I have had a steady improvement of all symptoms, but other than progesterone use which one time made me feel great and one time mad me crash (then rebound and feel great) I have not tried anything. This is the first protocol that makes the most logical sense. It is in direct alliance with a theory I proposed 2.5 years ago. I graduated summa cum laude from a top 30 institution in the world, I graduated #5 in my law school. I have been looking for someone to come along who possess the same type of critical thinking with an expansive knowledge of hormones and that person is justquitdut. I am going to do the protocol under supervision of Jacobs. The fact that perfectgent after one application said he felt better than he ever has and even Vincentv who said he had an amazing week with it lends credence that we are stimulating something important, now we have to understand why it wonāt last and Justquit has offered that very explanation.
Btw- he is also ground breaking by offering potential information of low dosages. Most docs have tried to push testo through the roof to no avail. We are are grandiose society, bigger is better, more meds, buyer doses etc. His thinking is novel and refreshing. All I know is my side effects came on 2 weeks after my last dose of Finasteride after using for 9 years, maybe the slightest change can offset our hormones. Maybe the slightest lowering of testo from ceasing finasteride altered our hormones.
I donāt think doctors or even researchers can say that adjusting sex hormones has no impact on neurosteroids. Dr. Mark Gordon seems to believe they do and has results to back it up. Now the question is what is making PFS unique. The initial positive response to treatment then fade out.
People who question JQDās integrity based on statements such asā¦āI know more about hormones than any doctor I have ever talked toā should stop doing so. Iām a bodybuilder and have been studying hormones/anabolics for over 15 years. I have been to see many doctor even before PFS and JQD is right. Doctors donāt know half of what bodybuilders do about hormones and certainly not ANYwhere near what we know about anabolic hormones/how they work and how to use them.
Just to give you an ideaā¦of what Iām talking about. I have suspected this to be estrogen dominance back in May of this year due to the fact that I have been natural for over five years and suddenly I was getting gyno in my left nipple very bad(I am very familiar with estrogen side effects as I began cycling anabolics since the age of 21). all my bloodwork kept showing estrogen to be in range(it was towards the higher side but still within range and my total testosterone was high as well for a natural 34 year old man).
anyway I went to my endo with my claim of ālook I think my estrogen is out of balance Iām getting gyno and you can see my nipple is puffy and there is a big hard lump under itā. the endo responded with āyes there is a lump but if it was estrogen imbalance or dominance it would be in both nipplesā hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
and this is nothing new. I have a friend that almost got his IFBB procardā¦lost the overall to Dallas mcCarver at the Northamericans a few years back. We always laugh at how little doctors know regarding hormones. JQD isnāt being boastful hereā¦heās just stating a very sad FACT
JDQ I know your considering test suspension over prop, but Iām thinking you might want to reconsider. test suspension has NO ester at all. so while you are getting the the most test mg for mgā¦ level of aromatization into estrogen is the highest of all testosterones with test suspension. for this reason physique athletes use suspension during off season or bulking. GYNO is a huge problem with suspension. it aromatises very rapidly and I know you will need alot more AI than with prop. Prop has long been known as the ācutting testā due to less bloat and estrogen.
also, stick with adex over Letro. yes letro wipes estrogen out fastā¦however, few bodybuilders use letro with TRT due MANY MANY claims of it wiping out libido completely!!!(they only keep it on hand because it can reverse gyno) Iām not making this up. I have heard there have been studies that show letro works on the brain diferently than other AIās in that it has this very well known effect of killing a mans libido COMPLETELY(libido will return after 3 week off letro). and just like most other AIās letro will tank your HDL levels like no other. Aromasin is the most forgiving when it comes to HDlā¦but masteron is now the prefered method of AI with TRT and bodybuilders.
Iām preparing to run my own protocol based on JQDās therories. However, the protocal will be a little different. I have prop,enanthate, sust250, letro. just need to get some nolva, clomid and Adex.
I have my prescription for Arimidex and Clomid! He was interested by the theory and acknowledged the fact that a testosterone deficiency makes a negative impact on thyroid hormones. He advised me to wean off T3 as soon as I start the Clomid. He finds my morning basal temp is much too low for a man (about the same as before the treatment), and Iām beginning to understand T3 is not the culprit here, it is just a consequence of the Testosterone/Estrogen connection.
Yes!!! Itās also a reason why many of us have thyroid issues but normal thyroid numbers!!! Itās estrogen
Oh, now you are bashing Dr Jacobs?? LOL, I am not responding to anymore of your posts, I have been using Arimidex LONG before I had PFS, I have been using it as part of HRT I was on LONG before I had PFS. Your thinking is just too confined to understand this, and as for blood tests, I said many times this does not show on blood tests. My tests always show perfect everything, this is neurosteroidal, neurosteroids are affected by hormones and drugs, but do not show on tests.
Arguing with you is a waste of time, your only goal seems to be to discredit me, first you were raving about how great Dr Jacobs was and now you are bashing him. You are just one of these negative miserable people who wants everyone else to join you in your hell. I offered to help you, you refused, fine, so go on with your negative rants, why donāt you correct my grammar and spelling some more.
Everyone just ignore this guy, he really doesnāt understand what I am talking about at all. Dr Jacobs as this guy pointed out, is an esteemed doctor who is using my protocol, that is evidence enough that you should just ignore this guy. This guy alters his argument to attack me any which way that suits his attack, it is counter productive, so just donāt respond to him. He is one of these people who thinks evolving protocols are bad, I should never have come this far so I wouldnāt be discredited in his eyes, as soon as something started working i should have stuck with it and never improved lol.
Finatruth, Vincent is doing this now too? He used to attack me on a regular basis lol, tell him I demand he send me an apology lol, that is good news though, glad to hear he is improving as well. You might want to spread the word to guys to keep Letrozole in mind, it is stronger than Arimidex, for those non responders to Arimidex or requiring a lot of it, letrozole is a good choice 2.5mg 1 to 2x a day (only after you try arimidex a while and get used to it). It may be that arimidex is your best bet, everyone is different, I am giving letro a try for the next couple weeks and see what happens.
My next protocol will probably be testosterone suspension and letrozole, I believe that will be the ultimate protocol, I am trying to make this as simple as possible and as efficient as possible. So less AI and more DHT, so far everyone seems to be responding to this protocol or variations of it.
Just has to do with the type of test being used, test cypionate induces a lot of estrogen, so initially a guy may not have extreme estrogen dominance, so he injects cypionate, has a DHT boost and then hours or days later the fallout comes from the extended release ester of Cypionate which is very estrogenic. The compromised 5AR system cannot reduce the test to DHT so starts aromatizing it, and the estrogen is so much that it shuts everything down, and continues to do so till it leaves the system. After it leaves the system the guy is worse off than when he started with a new level of estrogen dominance.
That can be reversed, but this is what is going on, and yea neurosteroids can be affected by hormones and anti androgens, point in case, finasteride affected our neurosteroids and arimidex affects them as well. It seems Frustrated is arguing just to argue, some people here are so miserable that they just donāt want anyone to get better, he is one of them. First he was arguing how great Dr Jacobs was in an attempt to attack me, then when he realized Dr Jacobs is prescribing my protocol he starts bashing him, donāt even acknowledged this guyās posts anymore.
Donāt forget DHT, and 5ar, we have limited 5AR activity so have to keep estrogen down so that it doesnāt shut down our dht and the test can convert to DHT without being shut down. We want to build up DHT, but keep in mind you may not have enough natural testosterone, my protocol doesnāt say clomid, lots of guys are trying it with success, but some may not have success as their natural test may be too beat up, if so you need propionate or suspension if you can get it, that would be the best.
Finstruth could you please clearify on your comment about Vincent. I believe Vincent took an AI a while back and had some short term temporary positive results. Am I wrong about that? Is Vincent currently on justquitdutās AI/low dose testosterone treatment?
Just an FYI (this is not a challenge to justquitdutās AI/low dose testosterone treatment) I took clomid and armidex for two years. I got worse during this time. Justquitdut is aware of this and offered the following explanations:
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the clomid made my Testosterone to high. According to his method it canāt be to high
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I was taking a scheduled 1 mg dose of armidrx every day. It canāt be a scheduled dose of armidex. It needs to be taking as needed as diff dosages every day. And 1mg is to low.
I donāt think clomid will work for you as well. There is no way to regulate how much clomid will and will not work as far as raising your testosterone levels go. Iād stick with using clomid for restart/pct uses. Itās to unprictiable but does work as an awesome restart for low T. My testosterone levels went from their post PFS state of being on the low 300ās to mid. 700ās. I just got mine tested again recently and Iām now on the high 700ās naturally. I waited 14 days of taking no trib, tongkat or dhea before testing.
Anyway Iād try cycling high quality trib and tongkat Ali with armidex if you are trying to avoided taking testosterone if thatās your goal. This way your looking at not so much of a dramatic increase in testosterone that you will prob see on clomid
For the record clomid is not in my protocol, itās something guys who are afraid to use propionate or suspension are doing lol, I never tried it, natural test is too unpredictable with this condition. It will work for some but will not for others, those guys will need propionate like me. Clomid will not work for me.
5 alpha get yourself some letrozole and try 2.5mg a day or 2x a day and see how you evolve with that, you have to keep your estrogen down, so your test can convert to DHT without being shut down.
I have reached a new benchmark of improvement today, not sure if it is from my system recovering from this protocol or my new modulation, but I upped again to 30mg of propionate and switched to letrozole 2.5mg 2 X a day and my DHT surged through the roof, oily skin, huge muscles, libido and lots hair, who would have though that would make me happy? This has to be some kind of punishment to teach me a lesson for being so vain.
Donāt just follow this modulation, start out like I said, it may be too high, just wanted to update some new progress, we will see how the next 2 weeks go, but it is a marked improvement, from the modulated protocol.
Do not follow this protocol itās just an experiment, some here like to know what Iām up to, please stick to what we know works
Half of the statement is true lol: Iām just afraid of injecting myself and breaking the needle in my skin, and the PM post by Newbie (Legendary had a good response too) was quite inspiring.
5 alpha, I wanted to add that taking arimidex is old news if it worked by just taking arimidex we would all be cured by now, you need to take a lot of it, you need to take it as needed, if you are using natural test then you need to take lower doses frequently throughout the day and get your estrogen down. As you feel estrogen symptoms (aka pfs crash symptoms) you need to take arimidex, taking it once a day will not do shit, even twice a day.
I recommend you try letrozole as it is stronger and works longer, see how that works for you.
JQD, have u already switched to the letro or are u still taking armidex ?
Giving it a shot, Letro, arimidex, doesn't matter what AI you use, I'm trying to find the best one and the best form of test as I said would be suspension (which im ordering from overseas). It's not the drugs we use, it's the principals and concepts that matter, keep with what works, but you can give letrozole a try and see how it plays out.
I tried letrozole a few times in the past and had side effects from it and had to stop, this time I am going to ride it through and see what happens. This how I figure things out, trying them, using myself as the guinea pig lol. That's how I figured out how to reverse this, I have several protocols that work, I just post the easiest ones for people to follow.