose not to, I will not see them.
Frustrated just wants to warn everyone how they should be careful and not do anything, he wants to be everyone’s Nanny, oh and let’s not forget he attacked my spelling recently! Even though I am doing this usually on my iPhone which spell checks everything. He is just a douche bag, and I have no desire to provide him with any assistance at this point unless he apologizes and changes his tune he will be on block and I will only read his posts if I happen to see his name and open them (if I feel like it).
Everything I’m reading about Estrogen rebound is after cessation of Arimidex, not while using it. Actually, everything I’m reading is saying Letrozole has far worse estrogen rebound affects?
Can you explain what you’re saying?
edit: Wow I just read more, I’m seeing that Aromasin is actually the only AI with no E rebound because it is a “suicidal” inhibitor, rendering the enzymes forever inactive. Now I’m really confused.
The age on my profile is not accurate. I was 24 when I registered and have been living with this condition for years, but that really doesn’t make much of a difference.
I apologize if you don’t feel I am contributing. I am pointing out areas of weakness/inconsistencies in what he says because he uses such a undeserving certain tone it could easily mislead the most desperate guys on here. If he is able to explain these inconsistencies or holes that is great.
To start - estrogen rebound from Arimidex occurs when you stop taking the medication and Letrozole faces the same issue. If you are continuously taking it, then it doesn’t seem like you should have any problem. This is corroborated on many other pages and forums as well.
steroidal.com/anti-estrogens … e-effects/
I didn’t even point out a spelling error as you say I did. I would just think somebody who was educated at Harvard would be able to communicate more clearly and concisely.
I’d like to call this concept the JustQuitDut paradox.
- You never said you are not familiar with negative feedback, but you clearly demonstrated it. I also never said anything that is inconsistent with this. But the two mechanisms you tried to compare above are not analogous.
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This was in a PM that you sent me. Your communication tends to be a bit scattered but here you are saying DHT regulates estrogen which allows 5AR to recover.
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I didn’t trash Dr. Jacobs. I said he was more qualified than you to be helping PFS patients. I have not seen anybody here say they are using your protocol through him but even if this is true, he is largely an experimenter and I said it is important to see actual results. I’m not going to share the PMs you sent me out of courtesy, but in them you very aggressively trashed him and said things I will not repeat. You are the one speaking out of both sides of your mouth while you are calling him an A+ doctor and talking up his renown.
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I posted the message where you convey Arimidex will not work. There isn’t really any way to dispute that… sorry.
So you cannot backup your first point, and you cannot backup your second point, you have been outed as a troll
This is what you said
“You hypothesize that augmenting DHT will somehow restore function or production of 5-AR”
How is stimulating your own DHT the same as augmenting DHT? Augmenting means using exogenous DHT, I specifically said “stimulating your own DHT.”
I have just outed you for the troll you are, I will not communicate with you anymore, either you are stupid or just putting words in my mouth as you have nothing better to do with your time. You stated I did not know what the negative feedback loop was, and that I clearly do not know what it is. Yet, you have even taken my theories to your own doctor who said they have merit, but somehow I do not know this very basic hormonal action? Why should I waste my time communicating with someone who misquotes me and insults me? I find it pointless, you are on block, and I will never respond to another message you post again. You are an irritating cynical and miserable troll, all you do is come on here and try to poke holes in my arguments with extremely basic questions. I am spending time helping other people, I have a life and a business to run, you no longer will have the benefit of my responses, if anyone here wants those questions answered feel free to ask, I will no longer respond to this person, he is on block and that is it. My credibility has been established by the fact that Dr Jacobs is prescribing my protocols, Frustrated has tried endlessly to discredit me or make me look bad, since he cannot do so and has failed, he resorted to attacking my spelling, and now he is claiming I said things I never said.
So this is for the record, anyone who wishes me to answer Frustrated’s questions may ask me, but he is just a very miserable person, and if I continue to read his messages I will just stop coming here. It is really difficult to irritate me, but he does, if he had anything significant to add or interesting, I would respond, but he is just trying to discredit me. The more I answer him, the more he will put words in my mouth I did not say. People like this have nothing better to do than to argue and pick apart everything you say, I am SURE he is on adderall, absolutely sure, he reads just like a friend of mine who abuses adderall. They get fixated on very insignificant details and can drive you crazy explaining and explaining to no end.
So that’s it for Frustrated, anyone else want those questions answered, feel free to ask.
Do not allow him to claim that I cannot answer his questions either, I said I would answer them if anyone else asked them, and I also said I would answer them directly to him if he could back up his 2 allegations, which he could not do.
Augmenting DHT does not necessarily mean to use exogenous DHT. To augment something is to increase it.
dictionary.reference.com/browse/augment
If you can’t answer the questions then don’t, but please exercise a little humility and don’t try to deflect because you are unfamiliar with the meaning of the word ‘augment’.
LOL, I am not on adderall, nor am I a lawyer.
I posted your message (that you asked me to post) about how you think letrozale is the only AI that will work. I will not post your private messages about Dr. Jacobs as it would be unfair to you without your permission, but it should be known you have spoken extremely lowly of him.
You should not be upset that I try to poke holes in your hypothesis because that is how the scientific process works. You will end up with something that is even stronger or you will move on to better ideas. I find your personality unpalatable but I still choose to engage you because maybe there is value to your ideas that have yet to be proven. If you are confident in your ideas and ability to problem solve, you wouldn’t let your ego get in the way.
Entropy has asked similar questions about Arimidex so hopefully you will answer him.
ATTENTION READERS: I have blocked Frustrated so that I no longer see his posts, I am more than happy to help anyone here, I have debated with people in the past who have now joined me, Recent Quitter is an example, we had some very heated debates, but now he is following me. Recent Quitter was never insulting, and he asked questions to find out answers, and even when he was angry, he never got this level of intolerable cynicism.
At first I thought Frustrated was a real poster, but after answering many of his questions I found that he was taking me in circles, fixating on insignificant points, he really reminds me of a friend of mine who abuses Adderall, he does the SAME THING. I used to get sucked into email chains with him where he would fixate on one sentence for 40 emails. Frustrated makes a lot of assumptions about what I know or do not know and puts words in my mouth I never said (which I just proved to the entire forum, you guys can read and decide for yourselves).
Frustrated started out by denying that Dr Jacobs was prescribing my protocol, and even now as you see he questions if Dr Jacobs is prescribing my protocol. Everyone here knows that I would never post that Dr Jacobs was prescribing my protocol, and send people to him, I would be discredited immediately. He writes his questions in overcomplicated ways to make himself appear intelligent, but they are all very basic questions that I have answered at length before.
Some of the things he asks for me to prove, others are already experienced, when people post that they are improving due to my help he denies the posts were made or does not acknowledge them, he is just a troll. I cannot stay on this forum forever, I am here to help as many people as I can till my 5AR system completely recovers or I decide to go on long term DHT (which I doubt as my 5AR has already recovered a lot), whichever happens in the next few months. While I have PFS reversed and have all function and everything, I am not as BIG as I was muscle wise before PFS, and I did get as big as I was the few times I recovered, and while my libido is strong, it is not sickly like when I was on Masteron or pre-PFS on testosterone. So all of this did recover 3 times before I had 3 estrogen dominant crashes (which I didn’t know that’s what they were), so now that I know, I am waiting to get back to that point again, and I am getting there. This time there is no way to “Crash,” with that aspect gone, I theorize full recovery, I call Masteron the nuclear option.
So in the interest of sharing information, I am happy to answer any questions you guys have, if you want questions he asked answered, just post them, I will no longer see any of his posts. If I continue with him, I will leave this forum, it is too stressful to deal with him, I never read such mean spirited and just nasty messages, he is just a little troll monster. He even went as far as to discredit my theories, then he shared them with his doctor and admitted his doctor gave my theories merit, and told me his doctor knew more than I did about PFS and how to treat it, yet his doctor had him on a horrible shitty combo that is laughable!
Anyway, I wanted to explain myself and why you will not see his posts replied to.