I understand that according to justquitdutd theory that we are suffering from a type of estrogen domience that is not the same as high estrogen as far as what doctors think estrogen domience is and as far as how typical estrogen donience showes up on blood work.
Trust me guys I get what he is saying and I am not challenging it. I’m on bored. All Im saying is this concept in my humble opnion is not consistent with cddnuts recovery which is the only reason why “I sided” with bizzybee when it came to that one point bizzybee was trying to make.
I already have armidrx and I am standing by watching what you guys have to say about your attempts with reducing your estrogen
I like this concept but I need to be careful because I took armidrx for a year and a half and got worse while on it. And no I did not take it exactly as outlined in justquitdut’s theory. That’s already been established and discussed.
Please anyone who’s taking low dose T with armidrx as needed continue to post your results
5 alpha hi, hope you are well, I think I confused you, my theories state that constant stimulation of the 5ar enzymes and inducing dht will lead to recovery. While CDnuts was not using my protocol, his pct protocols were constantly stimulating his 5ar enzymes. Also lots of people here leave out the fact that he had 4 years of natural recovery, it may have just been that and the constant 5ar cycling fixed him.
Dht was immensely beneficial to me, there are times im tempted to inject masteron to get huge again, it was the only thing that allowed me to take any form of testosterone in large doses. It acts as a potent AI and dht replacement. In my experiences though, being on dht just suppressed my own dht production, I had dht production and when I took dht or alpha hard I felt great but needed more the next day. The cycle continued and I lost all my dht gains I made in 3 months from constant stimulation.
I can only tolerate 10mg every other day of propionate now after dht, I suspect in 3 months I’ll be where I was before I tried alpha hard and dht. I suspect every guy on this forum has tried CDnuts protocols without success. It will definitely help you according to my theories via constantly stimulating your 5ar. The small amount of AI is a joke but without working with exogenous testosterone and just working with your own, maybe that’s enough AI, I don’t know.
If I weren’t injecting test then I wouldn’t need so much arimidex, the ball game is different when dealing with your own test and injected test. My theories state that most men will recover from this in 4 years if they continuously stimulate their 5ar. My HOPE is that my protocols will lead to a faster recovery, but in the meantime at least functional.
I’m working on a new protocol whenever the hormones get here that will be even better and require less arimidex. Since I’m operating alone it takes time, this is just the beginning. Also, the estrogen dominance is no longer a theory, it has been proven, multiple guys have reported the same improvements I have had with doses of arimidex, so we know it’s estrogen.
Please do let us know how your CDnuts protocol works out, but if you want to mess with dht why not just use masteron and regular testosterone and move on with your life long term? You will still need lots of AI though, any form of dht (including alpha hard or andro hard) shuts down your own dht. It sucks, that’s why this fucking thing has been so hard to treat, it’s multiple problems that I unraveled.
The treatments are in body builder science, our bodies are acting as though we are mega body builders on mega steroids.
Good point Finatruth, estrogen dominance in our cases occurs on the neuro steroidal level and may even be a ratio thing as well. Whatever it is, I’m here to tell you, it’s estrogen, I operate off it daily, many others here after finding this out are as well. Yes it sucks but once you start reversing this you won’t go back.
I’m working on better ways to control estrogen and a new form of test that produces less. Someone already contributed some new info on combating estrogen, I plan to explore that, as well as progesterone as an AI which we know has worked on another pfs sufferer.
In the meantime, I prefer for guys to fight this reversed rather than suicidal and weak.
If he is thinking that way then he is useless, I hope he helps but I have to be honest with you. That's why I left my hrt doctor, he said the same thing, this doesn't show in tests, everyone here who has tried arimidex knows our prob isn't low estrogen lol. Doctors have "God complexes," so you can try, but more than likely he will convince you I am wrong and he is right. So far doctors working with pfs have seemed to make the situation worse, I had being negative I really do, but it's the truth.
Don't beg your hopes up my friend, the good news is though, I found a path to follow that will work, and it's only getting better! You can do it through dr Jacobs, but please do try to tell this doctor all I have explained, who knows, maybe he will listen.
Yes it does, the problems are due to estrogen dominance, doctors use avodart for male to female transsexuals, your body is converting you into a hermaphrodite or transsexual. Hermaphroditism has a form that is 5ar defeciency, sucks but it’s true.
Reversing the estrogen and inducing dht will restore what has been shut down, it does in women transforming into men and in old men completely shut down. Dr Jacobs does prescribe this so yes you can get it through him. The reason guys got worse was because they did it without keeping estrogen in check and used long acting testosterone esters that for us are impossible to manage.
Others who used synthetic dht suffered the same fate as me, shut down of their own dht and reverting to when they first crashed (estrogen dominance).
Just so you guys know where I got the 4 year number, it’s consistent with lots of recovery stories, as well as I spoke to a pharmacist who works at the company that makes avodart. She told me that I studies done in men who had persistent side effects, the number of those men was 1% and they recovered in 4 years. That’s something like what she told me, so the 4 year number is something I have seen everywhere, that’s why I believe that.
I feel bad that we all hit up JustQuitDut constantly for reassurance and info…lord knows the dude has his own life but he seems so passionate about helping and for that he has our eternal thanks. Shit if he cures all of us myself included, after the way ive been feeling the last few years, ill name my first kid after him and im dead serious. You da man JQD.
Before I say anything JQD, im not contesting your intelligence or integrity here. Im just merely posing a thought here,
im confused on something though…one of those doctors that made conclusions about propecia, I think his name is Dr. Traish or some shit like that. anyway, he mentioned specifically the subject of penile sensitivity and how the nerves or receptors get fucked up and don’t accept the things they need to survive anymore and that’s why the penis go numb or insensitive.
Now this is a clinical doctor who is supposedly very knowledgeable and all knowing and blah blah blah. you just cant come out and say something is without knowing for sure. BUT, he is a doctor so u must give him the respect and maybe the benefit of the doubt.
But JQD is saying that that is not the case at all. That it’s not nerve damage or receptor mutation ( which btw was and is a MAJOR focus on this forum regarding epigenetics. Jacobs even mentioned it to me in person.) I’ve also read on some bodybuilding sites that many guys if they control their E2 their sensitivity comes back. THIS CONFUSES THE FUCK OUT OF ME! sorry but who’s right???
I wanna believe you JQD, im desperate here man.
How can all this info slip past these experts and you found the golden goose? Again not attacking im just fuckin stumped bro and hopin for a miracle.
Thanks JQD
Thanks for the very kind email, it means a lot, well, let me put it to you this way, my dick had no sensitivity for like 2 months or 3 months I forget. When I used masteron as an AI with testosterone I was sickly horny, my dick was more sensitive than ever in my life even pre fin, I would have to get off like 10 times in a day.
Using my own dht via this method I wake up with rock hard erections and my dick is sensitive and everything works perfect. So I have heard a lot of theories from doctors, you prob don’t know that I used to be an executive of a medical company and hired and fired doctors. I have come to resort doctors very little after getting pfs. There is nothing about a doctor that makes them smarter than us or somehow they know more than we do.
Yes they are doctors bla bla bla, but I know for a fact they have all been wrong with their theories, dr Jacobs at least tries but I’m not sure he has ever helped anyone with pfs before this protocol. There is no nerve damage, people try to make this more complex than it is.
We took a drug that blocks 5ar, our 5ar is broken, 5ar type 1,2 and 3 have jobs, when they reduce test to dht they perform functions. Those functions aren’t being performed, our body is aromatising most testosterone (thinking our testosterone levels are too high). High levels of estrogen signal our system that we have too high test and shuts everything down. When my estrogen gets really high my dick gets less sensitive.
When I lower my estrogen and increase dht my dick becomes more sensitive, it’s hormonal, our 5ar system hasn’t been able to heal due to the constant estrogen. Masteron works, no one here who used it used it correctly. It won’t work alone, it must be used with an injection of testosterone and will take 3 weeks to start working. Everything works, our hormones are just out of whack on a neurosteroidal level, so long as your dick isn’t cut off it will recover.
Fuck the doctors and their theories, it’s time we take matters into our own hands. Join me brothers as we reverse this curse, join me as we perfect this protocol! It is not I who has found a treatment, it is all of you, start the protocol and experiment with the theories. All of us can be responsible for saving the lives of countless thousands of guys from today till the end of this. If you do that, if you help to perfect this by trying it, by working around it, if your experiences save a life or cure a disease, won’t that make this hell worth it? Won’t you then be able to justify the loss of time and life? You will all be heroes, perhaps you have all been chosen to join me to cure this. There may be thousands and thousands of men world wide who don’t know they have this. It may be but a fraction who come here, our work will help them all.
We are close, we have figured this out and out to reverse it, now we just have to have trials and perfect it, don’t ever believe you are permanently damaged, that’s not true. I have watched myself go in and out of this state with hormones tweaked the right way. I can make my dick into rubber and into a stallion with one injection or another, it’s hormones.
well if that doesn’t get you pumped lol
That last line really sold me. That you can turn it into a rubber or a stallion because MANY guys have described it as
a “piece of rubber”. I pray and hope all the time it is reversible. it consumes my thoughts all day every day. the fact the I have PDE’S and supplements keeps me going and a little less unhappy.
Just knowing that your protocol is an option and Jacobs is on board is enough for me right now. the only thing holding me back, besides injections ouch but ill deal) is the potential for making things worse. I wouldn’t be able to live with myself if I ended up worse by my own hand again because of propecia. btw FUCK U PROPECIA…sry lol
but apparently the new focus is that estrogen is the culprit, nothing more or less.
seems to simple and easy to be true but hey I hope it is brother.
do you think that constant floods of 5 ar enzyme from test prop. daily can actually fix or 5 ar system.
I mean, if we took a pill that did this to us and we do the opposite with andogens how can that NOT WORK? I mean cmon.
if they just made a fuckin pill that did the OPPSITE OF PROPECIA there u go. Perhaps a simple minded comment but im more than mad. and it is JQD that gives us light at the end of the tunnel. Just for the effort alone we thank u
JQD! How’s that winky dude? Still horny and hard? I’m out here in Buenos Aires…so many fine ladies, I know I should be feeling the desire, but I don’t. Can’t wait to get that protocol on! Peace brothers.
I truly hope so Finatruth…talk about feeling utterly decimated ya know man?
that’s crazy how it’s hormonal and if JQD’S protocol is what it takes to get my life back on track then so be it. Bottom’s up.
although I am still trying to understand it wholly.
Basically all I got so if Test Prop is the ONLY TEST. ok good start
now do I use armidex or Armosin (spelling) I think that one is a dht booster.
and the most confusing part is whether to use hcg or not and how much per day? 100?? a thousand a week seems like a lot
but what do I know, Ive never used androgens, unfortunately only anti-androgens
JQD, like always great to read your posts and attitude to this mess…you said a very inspiring thing here we should all realise…and most importantly your experiments are proof that this is all hormonal…no matter how bad our symptoms are…jelly floppy penis, small tiny erections, anas spasms, constant moving testicles… constant head pressure in the middle of the head…etc etc…they can be fixed…
also for any spiritual guys out there…
I seen a spiritual healer…who said my problems are coming from a lazy pituitary gland, not signalling my testicles to produce enough testosterone…and he also said there is way too much estrogen in my system!..just from a ‘screening’ of my body!
I am also gonna try this SUBQ versus IM (for obvious reasons)…heard people from bodybuilder sites saying aromitisation is no problem and also HRT doctors are going this method also including Dr Crisler! I have been reading too many good things about SUBQ injections now to ignore this method.
Best news is they dont hurt anywhere near as big ass injections do…so Ive heard lol
This kind of statement is what completely kills your credibility and shows you are a lunatic.
Dr. Jacobs actually has an academic background from some of the most esteemed institutions in the world (which I doubt is the case for you). You may have familiarity with one drug that is not prescribed in the US so he may not have known about it, but you certainly don’t know more about endocrinology than he does. You have crossed the line where it is really becoming dangerous for these guys to follow you.
I agree that was a bit of an extreme statement, but to JQD’s defense he did mention that he went to Harvard and majored in pharmacology. I of course can’t validate this and don’t know if it’s true,but if it is, he has a bit more credibility in my book. Just my 2 cents.
If this were true you would expect him to be able to string together coherent thoughts, spell basic English words, and conduct himself him in a way that would be more amenable to facilitating discussion rather than this nonsense. I am very wary of him and there have been a lot of very questionable people that have showed up on this forum in the past making similar claims. If he were so knowledgeable about hormones, he would have better sense not to play with a 5-ar inhibitor in the first case because the warning signals are clearly there for those who are well informed.
Yea, I hired and fired doctors and I went to Harvard so spare me your nonsense, doctors are extremely ignorant of hormones, extremely so. If that weren’t the case I would not have had to reverse this on my own, doctors working with this would have known immediately. So go to your precious doctors and let them cure you, anti aging hormones and body builder hormones are just not something doctors are educated in.
Dr Jacobs was using cypionate and so is goldstein and your precious doctors are so smart why are they using the most estrogenic form of testosterone till I came around? So you doing that is the case for me? I went to Harvard, a better school than both those doctors.
Btw, I have nothing but nice things to say about dr Jacobs, it’s a good thing he doesn’t share your opinon of me or he wouldn’t be prescribing my protocol.
Your posts from now on will be ignored
I knew exactly what I was doing unlike others here, I was attempting to destroy my 5ar type 1, I had extremely oily skin from testosterone. I succeeded and like a mad scientist I turned myself into a monster. If I have no credibility why is dr Jacobs prescribing my protocol? What other guys who have come here with protocols that dr Jacobs started prescribing? Do you have one instance besides this one?
I don’t mean to discredit doctors, but having to figure this out on my own has been rather dissappinting. I spell perfectly fine, what English words do I not properly spell? I am doing all this on my iPhone mostly.
It doesn’t matter to me what you think of my credibility, I’m working to perfect this protocol, your views of me are irrelevent. My only goal is to get everyone here helped, your goal is just to attack me for the sake of attacking me, I will no longer respond to your posts.
Jacobs did his fellowship at Harvard and taught there as well. Assuming you are 1/10th as intelligent as you tell everybody, it would be insane to think an undergraduate degree would even be remotely comparable to the experience and knowledge that Jacobs has. You have yet to provide any real evidence that you have substantially helped anybody or that Dr. Jacobs was positively receptive to your ideas. Until that time comes, you will be exploiting the most desperate guys on here.
Can’t wait to get that protocol on! Peace brothers.