Depressed guy, what are your testosterone levels? I imagine due to how fucked you got that they are actually pretty high and all converting to estrogen, are they high? If they are high then try Letro 2.5mg a day and see what happens, if they are low then you will need test. If you are afraid to inject you could try to make this work with fortesta gel. If you have low test any doctor will write it, they are handing it out like fin, prob all the victims of fin that are stage 1. Tell me what your test is?
Total testesterone: 7,59. (2,84-8.0 ng/ml)
Free testo: 31.2. ( 8,69-54,7 pg/ml)
Estradiol: 25,56. ( 7,63-42.6 pg/ml)
My 6 months ago bloodwork.
I wanted to post that my theories seem to be true, I have noticed an improvement in my 5ar activity and an increase in muscle mass and size. Mood improvement, more sebum production (sign of 5ar activity), today something clicked, my 5ar is starting to really rebound. If my theories are correct, we can all heal from this perhaps quicker than I originally thought. Though the 4 year number remains in my theories until otherwise proven. I also have the possibility of a 3 month mark, thatâs how long it takes the hpta axis to recover, I did notice marked improvements at the 3 month mark before I shutmyself down with dht.
I believe those are UK measurements, can you translate into US for me someone?
1 ng/ml = 100 ng/dl
It means my total testesterone level is 759 ng/dl
Just as I suspected, you can actually recover quite easily I believe, your test has not been shut down by the neuroestrogen dominance yet. It is your age and genetics, order Letrozole immediately and go on 2.5mg a day and stay on, you should recover just like legendary did. Please order this immediately, time is of the essence, if you wait till your test gets shut down then you will need test injections.
Letrozole will have some possible side effects that will go away as time goes by, maybe a week, not s big deal though. On that dose you should not notice anything, I started at stupid high doses, please go on and report back, you should have improvements within 1 month. If not then you would move to stimulating 5ar, but I donât think thatâs necessary with your test levels.
Iâll pm you a good site in the states to get it fast in liquid form, but if you can get it where you live faster, please do.
Depressed guy, can you tell me what your bio testosterone is? Whatâs the conversion of that too?
JQD what do you make of this?
Chronic administration of androgens with actions at estrogen receptor beta have anti-anxiety and cognitive-enhancing effects in male rats
Depressed guy, Iâm familiar with how bad off you are based on us sharing a mutual friend, I am assuming your system is hammering you with estrogen and not allowing your 5ar to recover. This is all theory, so I donât want to get your hopes up, but itâs worth noting that legendary recovered the same way.
Letrozole is harmless, wonât kill you, letâs see if Iâm right, whatâs your bio test and total test and estrogen? Let me know in us figures, can you get another test? Do you feel pfs crash like symptoms? Panic? Anxiety? Sadness, depression? Do you have muscle twitches especially in your calves? Trouble taking deep breaths sometimes? Let me know, if you have these symtoms your estrogen is high because your test is high and heavily converting to estrogen without a working 5ar system.
I think at worst you will notice some improvements from the Letro, do you have any arimidex on hand to try and see what happens?
Guys unfortunately i dont know my bioavailable testesterone level and estrogen.
I have constant muscle twitches and increasing after ejaculation. I had extreme anxiety on my crash now im zombie, no emotions. Also i have tinnitus that drilling my head. Fucking loud.
No i dont have arimidex, should i try arimidex first or letro?
Start with arimidex and see how you feel. Get liquidex and take an oral dose of 1 ml. See how you feel? Keep in mind Iâm some who responded well to very small amounts of progesterone cream, which is also an AI.
Get both arimidex and Letro, how quickly can you get another blood test?
Those blood test numbers are excellent depressedguy. Goes to show how fuct up pfs is. If it is neurosteroidal estrogen then AI may help. Only one way to find out.
You are not really comparable to legendary who had t levels near bottom of the range before he ran Clomid/ai.
Good luck.
Which is why he doesnât need clomid, I think on Letrozole alone he is going to recover, he is being hammered so bad because of his raging testosterone being aromatized on a neurosteroidal level. Depressed guy, score some Letro asap, it canât hurt you, but I would like to see your current levels just in case they did crash. If your test is low now then Letro wonât do much, but if your test is still good then it will. You said you still get muscle twitches in your calves now?
This will be interesting, I think on 2.5mg a day he might see some significant improvements, depressed guy, let me know.
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I highly recommend you guys read the above thread, moonman introduced me to prenenolone and told me it was the only thing he found to fight his estrogen. I donât know if it is pregnenolone helping with the Letro, but from what I read it seems to be a very healthy supplement. I also ordered Chrysin, waiting for it to arrive, but plan to add that to my natural regiment, I donât really post all the natural stuff I take as I donât want to confuse people with convoluted protocols that are unnecessary.
I do think Chrysin is something we should all be on since even Endoâs recommend it to kill of estrogen.
ALSO, for the FIRST TIME since I had PFS, I have male body scent back under my arms, it actually smells like a healthy man and not like nothing. I had like no smell, because I eat very healthy and workout a lot, so I think thatâs why some guys here said they smelled bad. I just had no smell, now all of a sudden male scent which is phenomenal, this is one of the things I had been missing. Now it is just the beginning, but it seems my theories are true.
Not smelling like anything can fuck with your mind, made me feel like a mannequin, plus, I am very into hormones and I know how powerful pheromones are in sexual attraction. That is why they make colognes, they are modeled after male pheromones. I can detect the scent of a healthy male with good testosterone levels. Studies have shown women can detect this scent, they prefer it over the scent of guys with lower test.
I believe we can all recover, it is just a matter of doing a 5AR PCT.
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guys look at Legendaryâs post in his recovery thread âPost subject: Re: BEFORE & AFTER story of Clomid Treatment for PFSâ. His endo is essentially saying the same things as JQDâs theory. Check out Legendarys post from September 2014, his endo explains the same theory as JQD. I am going to start letro, continue to take Clomid, and when E is low enough Iâll supplement with DIM as suggested by his endo. I am currently using Arimidex as an AI.
The improvements legendary notes from letro + clomid are very similar to mine. The cognitive sides all go away, no slurring of speech, increased cognition, word recall, memory, etc⌠These are the areas he notes improvements on almost immediately with letro, much like me. I am a lawyer and I struggle greatly with speech and writing so I am very sensitive to improvements/deterioration in this area. I am going to do a follow up blood test soon. to see where m levels are at.
If you have trouble trusting JQD, read Legendaryâs post from September 2014. You will see that an endo hypothesized JQDâs theory and has effectively used it on other PFS sufferers
That is an interesting post. His endo postulates a mutation resulting in preferential estrone formation. Another poster, dmal, in that thread says he is much better on letrazole too after a couple of months of treatment. He said he would return in a week to give a big update but never returned. I wish people would follow up after statements like this for the sake of providing some insight. Maybe he is off living life or didn t have anything positive to report.
Anyway, I m going back to my endo to discuss this with him. He did say he d have no trouble experimenting on me even though everything looked good.
I have no interest in injecting t but from what I gather ai use in itself stimulates natural t levels.
I m just wary of taking something and having the effects wear off/becoming tolerant. I m not prepared to take hourly doses of a drug like jqd did with arimidex. How much letrazole are you needing to maintain now jqd? 2.5 mg/day seems like the standard dose rightâŚas in what bodybuilders use?
Most reponses seem to come from ai rather than t. If you do get a response. Not everyone seems to respond but there s only one way to find out.
so i recap the theory in my own words:
while taking finasteride:
we took fin --> DHT goes down a lot,
more test is available --> more test aromatize to E2 over time (maybe expression of aromatase is induce by the lack of DHT)
so now we have more and more E2 in our system and no DHT to regulate. so our body try to stop the flood of E2â> HPT axis shuts down more and more --> test level decrease to amount where we think finasteride is not good for us and we stop taking it.
PFS crash:
we stop taking fin --> 5ar comes back with full forceâ> huge increase in DHT (and probably other 5ar products) -> regulation of E2 --> we feel normal for a while --> than to much DHTâ> expression of 5ar stops --> E2 rise again and suppress test production. now we have PFS
( but that also means, that huge amount of DHT (derivates) taken by bodybuilders lead to similiar symptoms ?, and in most pfs sufferers are the DHT blood levels in range)
JQD cure: --> 5ar induction due to testosterone
according to JQD theory we have to increase our test level with external testosteron/clomid/tamoxifen?/tribulus etc and keep our E2-level down with an AI