He said he tried it a few years back and felt amazing but didn’t replicate. I am interested I’m protocols that ACTUALLY affect this condition, either good or bad. Not like 95% of the staments in this board like “I took vitamin A and noticed my nose was a little more runny and my poop was darker”
SERIOUSLY!! What the fuck are some of you guys doing to JQD?! Honestly, every little thing you pick at. Like high school girls for fucks sake. I understand people are angry and frustrated about failed protocols. But this one seems truly legit.
How about instead bashing him, TRY THE FUCKING PROTOCOL! if it doesn’t work then bash him all you want to.
whats more important? I ask you.
trying a promising protocol that can turn our entire lives around for the better or being petty about issues not even related to the issue at hand?
Guys this is about getting better, not bashing each other. That’s all this is about. GETTING BETTER AND HAPPIER. fUCK!
A little appreciation for this guy that has been through some serious amounts of crashes and didn’t give up and may have found a THE treatment.
Now, JQD, what is testosterone suspension? I have no idea. is it even available? is it an injection?
Also, would u suggest testosterone lozenges or whatever they are?
I take Arimidex, like I suggested, recently I am trying letrozole as it is more powerful and may require less dosing, I will let you know if I decide to stick to it, so far it is working for ME really well. That does not mean arimidex doesn’t work, it just means letro is working better for me, but it has only been a couple days.
I have had to dose arimidex quite a bit, take pills around with me etc, so I am looking for an easier approach, and so far I am impressed, but we shall see, as usual, I advise you to use what we know works. My posts about experiments are for the guinea pigs out there who wish to join me lol
Thanks for your support, means a lot, actually, it is the mechanism of action that makes propionate work so well, it is quicker release than the other forms of test. Testosterone suspension is even QUICKER! No ester, no extended release, while propionate is 24 to 36 hours, suspension is immediate and no ester so it has a 3 hour or so half life (like our own testosterone).
It quickly converts to DHT (faster than propionate) and leaves no test behind to be aromatized, I already ordered it, it is on the way, it DEFINITELY will be part of my final long term protocol I am sure. This doesn’t mean propionate and arimidex do not work, they always will work, this is just an upgraded protocol, I have many protocols, I try to post the easiest and most efficient to follow and work.
I have been injecting for 5 years, I have friends who are body builders and injecting for years, daily, never heard of that ever happening even once. I suppose if that EVER happened, you could just pill the pin out, but that is not something that occurs, also the syringe is usually long and you don’t have to stick it all the way in, there is always a good amount of the pin that isn’t all the way in.
Update: I am extremely impressed with my experiences using Letrozole, 2.5mg 2X a day, it has allowed me to increase my testosterone propionate to 30mg (while I wait for my test suspension to get here which will allow me to use much higher doses with lower AI). I have yet to decide if I will be using 30mg every day or every other day, I will see how this week and next week goes and update you guys. Again, please use the protocol we know works, this is an experiment, for those guinea pigs who wish to follow me, please PM me and let me know how you are doing.
I don’t see the harm in using letrozole over arimidex, letrozole is stronger and lasts longer, for you guys who need a lot of dosing of arimidex, it might be something you want to try.
JQD is it at all possible that your short term usage (8days) is why you’ve been able to recover even though you used Dut which is more potent than Fin is?
Just a thought. I know there are guys that have used fin for a day or two and are messed up still.
I used it for approx. 8 months or something like that. I just don’t get how it can fin or dut can send us into a tailspin like this if it isn’t androgen insensitivity. Are you saying there is absolutely NO androgen sensitivity possible here then and it is estrogen dominance?
because the latter seems way more fixable than the former.
I just don’t know. Everything I thought I knew about our condition has been turned upside down.
What do you think about what I said?
Well, you probably don’t know I was on the holy trinity of destruction lol, Accutane at 21 for like 8 months, then started finasteride around the same time, I was on finasteride for 13 years. During this time I suffered anxiety and depression and often had water retention that annoyed me, never could understand why my chiseled features came and went depending on situations, it was annoying. Later on I started HRT as I realized I had low test in my late 20s, I did some modeling, I got very built, testosterone made my oily skin really hard to manage and I started suffering acne.
I was the mad scientist like from Xmen (Hank) who created a formula to get rid of his mutation and turned him completely blue! I decided to use my knowledge to target the enzymes causing this problem, Avodart worked great! Stopped the problem, I was on it for 8 days, then during that time my massive amounts of DHT (with its 5 day half life) started depleting. I suffered an Estrogen dominance attack at the end of that week (I turned myself into a monster). I knew what was happening unlike most guys, I had an extensive understanding of this stuff.
I knew Avodart had a 5 week half life, I was in denial for a while, I figured once the drug cleared my system I would be good, that is why I never posted my full story about my finasteride use, egocentricity and denial. I did not want to accept that I had this, it took me months to accept it, I came into this with already a very extensive understanding of hormones, 5AR enzymes, and pharmacology. Unlike you all here, I set out to limit my 5AR enzyme type 1, I never imagined this would occur.
Now I am merely reversing what I did, after speaking to Dr Jacobs and several doctors and endo’s (and remember I was an executive of a medical company), I realized I had more knowledge of all this stuff than any doctor studying it or working on it. So sadly it stopped here with me, I had to solve this, and I did, there are no doctors that know more than I do that I have found about this condition or how to treat it. I would be THRILLED if you proved me wrong, but I believe that Dr Jacobs prescribing my protocol is evidence enough.
Once I perfect it I will share the data with Dr Jacobs and Dr Goldstein, as I am not in this to gain any credit, just to help everyone here and myself included. Also, please keep in mind I am NOT recovered, I am REVERSED, big difference, if I stop this protocol I will end up like the worst of the guys here I am sure. I have constantly modulated my protocols to get myself to where I was prefin, that is why I am constantly modulating things. Where I am at now, everyone here would kill to be, but I am trying to get as big as I was (muscle wise), I am already bigger than a normal guy muscle wise which is pretty good for a guy with PFS I think.
So I have much harsher goals than anyone here, that is why my research is so helpful to everyone here, even the least of my protocols would help everyone here get to a normal life. I have been normal for a while on this, now I am trying to bring that more.
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I’m not bashing Dr. Jacobs, I am simply saying IF he is experimenting with your suggestions it is not enough to really prove anything. But it will add some degree of credibility. Dr. Jacobs has been quite aggressive in experimenting with patients and is quick to offer diagnoses. I really do think it was ridiculous and offensive that he asked me if I wanted to go back on Propecia given how much pain it caused me.
You mentioned Dr. Jacobs turned you onto Arimidex so I don’t know how you story is supposed to check out. I have no problem with “evolving” treatment approaches but once you claim you have attained “100% PFS REVERSAL” you are basically locking yourself into an approach that can only be made worse. It is the inconsistencies and erratic behavior to which I am opposed.
If what you are saying is true, in the next 1 - 2 months we can expect guys will visit Jacobs and try out whatever your suggestions are. At that point, we’ll have more data to evaluate whether you are making sense or you are a quack but until then keep yourself in check with these manic claims.
I don’t really have much to say to this… congratulations on your academic achievements I guess? I can assure you though that there are already very smart people working on this problem - the Brigham study is really just one example. If you are willing to venture and try new treatments, go talk about this with Jacobs and report back. This is the sensible way to go about it.
Just remember that JQD’s claims have yet to be validated. Go in with an open mind, don’t have too high expectations, try your best to understand the risks of what you are doing and I wish you the best.
Sometimes you understand it better when s happening to you then a doc coukd imagine. If you tell most doctors you took Finasteride for 9 years, and two weeks after you quit your penis curved to the left, you lost muscle mass, you were bloated, you had hearing problems. What do you think they would say?
What would 99% of all doctors tell you Frustrated?
Mine was actually very helpful and interested. And I used to think he was a proper cunt. He was genuinely concerned, has run a lot of bloodwork etc. They’re not all bad. They’re just not capable of actually helping us in this situation. Especially in the UK, we tend to strike our revolutionary doctors off of the register.
Also, no rudeness meant to either you or JQD. I like you both. But these revolutionary new protocols aren’t that revolutionary. This one in particular is mostly just endens propionate protocol with a-dex instead of andractim
Ok so let’s say he even thinks something is wrong, does he have a remote idea? Chances are no. Yes the good docs are at the least curious.
As justquitdut- they aren’t necessarily new, they are evolved. They may explain why they didn’t work in the past. Greatest invention comes from some imitation.
My Doc actually called around his friends in different specialities, endos, urologists etc. He sat me down afterwards and told me that right now, there’s no way to fix this but studies are being performed at two of the most respected medical institutes in the world. For a guy who’s never taken finasteride, I found it quite heartwarming he cared that much. Couldn’t help at all, but it was nice.
They’re not new, no, but JQD likes to act like they’re his protocols. I wish enden was more involved in this protocol, between JQD and Enden I genuinely believe they’d find an answer to this situation permanently. I think it’s wrong to rule out the adrenals however, the cortisol production line influences the rate at which hormones get metabolised in the body.
I’m going to give this protocol a try, but it would be reassuring to see some others step forward and claim the same measure of improvement that you have made thus far, JQD. It seems that many, including myself, have asked you questions about the protocol but nobody has spoken up to say “this has changed my life.”
I’ve got test propionate, Arimidex, Proviron, and HCG coming my way. I’m going to start with prop daily (around 50 mg), Arimidex, Proviron as an experiment, and HCG once a week if I get any atrophy.
After a few weeks, I’ll come back with a progress (or lack thereof) report.
That’s to much prop from what I’ve read. 10mg is sufficient.
Hahaha exactly!!! No one listens, he said 10, not 50. Come on man seriously.
Dr Jacobs did NOT introduce me to anything, I was on arimidex long before I had pfs, it was I who introduced Dr Jacobs to Propionate, that’s it.
Did Eden take arimidex as needed to lower estrogen at a high frequency of use? My theories state Andractim is suppressive, Eden was injecting subq, injecting subq causes more aromatization. Eden does not follow any theme. He just does one protocol after another then stops, I'm not sure what his goals at at this point. I left his forum as he was just not following any theme, I have been evolving the same theory for months and evolving better ways to treat it.
Eden has never followed my protocol, he is too afraid to take too much arimidex, because he took too much off testosterone and lowered is estrogen too much, he just doesn't understand how this works. It's not the drugs, it's managing your hormones and keeping estrogen down long enough for dht to rise and then kill off estrogen before estrogen shuts down dht, it's a vicious cycle.At one stage, enden used so much aramidex that he was od’ing his test to restore his estrogen. Enden just works differentally to you by studying what he’s doing over an extended period of time. At one stage, he even went back on finasteride to see if he could study the effects. This isn’t as simple as estrogen dominance JQD. What’s causing the estro dominance now the fin is washed out? That’s what enden is trying to figure out.