I really don’t see what the objective of finbasteride is, he has admitted on numerous occasions he doesn’t understand hormones, yet bizzbee, you endorce him for finding holes in my protocol? I’m
Helping people, many message me wanting help, only a few here are against me. No one has to do this, if you doubt it just wait, time will surely bring forth recoveries and people who don’t do it right or give up. no need to attack and bash, if you disagree fine, just give it time. I will tell you thoigh, I figured this out and being that it could be a long term thing, I would just like the right people to get my research. If I had this thread to read when I first got pfs it would have saved me 6 months of misery. Maybe some people will have 50% improvement and not 100%, but that’s better than anything anyone else has done. It worked for me, The principals are working for patient X1 who is still waiting on his prop to arrive. Patient x2 got his prop from Jacobs and will be starting when he gets it in a week or so. You will find out I’m sure in the near future. I’m not fighting anymore, I have to focus on these guys recovering and my own life. I will post new info as I get it, I think a lot is here to help others now. Let’s just wait, time will see this principal and protocol through, I have already heard from guys around the world starting it, so hopefully some will post. I’m too busy to follow up with people, I have spent too much time on this forum. I will try to post less as it is mostly arguing and I will post updates and progress when I have it. If I don’t post for a while I will eventually, now we just wait, I know I’m right though, I found a way to get test to work with pfs.
Imagine for a moment that I am correct, if I was some whack job, dr Jacobs wouldn’t be prescribing my protocol. You guys will not get out of this with a simple prescription and a pill at a certain time of the day, you have to regulate your own hormones till your system recovers. I found the easiest and simplest way to do that and posted it here. Remember, the less testosterone propionate you inject, the less arimidex you need. On 10mg every day or every other day, you won’t need anywhere near the doses I’m on. I should have been more clear, I’m trying to get my muscles as big as they were before pfs which is pretty big. My body right now is like an Olympic swimmer, I need more test to be bigger, more test means more arimidex. As for feeling normal, I think on 10mg of prop every other day you all will have a significant reversal. I actually feel 10mg daily is optimal, but before you know how much estrogen you will have to deal with, start out every other day for 1 month. If things are stable, then increase to every day, always make sure to counter any signs of estrogen (aka pfs crashes) with arimidex. It’s not so much the protocol as the principals, many guys here I see have understood my theories and are fighting this with supplements. I know that arimidex works with test boosters using these same principals, patient X1 has had success doing that while waiting for his propionate to come in. It’s just the natural boosters aren’t strong enough and so it’s just not enough, it may be for some of you, he has had improvements doing that, that’s better than nothing. I think we all by now agree that I am correct and this is estrogen, knowing that gives you a potent weapon which is knowledge. I know it’s a fact as I live by it and have already seen it demonstrated in others.
I will say that the most natural responses I have had that required the least arimidex were 10mg of propionate a day. I feel that is the magic number, every other day is how you should start and gradually go from there, my goals just have been to be really big again.
71 hours left before I see my Doc.
JQD I am afraid that I Could die when I try your protocol , because I Have thyroid issues , and high bloodpressure , I have to take meds because of this condition , furthermore do I live in a country which is equal to the healthsystem in britain what you mentioned a few posts ago . If it works for you it is fine but aren’t you afraid that you could also get cardiovascular disease by taking that high amount of steroids , you know like many sportsmen who died years after they took this stuff . best examples are the professionals in the time of the cold war.
Cdnuts only cycled PCT for 6 or so weeks after each DHT prohormone cycle, not constantly. He did only 4 or so rounds of this. The other stuff he took, so called t-boosters, are not really proven as effective test boosters with the possible exception of Tongkat ali, probably more for energy. Most of the recoveries come about without the aid of synthetic hormones. So you say cdnuts was using powerful hormones but that these held him back…so what was it that made him better exactly? Was it the prohormones or was it not the prohormones? It’s like your in some kind of mental tussle with yourself.
After 4 years of recovery he induces his DHT with PCT cycles, I have been dealing with this stuff for years, you are mildly familiar with it, I was using PCT's long before you had PFS or I had PFS or you ever heard of this forum. They are very potent and can induce as much testosterone as an injection in some cases. I am not going to keep explaining myself over and over, you just can't understand what I am saying, Dr Jacobs does though. However, for this reason I won't be posting much anymore, I have to focus on progress and the guys I am helping, arguing with the 2 people on here who are rude when there are 100 who want my help is a waste of time.
Most people do not post here and recover or do better and never post a word, I have heard from them, one even posted on this thread, scroll back and read, his name was YUP or something. No one wants to post here because of the insults and viciousness, me included, so you just will scare away any chance of ever learning more about this.
I already explained myself, not going to do it again, his DHT pro hormones were suppressive, but the PCT protocols helped him recover, but without those 4 years of recovery time it may not have occurred. I am reversing this with hormones and drugs and inducing a short recovery. When your body is converting most test to estrogen, diet and exercise will not do much, I am in exceptional shape before, during and after this condition, it doesn't have any effect.
This isn't something that occurred from being out of shape or unhealthy, your body is confused and thinks your testosterone is too high because you aren't reducing your test to DHT properly and it is being aromatized which tells your body your test is too high. I am not explaining it again, if I didn't know my shit Dr Jacobs wouldn't be prescribing my protocol already, argue with him.However you want to do it man, so long as you understand what is going on, but finasteride damaged the 5AR system and caused PFS which resulted in 5AR 1, 2 and 3 not being stimulated, 3 explains the neurological and ocular problems, if you have a better theory I am happy to entertain it, the only problem is mine has been proven true by stimulating the 5AR enzymes the neurological and ocular problems go away.
Its actually documented scientifically that fin blocks as well ar3 by a significant amount.
Not so much 5ar1, but still does it too.
I’m on bored with this. I’m waiting on a few more people to post positive exoerinces with taking armidex with testostetone, T boosters or good natural T levels.
I Don’t agree with how bizzybee is going about challenging you but this time I need to agree that cddnuts recovery/experience is not that consistent with your method. I say this because I have used “natural at boosters” such as trib and tongkat Ali for about the same amount of time now cddnuts did with out any improvements. Furthermore cddnuts did not use an AI such as armidex for any extended periods of time that he contributed towards his recovery.
Other than the androhard and " natural t boosters" cddnuts used a product called testistetone recovery stack that is marketed as a natural pct. Unfortunately I can’t agree that the Testosterone recovery stack had much in it that can reduce estrogen to the extent armidex can. I am also familiar with how the Testosterone stack consists of three diff products. There is nothibg In any of them that works as a strong AI.
Feel like I know us good enough to challenge this one thing you are saying with out it being a big deal but cddnuts recovery is really not consistent with your AI method.
I only know this because I studied his thread just as good as I have studied yours.
Don’t make statements you obviously know nothing about. Cdnuts used chrysin, which is an aromatase inhibitor and dim, which helps process out estrogens. I bet you didn’t cycle your supplements either huh? Also, the test recovery stack -does- contain an anti estrogen. Sustain alpha/res100 contains resveratrol, one of the metabolites is a potent anti estrogen. - ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23465317
Sorry to appear hostile, but I’m sick of people who don’t understand the methods attempting to dismiss them. Especially when they weren’t following the protocol properly. At all. I’ve been having very good results following cds methods.
Finbasteride do you have any better protocol? No.
Im waiting to hear if mr x mr y are recovering. If theyre not, ask mew to close the thread. Its that simple. No need to argue.
And i have respect any men who try to fix it at this point. Unless theyre a bunch of c.andida shit.
5 alpha, I don’t endorce CDnuts recovery, I didn’t make myself clear, add 4 years of natural recovery into the equation and then constant stimulation of the 5ar system with pct cycling, that’s my point. My protocol hits the 5ar system directly and induces dht and keeps estrogen low. I’m not sure CDnuts method will ever help anyone, but stimulating dht with pct cycling (after 4 years of recovery) may help. My point is that that is a separate argument, that my protocol could lead to recovery, my protocol is designed to reverse pfs, recovery is a theory, but not the point.
Depressed guy, he does have a better protocol, xanax and booze every hour till he gets messed up and comes on here and attacks the one person that’s trying to help. It’s not like I’m a quack of dr Jacobs is using my protocol now on pfs guys. He is just a bad apple, most are all for me, I want you to recover too as well as finbasteride. Maybe he has driven himself nuts who knows, he does have moments of sobriety and sometimes every once in a while seems like he isn’t drugged up, mostly he is just high and abusive.
It’s helping me, bro. Cycling T boosters stimulates test, Dim/Chrysin to control estrogen. Exercise to boost muscle and maybe synthesize new 5ar2 enzymes. (New muscle tissue = more, new enzymes imo) It’s similar to your protocol in ways you haven’t really considered. Also, you’re missing the point of the dht prohormones. Check this out: press.endocrine.org/doi/abs/10.1 … m-56-2-320
I think of it like this. Dht = increased 5ar2, after cycling, the quicker you boost test, the more of those enzymes survive. Proviron, masteron etc aren’t real dht whereas androhard reduces to dht via a different enzyme pathway. Make sense?
Androhard is just a prohormone version of dht man, I have it and tried it, I have been keeping my dht active via various methods and protocols since this struck me. When I started down the dark road of dht, I started with androhard, it was great at first as it was putting more dht in my system and my own dht and that dht was giving me optimal levels to kill estrogen so my system didn’t shut down and could reduce test to more dht. The only problem was like all dht with this condition, as every day passed my estrogen spiked, my own dht dropped as it was being shut down, I needed more anti estrogens. You haven’t been keeping your system active. I have, I notice these things, also, I’m glad you understand my principals and are following them. The only thing I must point out is that you are in fact using powerful steroids, I have those here and they are just as powerful as medical grade. They just convert to steroids in your liver so they are legal before hand. There is no natural production of dht by andro hard, it’s a series of chemicals that when metabolized create dht, it’s not your own, it’s synthetic dht, don’t be fooled by the fact that it’s a prohormone. You don’t understand what that means, andro hard isn’t reducing anything to dht, it’s being metabolized by your live and creating dht out of the chemicals in the pills. That’s how prohormones work, very hard on the liver, it’s no different than taking proviron, only it is weaker and more harsh on the liver, I have experimented with both btw, so I know what I’m talking about. I do believe stimulating 5ar receptors is going to help you recover, so you are on the right path, it’s just interesting that you are so afraid of hormones, but are taking them because they are in pill form. The only purpose of a prohormone design is so that it is not illegal, otherwise they would use the final product.
You misinterpret me. I haven’t used androhard yet, although I do have a bottle. I didn’t say I was “afraid” of steroids either. I said androhard breaks down into real dht, not a derivative or metabolite of dht like proviron, masterone etc which may not stimulate 5ar2 like the study states bioindentical dht does. Epiandrosterone/androsterone breaks down into real dht, the real deal, 100% identical to our own therefore according to the study, it stimulates 5ar2. So flooding the system with real dht, then picking up the test production before it gets shutdown would = more enzymes.
I thought his is something you should all read before placing yourself in the online care of a completely unqualified person who is reccomending drug doses far in excess of their theraputic range. I m not giving jqd a hard time for no reason other than bad consequences often arise from taking online medical advice…
That’s all.
Here is a post by user westside regarding taking online advice regarding self treatment. Just backing up my above statements with some evidence. Something jqd never does.
"If you want to learn something from my experience learn this. All the additional setbacks I’ve had over the years have been because of things I’ve used to try and fix myself. After my initial crash I was an 8 out of 10. I’ve come onto this board over the years and tried things I’ve read on here. All they have ever done is consistently have the opposite effect intended. Creatine, maca, etc all these things I’ve added to the mix out of desperation from this board have consistently made me permanently worse.
It makes me mad and concerned when I see people on this board who have been here for a mere few months coming on here proclaiming to people they found the cure and recommend to everyone to start taking this or that. They say things like “why not try it we’ve got nothing to loose”. Yes you do have something to loose, you have no idea the depths that are there.
Start eating right going for walks in the sun. Quit alcohol, caffeine, masturbation any stimulants or drugs. Guys here feel the need to take this and try that out of desperation to get better. I’ve been there and trust me that’s not the path to healing. Our bodies are overwhelmed and struggle to maintain basic healthy functions. Adding things to our already overworked systems will fuck you up."
He claims to be 1.5 out of 10 now.
Here is the link
viewtopic.php?f=26&t=9777&hilit=worsening
You will find many like it just by punching in “worsening” into the search engine.
Finbasteride, can you please explain why dr Jacobs is prescribing my protocol and how me reffering people to dr Jacobs to try my protocol equates to your nonsense? You don’t contribute anything to this forum but drugged up and vicious rants. I wonder how many suicides you have caused? I am over caring about you, when someone’s drug problem and negativity affects potentially thousands of people reading this, I must stand up for what is right. If you think you know more than a neuro endocrinologist that studies and treats pfs, be my guest and enlighten us how dr Jacobs is wrong for prescribing arimidex 3x a day with test propionate??? You seem to leave that part out of your latest attack.
Can anyone here explain to me the root of why this guy is so against a treatment that can help people with this condition that is being prescribed by dr Jacobs? I don’t get it, it’s like he doesn’t want anyone to get better, anyone ever wonder if Finbasteride is even real or working for Merck? Think about it, a treatment that is working and he is so dead set against it, plus is drunken drugged up rants constantly. Who would waste their time coming on here to trash treatments for a rare condition approved by a doctor? I am suspicious of him even being real, we have seen him make up stories and tell ridiculous lies. This is the last time I acknowledge his presence, I am no longer going to even read Finbasteride’s posts.