So I have officially switched to letrozole, due to my need for high doses of arimidex and high frequency, so I’m on letrozole 2.5mg 2-3x a day with testosterone propionate 30mg a day. My test is way too high, but I have other goals, I want my body bigger again, already getting there from the letro’a effective AI. Most guys don’t need to be on what I’m on, though some could argue it’s a low dose, it depends on your point of view. I started breaking out on my back so I can’t go much higher than this. Testosterone propionate is highly androgenic (dht inducing) which is why I picked it. I may lower it to 20mg in the future, I just want to see how this plays out, I’m very stable and doing great. I stopped hcg for a while as it is highly estrogenic, but my nuts shrunk and I always feel better after I use hcg. I have theories as to why. Keeping your own testosterone working is just a helpful thing with pfs, so hcg caused me to get bloated today, but I’m not suffering any other estrogenic effects.
The letrozole will kill off the bloating I feel, I have to recommend you guys do 10mg of propionate daily and not every other day. The reason is, I find injecting it is its own AI by releasing dht, when I try every other day my estrogen actually increases due to low dht. It’s a balancing act, that’s why this has been so confusing and difficult to fix, it’s not a protocol, it’s a concept, a way of living, a hormonal management system. No one protocol will help everyone, people must learn my theories and operate this protocol on them, taking AI’s as needed and finding the right dose of propionate. However, as I said, the next protocol will be with suspension, this protocol right now is the first working protocol that can help everyone if used properly.
Don’t get hung up on protocols, learn what I’m saying, understand what’s wrong and how to fix it, then my protocol will make sense, this forum is filled with smart guys. I theorize that guys who come here are smarter than most guys as they figured out they have pfs, most guys never figure that out. I’m pretty sure I know 2 guys who have pfs and refuse to accept it and remain on fin, they both get angry when I bring it up. Both are bloated, low libido, bla ba
Danny is starting my protocol, I plan to talk to him on the phone and help him out, finally someone who doesn’t want to remain secret lol. If the guy is going to do my protocol, I owe it to him to at least call and explain everything.
"Which user is danny? Dannyfc?
"My protocol is actually based on natural healing. "
Questionable.
I understand u r trying to stimulate your own 5ar but the stimulus is hardly natural.
That's correct, but I am speaking in the broad sense of the term, replacing DHT is artificial, but replacing testosterone to boost our own DHT to stimulate our system into recovery is just inducing a natural recovery. I see no evidence we can recover without testosterone levels being optimal, and the problem has been the form of testosterone everyone has used has made it impossible to respond due to it mostly being aromatized and creating a form of neurosteroidal estrogen dominance that is a cycle that naturally will not break.
If your testosterone levels are low and you have PFS, you will be fucked without doing this or something like it. I have looked at stories, and guys with this for 10 years all have low test or no test, guys who recovered had good testosterone levels. Others have reversed this with creative HRT methods, not everyone with PFS is on this forum, thousands of guys around the world find ways out of this I am sure.
Praying to Heal is a perfect example of someone who had a good doctor, I really wish before he was banned he could have given us his doctor's name, she had him on a brilliant protocol, but it ran along the same lines as mine, same principals, different drugs.Yes, Dannyfc
I’m going to try it as well, and do the 10 mg prop injection + Arimidex as recommended by JQD.
My T has been low (350-400) the last few years, for as long as I’ve been off of finasteride. DHT and FSH have also been low, while LH has been normal. I did try test cypionate as prescribed by Dr. Chrisler at 60 mg once a week, but only felt a mild upswing after my very first injection (but nowhere close to pre-fin levels). The remaining injections had no positive impact on me at all, so I’m hoping the prop has a completely different effect as JQD described.
Testosterone Suspension is the King, I can’t wait till I get my hands on it, it all converts to DHT and leaves nothing behind to aromatize, but propionate is at least manageable. Remember, Arimidex as needed, but I have found that I require letrozole 2.5mg a day 2X, but I am on 30mg of propionate. On 10mg you should get by with arimidex, but take it as needed, try 0.5mg and wait an hour, if you only feel slightly better then switch to 1mg and wait an hour.
The principal is to keep estrogen low so you can induce DHT without it being shut down by high estrogen from testosterone being aromatized due to damaged 5AR. DHT has a 5 day half life and is an irreversible suicide inhibitor of estrogen, so if we keep estrogen low and stimulate DHT, our DHT will start killing off the estrogen when it rebounds.
I just got to a point where I was requiring lots of arimidex, hourly, with letrozole that isn’t the case, everyone is different, so start out with arimidex, but nothing wrong with ordering some letrozole and keeping it nearby in case you decide to switch. Remember, use it as needed, when you feel the panic, anxiety, muscle twitches (in calves especially), trouble taking deep breaths, depression, sadness, suicidal thoughts, take arimidex and wait an hour.
Unfortunately we have a condition where we have to manage our own hormones till we get better, but once you taste reversal of this HELL, you won’t want to go back,you will take whatever it is you have to take to feel normal, trust me.
TO ALL WATCHING THIS THREAD,
Hi, I just realized I am getting 1 zillion emails directly to the email address I have on file here, I kept seeing notifications and thought they were just telling me someone posted on the forum or sent me a PM. I use this email address for spam, so I don’t check it really, if you send me a PM, please send it through the forum as I will not get it otherwise. I may change my email in the future on here, but also please try to post so everyone can see your messages. The more posts the better, ask your questions publicly, what’s funny is all of you guys keep asking to see what other guys are doing, but no one wants to post, whenever someone does this they want to be private.
Think about the bigger picture, if you have a question and ask it, it will answer someone else’s in 1 month or maybe 1000 guys have the same question. How often do you read through threads looking for info? There is nothing wrong with posting! If you do want to message me, please do it through the forum or I won’t see it most likely.
thanks
If you are NOT on Testosterone please do not take high doses of Arimidex, take low doses as needed, the doses I spoke of were in response to symptoms as I felt Estrogen and I used the smallest most effective dose. IF YOU ARE CONFUSED, Please go through Dr Jacobs, or wait till guys who know what they are doing come forward.
I could not sleep tonight, I was up researching and theorizing, I am going to make the most perfect protocol possible, but with PFS you guys must think bigger than a protocol. You will have to learn the concepts and theories and understand what is going on and how to use the protocol to manage it. it is actually far easier than it sounds, but my protocol posted was designed to teach you that ability. You will feel DHT from propionate and you will feel what estrogen is when you take arimidex and that horrible estrogen panic feeling goes away.
I am studying neurosteroid precursors, I am quite interested in a couple, so I will be adding some supplement suggestions soon, my current protocol has evolved to 30mg propionate daily with letrozole 2.5mg 2 to 3X a day (start with arimidex before you decide to go to letrozole).
I am looking more deeply into how the hormone precursors DHEA and Pregnenolone might help us. When I first got PFS, DHEA was just about the only thing at the time that made me respond to testosterone (not consistently, but it increased libido and all). I quit DHEA as it was masking my recovery, it was so potent that I wouldn’t know if I was recovering or the DHEA was reversing PFS. I suggested it to 5 alpha long ago and he has always had good results with it.
I am studying a lot of stuff, I have multiple protocols for different people, but the propionate and arimidex will work for everyone is done right. Keep your strength friends, help is on the way! I am curious to when posters will start reporting my protocol, or if they will just all disappear and live life and never come back. At least I am working with 2 guys, and now 2 more have joined, actually 3 more if you count Dannyfc, so that means I am in contact with 5 guys who are starting this protocol, not bad, we shall see how things play out.
I am excited.
JQD, I want you to know that im on board with wanting to try your protocol.
my intention right now is to get new bloodtests from my GP and bring them to Dr Jacobs and talk it out with him.
I feel that this can be the thing to turn things around. I mean shit! He’s prescribing because of you isn’t he, so there must be something there.
I also want you to know that I will not abandon after I try the protocol. I promise I will report back and fill you guys in on how im doing.
It would really help me personally if other ppl came forward to verify if the protocol works, but I understand that “everybody on their own time”. Maybe they don’t want to jinx it or theyre too happy about finding a treatment to take the time idk. whatever the case may be, im on board.
I just have to get over my fears or concerns about injecting hormones as I have never done anything like this before. Anything.
I have very little knowledge of injecting myself, im sure there are does and donts and things only bodybuilders would know.
My other concern is me possibly making things worse, in terms of sensitivity because of increasing androgens. I read on here there was a guy who injected waaayy too much HCG in a day and his sensation went to shit. idk, maybe it turned into estrogen and that e2 increase is what caused the numbness…
What do you think about this JQD?
Also, have a happy thanksgiving man really. Thanks to JQD for all your help and knowledge towards a working protocol that mayjust may be quell the earth of what merck has casted upon it. You should go down in the books for this one pal. Anyway, enough kissin ass lol enjoy and thank you
Just looked up the side effects of Arimidex.
It can cause Benign prostatic hyperplasia and increase the risk of getting prostate cancer.
Many of us already have messed up prostates. It might be better to use a drug that doesnt affect the prostate.
Mark2012, hey man, I think you may have read the info incorrectly. It says on Wikipedia under “usage in men” that high estrogen can cause BPH, not as a side effect from Armidex.
Under the side effects part it just says some bone weakness and a something else.
But high estrogen can definitely cause prostate problems. It has to. we r men and men need the prostate and prostates are maintained and functioned by testosterone and dht.
Im not being a dick or anything I just wanted you to not think armidex is bad in that respect.
Thanks for clearing that up sg8627.
After fin I’m afraid to use any drug especially one that may affect the prostate.
I already have a “mildly enlarged prostate”, so I dont want to cause any further damage.
My pleasure sir.
Yeah im not to familiar with prostate compared to other guys here. Id be more worried about if armidex inhibiting estrogen like fin did dht and have the same problems in a different way. but I dunno maybe armidex is not as dangerous as fin or dut.
im pretty sure though if u go by JQD’S protocol theres a change of prostate enlargement. how can there not be?
My levels of testosterone are optimal on there own just through recovery I suppose, never did a needle or a pill, but I def need that extra boost to rebuild all the shit that was damaged in my body.
I was just wondering where everyone is getting these meds from and what kind of cost are we looking at?
No doubt it is a form of brain injury, but the brain recovers, and this will stimulate our system to recover, I know quite a bit about brain injury as my only sibling suffered traumatic brain injury. I studied it for years and learned all about it, ironic that now I have some sort of brain injury. In all cases of brain injury they stimulate the brain and parts of the brain that are injured, stroke victims learn to speak again and walk again.
AS for HCG, HCG is VERRRRRRYYYYY estrogenic, I even don’t like using it due to the estrogen fallout, I can’t imagine injecting it with PFS without using massive AI’s. It does give me a DHT boost, but also an estrogen attack, i don’t recommend it without lots of AI and getting your DHT up and running with propionate first HCG is a female hormone (as dr jacobs pointed out to me), but it has its uses. It does make me feel better after injecting, but it is a challenge.
You really should only do it once a week while on the protocol and be prepared to deal with the estrogen, you have to learn your body. Remember, when doing variations of my protocol, you risk entering into territory you are not familiar with.
ok so when I talk to Dr. Jacobs should I just ask for what then?
Test Prop
Aramosin (spelling) I think it increases DHT right?
and Armidex?
In other words what’s the most simple and bare minimum I can do?
Like can I take test prop without the other stuff? What precisely do I take?
I want to make sure I do the right thing and not do too much and be in over my head
Just contact dr Jacobs and ask to go on test propionate, and work with him, once you get that far I will help you if you want, but if you can afford to go through him, that is your best route as I am often so busy and he is a doctor. Order Letrozole though, I feel letrozole is far better than arimidex, good to have both on hand.
Do not ask for Aromasin, remember I said many times Aromasin will make you worse, do not ask for it or go on it, just arimidex or letrozole and testosterone propionate.
I wanted to give you guys hope, I am increasingly improving, it seems as though this protocol may be inducing recovery or just reversing the condition, hard to say, but I feel normal.