How is bringing to peoples attention the risks of DIY protocols a “drugged up rant”.
What I posted is precious user experience that could be of benefit to men who want to know both sides of the story. I would have thought an impartial man of science like you would appreciate both sides of the argument.
Also where are these people Jacobs and YOU, (x1 and 2) are treating ? There must be quite a few since Jacobs has many pfs patients yet none are coming forward.
Also you have been pming people links to buy pharmaceuticals online so don t say otherwise its in your post history including pms to me. Please don’t lie.
Such thinking has been abandoned in the usa, testosterone doesn't cause heart problems in healthy men. There is a significant difference between taking hormone replacement doses of testosterone (replacing your own hormones) and taking ridiculous body builder steroid abuse doses. I advise you to work with dr Jacobs if you wish to try this protocol based on your existing health issues.
Low testosterone causes a multitude of health problems, high estrogen can cause cancer among the many other things, as if pfs isn't bad enough. Medical science has advanced much since the Cold War, in the usa hormones are being used for (usually the rich) to stay young and healthy long term.
When an old man goes on testosterone and thinks he is 21 again and eats shit and doesn't work out and throws caution to the wind then problems can start. Testosterone presents diabetes and senility and muscle wasting and lots of other problems. Done right it's healrhy, however, I'm more concerned with what pfs would do to my body if I stopped hormones. I worked in the medical industry for years and never saw any evidence testosterone was anything but life changing in a positive way.
I'm not here to debate hormone replacement therapy though, the usa is ahead of most countries in that field of medicine. In another 10 years other countries will catch up, I'm more concerned with treating this horrible condition and bringing about a quicker recovery. Most guys with pfs will end up with life long screwed up testosterone levels, even if you recover from the systemic damage from pfs.
My concepts are about how pfs works and how to combat it, you can use natural means to try and achieve the same goal, people are doing that here. I just have unravelled many of the mysteries of pfs and what is going on and how to treat it. The actual protocol is not as important as understanding what's going on. The tiny doses of testosterone I'm suggesting are equal to what your body produces, they would cause no more problems than your own testosterone (if it were working). The point is this condition screws our testosterone production, we need to control it exogenously to bypass pfs interference with our testosterone production.
This is a very complicated condition, i believe terrified is operating off of my principals using natural methods, you might want to check with him.
Terrified, you are on the right track btw with natural stuff using my concepts and theories, good for you, keep us posted. Though I would suggest you add arimidex to the mix, it's very safe and I don't think chrysin will be enough, but I hope it works for you. Please stay away from alpha hard, it really set back my recovery, I had a lot of 5ar activity recovered and dht production, after alpha hard my system went back to when I first got pfs. I went on proviron and masteron after it suppressed me thinking I would stay on replacement dht long term. I just noticed miraculous improvements from masteron acting as a potent AI allowing me to use any form of testosterone (including enanthate). I was responsive and everything, it must be used with testosterone to work. The problem is, it suppresses your already screwed dht and I was requiring more and more arimidex.
I actually have good things to say about dht replacement as for it being very effective when used right for this condition. The problem is, the andractim gel is shit, you need masteron and it must be used with testosterone. If you use masteron alone it won't do much. I abandoned this for my recovery protocol, it's a harder route as I don't have the ability to use as much test as I want and get huge and all that.
I just feel that using a drug that suppresses dht is not going to help us recover from a condition where our dht is suppressed! Also, long term these drugs are not common and what happens in 10 years or when we can't get it on the net? My approach here capitalizes off of our system's ability to recover naturally, all I'm doing is replacing testosterone to keep inducing dht and keeping estrogen levels down. The reason is so we can live life without suffering and have all our symptoms reversed, in time hopefully our system will recover from the stimulation.
I believe I am the first person to figure out how to get testosterone to work with pfs consistently, so it's an option for people who want it. We should all use many approaches as no one else is working on cures or treatments for this. No one should go on suffering with this, at minimum guys with pfs should at least be taking arimidex (as you have estrogen effects, as needed). CDnuts lowered estrogen and induced his own dht and stimulated his own 5ar repeatedly after 4 years of recovery. I don't want to wait 4 years, and I want to have everything normal and working in the meantime.
i for one wouldnt mess around with any hormone diy protocols after my experience with progesterone,a few weeks of dabbing a tiny amount of cream on my skin fucked me right up,my eyesights never been the same since,it brought on sides i didnt previously have,so anyone saying you’ve got nothing to lose by trying this that or the other is talking shite,you could end up a lot worse off by trying diy protocols,be very careful what you take,id like nothing better than for jqd’s protocol to be the one,what id give to feel some sexual electricity,ive been dead in that department for 7 years and seem to be getting worse,id like to hear from the people who are trying thisif they exist???..
I realise that this isn’t acceptable to a lot of people on the forum, but I really believe that the studies will generate a lot of useful information. I know that it’s considered deeply unacceptable with a range of members here, but I think that research from Harvard and Baylor will yield valuable information on what is happening with this condition. I also read on the PFS Foundation website that there are more studies planned later this year. This is our best chance. People are not happy about science and reason, but this is our biggest shot.
Far from being vicious. Just pointing out, quite reasonably I might add, the inconsistencies in your theories and arguments. Also, the idea that you can’t raise low T without drugs is also bunk. Strength training, diet, and lifestyle changes have been shown to increase low T. In fact, as I understand it, some doctors will encourage you to make these sorts of lifestyle changes before prescribing T. Dr Jacobs makes a good living prescribing hormones and suggested that if I don’t respond to clomid that I should go on TRT. I’m sure he’s all in favor of this, more business for him. I don’t know what his true motivations are but this is the impression I got from him. Hope I’m wrong.
He was posting on my thresd not that long ago about male prostitues in his drunk enough stupor. Look, I reversed this, don’t know why I’m still arguing with you two, lots of guys have messaged me for my help. I’ll share what I know with them and the two im working with. I think like CDNuts I’m posting and taking off, you guys want to live in this hell and negativity go for it, I’m out. Maybe I’ll be back and maybe not, I’m going back to live life.
Done arguing with you two, I hope Finbasteride’s protocol of xanax and booze works and yours of diet and exercise works (which most of us already do).
Later
And as for you 2 moe and Larry, I got more messages coming on the forum than I can read, have you noticed no one is posting against me but you 2? Ever wonder where everyone else is? Lol
Ok so I’m trying to go through my private messages and there are more than I can read, why don’t you guys post your questions here and then my answers will help everyone? I know you want to be private but I am not getting paid for this and I have my business to run lol. I’m not dr Jacobs who gets $500 a phone call lol. I won’t accept any money either but I have to optimize my time, so please post your questions here and ignore the 2 douche bags and I’ll help you guys.
Thanks
It’s good that you are getting lots of messages. I’m glad there are others here that want to take the plunge with this. That way we can get even more data from their own experiences with this protocol. I am truly hoping that it works for them, because if it doesn’t then this could be a huge blow to their morale and health to say the least. Quite frankly, if you had just come here and said that you’ve been messing around with a new experimental protocol and that after several changes you’ve found something that works great, I think few would have found fault with this. Again, I’m hoping your right about this so that I also don’t have to keep up this spartan diet and exercise in order to possibly recover in 4 years time, in which of course there is no guarantee. You should have expected some skepticism, especially with such bold claims (whether or not they are scientific). I wish you luck and I hope that in the long run that this new protocol does in fact allow for a real and permanent recovery, without the need for a lifetime of injections and pills.
Bizzbee, if you disagree you don’t have to post here, you can start your own thread with your own protocol, I think attacking me is wrong. I also have received private messages from guys improving from my concepts and protocols!!! Not fucking posting though, so I find that really rude. Leave me here to look like an idiot fighting 2 guys and no one posting just private messaging me. So if you guys out there want my help anymore, you need to come here and post your experiences both good and bad. Just because you don’t like the negativity doesn’t mean you should leave me to fight alone. Also I don’t have the time to respond to email after email while dr Jacobs gets paid. So the best I can do is respond here, one of your questions can probably answer 10 others. I think it’s a bit selfish to lurk and not post and then pm expecting private answers. I can understand why bizzbee and Finbasteride doubt me when no one is posting!!!
So my reply to posts from now on is going to be the same, ask your question here and post your experiences, I’ll be happy to publically answer your questions here. This will make it so I’m not here posting and being attacked looking like a fool and a liar with no one posting in support of me.
Thanks!
Guys going on prop and never coming back is messed up, if you get better please post to help the non believers. I’m tired of Finbasteride calling me a false prophet, next I’ll be crucified by Finbasteride and bizzbee, where are my followers?
That’s fine by me. I won’t post here to challenge your ideas or be skeptical or raise any doubts, although this is what intelligent people do. Whether or not your method works for others, as it does for you, I’m sure this will be borne out soon enough. Best of luck!
for the record I’m on JustQuit’s side…he’s the only dude that has seen some serious improvement and can quit n walk away but wants to help us and for that I tip my hat…even if by some chance he could be wrong. but his protocol looks promising enough for me to want to try it.
That being said
So is it your contention that our receptors are not damaged or ruined but Estrogen is the culprit and that your protocol will reverse this awful mess?
I want to see Jacobs again soon and try this protocol of yours?
Bizzbee, my ideas have been challenged enough, now it’s just attacking, I think it’s a waste of time,you are making it so people don’t want to post. I have several pm messages from guys not wanting to post due to the negativity, do you think that it’s helpful that you and Finbasteride are scaring people from posting positive results!!?? Your not helping anyone at all, let people be free to post and in time we will all see what works and what doesn’t. Creating an atmosphere where people are afraid of being attacked is only helpful to your ego. You aren’t doing anyone any favors, I have tons of pm messages to prove it. Have you noticed how quiet the forum has got? Only you and Finbasteride attacking me, that’s because every fucking person is following my protocol or trying and afraid to post and if they aren’t, they are friends with someone who is, that’s why you are the only 2 attacking me, no one else is even posting progress because you 2 have made this place such a negative environment, both of you guys should think that through, it’s true. I have responded to all pm messages that if they want their questions answered they must post here to help everyone so let’s wait and watch.
Yes, the problem isn’t with receptors at all, if it were we wouldn’t feel anything, it’s estrogen dominance on a neuro steroidal level. 5ar system is damaged and with not enough enzymes to reduce test to dht, the test is being aromatized, the estrogen is causing a signal to our system that we have too much test. In response our system is shutting down dht and 5ar and test. High estrogen comes from too much test being aromatized into estrogen.
Our bodies are acting like we are body builders on massive steroids, so in order to respond we have to lower estrogen and induce dht and stimulate 5ar most efficiently as possible. Many are using my theories with test boosters and arimidex as needed and getting results. I advise people to get the liquid form of arimidex called “liquidex,” so you can use smaller doses as needed. If you aren’t on exogenous test then you don’t need high doses of arimidex at once, smaller doses as needed will work better. 1mg at a time is if you are on injectable test propionate.
Eventually our system will recover in about 4 years it seems from recovery stories, my hope is this protocol will speed things up. If it doesn’t, at least we can live life in the meantime!
ok thanks man.
so with respect to a “damaged 5ar system” can the increase of the enzymes induced by test prop. override the damage and eventually not have to be on anymore? or is this a life time thing?
I really scared yet intrigued to try. I hope Dr. jocobs has nothing but good things to say about this and recommends it to me. I definitely need some repairing here
You’ve got to be KIDDING me! I’m simply a skeptic who wanted some open and honest debate. You’re being utterly ridiculous with this whole thing about people being “scared” to post. This is nonsense. When I posted the good results I had following my own method (which just happened to be very similar to chi’s and cdnuts) I didn’t get attacked, quite the opposite. People were curious to know how exactly I had done it and they were positive with their feedback. So for those of you out there who are quivering at very thought of posting your experiences through some online forum, please, you have nothing to fear, I won’t tear you to shreds with my inquisitive and thoughtful prodding. After all, its just an online forum not some fucking ancient arena where gladiators spar. This is utterly ridiculous…spare me the nonsense please.
