The Baylor study has produced 2 suicides. Not the best track record for hope. Beyond hormones what is there to treat? Guys want to argue that this is not Brian/CNS/AR damage. What else could it be if hormones don’t work? Where is the hope in this? The study scope is to prove the condition is REAL. We know its real! They aren’t even going to fight to have the drug removed. We are all paying to have a study to help Merck continue to sell this drug in a “safer way”. Or to support some pointless class action lawsuit? I highly doubt that Daniel cared about a lawsuit. Who knows if he even tried anything to get better at all? Or did he take you all on face value that there is noting that can be done? All my hormone tests are low. Should I ignore that? Give up and die?
Yea and only Dr Jacobs a top NeuroEndocrinologist agrees with me, look dude, if you want to rot and shrink and waste a way go for it, be my best, but don’t discourage others who want to actually recover. Feel free to diet and exercise and turn into an old woman, but you don’t have to read my thread, you can go post in the Parasite thread or the thread about gut theory.
It is easy to mock someone taking months of protocols out of context, what you fail to leave out is that during all those protocols I was always on hormones, always on the same course, always evolving my hormonal protocol till 3 months ago when I had PFS in reverse via hormones.
As I said, Dr Jacobs agrees with what I have to say, if you think he is also a liar, then I advise you to read other threads, maybe your of is caused by parasites or something, I am sure you have everyone’s best interest at heart. Trashing my protocols and any attempt at people to get better, when my protocol is one one of the few doctors studying this agrees with.
You just want to trash everyone and everything, just like others here, I don’t see the point, but what you don’t realize, is I have found a treatment and I have reversed this, and by posting this you are fighting against someone who has reversed PFS and is trying to get that message out. I urge you all, not to allow these people to blind you, I won’t be here for too long, fighting with these few bad apples is weighing on me.
I need to go on with my life soon anyway, but what I will do is make sure the person I am working with gets better once his propionate comes in so he can also post and then these assholes will stop.
Mcibofh, if your hormone tests are saying that there is something wrong then surely a doctor will advise you to try a treatment, then if treatment works… you are saved and don’t have to deal with this anymore. The problem occurs when the levels all come back normal, yet the person continues to have the symptoms that have been discussed on this site for years and years. The usual route is that they are described as having a psychological problem. The ‘it is all in your head’ dismissal. That is the situation with many of the guys on here. Or they try a treatment and do not find any improvements. So, the step towards producing any type of real solution is surely to first confirm that the problem is real and not ‘all in your head’.
Oh yea MCI, this guy’s got great advice, let’s go back to the old method, blood tests, strict blood tests, let’s make sure it isn’t in your head, you know you could be imagining this whole thing. Forget that one of the top Neuro Endocrinologists in the world, a foremost expert in PFS agrees with me, Gelhead has it figured out, blood tests, strict blood tests, then perhaps, diet and exercise, and maybe in 6 months if you don’t kill yourself and you figure out if it isn’t in your head, you can try a colon cleanse lol.
You know, these guys got it figured out, I mean look how well they are doing, they are only transforming into women! Forget reversing this, let estrogen set in, breasts can be managed, well, hell, once your estrogen kills off the rest of your testosterone you will feel absolutely nothing, so then you don’t have to worry.
That’s Gelhead’s advice lol
Once I have 1 recovery posted here from someone, the rest of you can follow and leave this forum behind, this forum is where all hope is lost, I saw a kid come here with low testosterone caused by finasteride and state he was killing himself. A young kid didn’t want to try hormones, didn’t think they would work, all he had was low test.
“All Ye who enter, abandon all hope.”
Forget these negative people, they are almost women, the estrogen has gotten to their brains, being a man again I can see that.
UPDATE FROM DR JACOBS: Just got an email from Dr Jacobs, he is so impressed with my protocol and progress, he wants to see my blood work, will keep you guys apprised.
Why bother. You dismiss blood tests as useless. Also get these two other “reversed” guys to post. Please don t say they wish to remain annonymous. A few days ago you said it was one guy who wanted anonymity and a second who would post. Now its 2 who wish anonymity and a third who will post. I simply cannot believe two men who were suffering badly will not come and corroborate your story. If so they are two of the most selfish cunts alive. In my experience pfs sufferers never are as they know the adversity of this condition.
When I ordered aromasin you were still raving about it. So don t talk more shit about you warning me.
Despite your disbelief of blood tests you are no doubt going to shell out another 5 hundi on Jacobs consult plus tests. Strong logic bro. Strong logic…
I already explained myself, you are welcome to think I am a liar all you want man, but I have no reason to lie, the person I have discussed who will be revealing himself is waiting for his propionate to arrive. As soon as he is on it and feeling better he said he will post. The other 2 guys do not want anything to do with the forum, one I happen to know locally and the other guy was a lurker and said he doesn’t want to post here, he says everyone here is crazy.
Most guys who have this condition do not post, I never posted to a forum before I came on here, finbasteride, I don’t think you are a stupid guy. I think you are using way too much drugs and alcohol, you have moments of clarity and then you change and get really fucked up. If you are telling the truth and have propionate (which I find hard to believe) then all you fucking need is arimidex and you will be on your way.
You have no excuse not to try it, but I can’t see how you got testosterone propionate so fucking fast when everyone else is still waiting for theirs who ordered it long before you. I told you I would help you, I have been kind to you, if I reacted to Dr Jacobs the way you did to me because Aromasin didn’t work, what good would that do? I did tell him off once, got very upset with him, I can understand that, but I found something that is working.
The best thing I can do to prove it is wait for this very well known forum poster to go on propionate, so I am not going to be arguing anymore till he goes on it. I don’t believe you have it man, when he goes on it, he will be posting and then you will see. I have a feeling finbasteride that you ordered Aromasin and took that a lone and nothing else. I warned you it didn’t work, and using it alone or with propionate is counter productive.
I am not a psychic, I only learn by trial and error like everyone else, if you continue to attack me I simply will start ignoring you and never respond to you again, and when you see others getting better, you will regret that. It is too taxing on me to constantly argue with you and defend myself. So I probably won’t be responding to anymore negative posts on this forum again.
I and I imagine every other poster will find it inconceivableble that men who have been successfully treated refuse to take 2 mins of their time to help others by corroborating your story. It can be done completely anonymously. Your claims nor my personal and previous experience do not align.
Here is what all impressionable sufferers should do if they seek MEDICAL intervention into their condition.
- Take the extensive blood tests listed on this site.
- If you have hormonal imbalance pursue treatment
- Seek out a DOCTOR who will work to correct the imbalance.
- Be patient and keep in mind many before you have not responded to hrt.
- DO NOT seek treatment from an online self professed hormone guru.
- If you have well balanced basic hormones it is quite likely an unknown mechanism is in play. Hence the studies.
Finbasteride, all good advice, everyone is free to do whatever they want to do, you are free to do whatever you want, I am just here posting about my reversal of PFS with Testosterone Propionate and Arimidex and my working with Dr Jacobs. I am posting to help others here, you are free to not believe me or disagree with me, more power to you man, I don’t care anymore.
This is a fine piece of advice…for those who don’t have this condition. Only a few doctors in the world will even recognize this as a problem, the ones I have been to have simply turned me away with the exception of Jacobs. So when someone comes here on this forum and says he cured himself doing such and such (i.e. cdnuts, chi, etc…) I will listen, doctor or no fucking doctor. Shit, if we were to take this guy JQD at his word then he is already relying on a doctor for some guidance. When someone says they have been able to reverse this going on three months now, then I will listen. You have a point though finbasteride. JQD, if you’re going to make such claims you will eventually need to deliver. We’re patient, we can wait. The naysayers need to give this a rest for a while and just wait.
Don’t worry, as I said, a VERY WELL KNOWN and NEGATIVE poster here is getting on this protocol, I have made friends with him and am guiding him. He is responding to Arimidex normally as I did, 50% of the protocol, now we are just waiting on the propionate to come in. My plan is that when he is reversed he will come on here and everyone will then believe one way or another. That is how I will prove it to the forum, talking is just to help people who want to follow me, but this guy is well known here and will post.
Also, as I said, I am working with Dr Jacobs, he agrees with what I am doing, I can only share my knowledge and experiences and hope that others will follow. Eventually people will start reporting back, I suspect plenty are waiting for their propionate to come in, in a few weeks to a month we will have all sorts of reports on here.
Chances are the aramasin\exemestane you guys are getting is either extremely underdosed or most likely just bunk. I have been in the ordering black market gear online for 15+ years. When it comes to aromasin…liquid research companies are likely selling you bunk shit. Anastrozel is usually real and dosed more accurately when it come to research chems.
My sex drive is starting to over take me though, and I will eventually go off on the prowl lol, when that happens I just may not care anymore, it already is happening. So that is why I am documenting as much as I can so that when I do go off others can at least follow what I did. I am on propionate 30mg a day now, having even needed any arimidex today, doesn’t mean I won’t later, but have needed less every day. Also am on hcg 500iu twice a week now, seem to be tolerating it ok.
The person I am helping has to choose to come on here and tell you all, I have no doubt he will, he is a very active member here, but like CDnuts, I simply can only post my simple protocol and recovery. I am so far the ONLY reversal and recovery with testosterone and an AI I have seen, because of the type of testosterone (propionate).
I am a young single good looking successful and smart guy with girls circling like sharks (no joke), eventually my libido will overtake me. The only reason I have not already gone off is because I have grown to care for the people here and the nightmare I went through changed me. Before I figured out what these crashes were, I became traumatized by getting better and then getting estrogen dominance (aka pfs crashes) and that fucked me up.
So while I am recovering and fully reversed, I must accept that reality which is taking some time, I am not the same person I was before PFS. I have changed, I think for the better, tragedy changes us all, we all evolve from it, it is not my first tragedy, had one with a family member in the past.
If you knew me personally, people who know me would NOT be surprised that I would find a treatment or cure for a disorder, I am known for doing remarkable things my whole life. My parents knew I would solve this, I will give up my own life and consume myself with something till I solve it. My brain can become hyper focused on a problem like you can’t imagine, I alienated friends due to my obsession with finding a solution to this.
There was a time I thought I would end up a crazy old man consumed with finding a solution to this, bizzbee, I have already delivered. The person I am helping and others here who are following me will come forward (like the followers of CDNuts). All you need do is wait, some will get it wrong and screw up, but others will do it right, and eventually 1 recovery after another will follow. I have no doubt the person I am working with will not come and post, he is very active here and says he would after he is sure the protocol works (so as not to give false hope).
Always best to get pharmacy grade SERBS and AI’s. I just had another round of blood wook. Test had dropped into the 700’s. Estrogen and DHT results were not back yet but there was one thing different this time. MY TSH was 5.4. I’m a bodybuilder. Been natural for the last 5 years or so. My TSH IS ALWAYS MORE LIKE 1.2- 1.9. I WAS NATURALLY A SKINNY KID MY WHOLE LIFE AND been very lean and muscular since I was about 18. Been living a healthy lifestyle in terms of nutrition and exercise my whole life. Now I have been having those nights where I wake up with trembles and accellerated heart rate. Last month and a half my hairs been falling out like crazy and I feel weak and my joints have been killing me. I am very freaked out by this high TSH result. First time there’s been something off in my bloodwork. Hypothyroidism also shows all our same symptoms. And I have been reading and researching and One of the leading causes of hypothyroidism in usually healthy men is none other than estrogen dominance. This is often true for women as well. Often women are put on med for hypothyroid med when really it’s their high estrogen that should be treated. Seriously guys. Hypothyroidism makes people crazy. Just talk to some woman that have it. We are alot like them. I really think JQD IS right that this is an estrogen dominance problem. Which will cause so many problems for us in the long run. It’s just finding the best way to treat it and control it. And I for one solute JQD for trying to find what that is. I will be trying some similar things soon. Also progesterone and estrogen have to be in perfect harmony or you will have estrogen dominance. Even if estrogen is in range. …if progesterone is low than you will have estrogen dominance side symptoms. Hormones are so delicate
Respect just like CDNuts I don’t believe anybody yet has applied his protocol over at least 2 years yet people on here say it doesn’t work… People once said you would never go to the moon too…!
Thanks JDQ… I hope your protocol will be faster than CDnuts… … I have alot of respect for Mew and anybody else who’s had this syndrome for along time. … very inspiring
This. This is sense and reason.
I’m not sure what planet you are on at times.
At no point have I ever promoted anything like colon cleansing or anything along those lines, or anything other than backing work of the PFS Foundation and scientific studies.
I forgot to tell you guys, I probably didn’t mention that this protocol may take 2 to 3 weeks to start working depending on your dht activity. Dht has to be induced by propionate and build up to optimal levels in your system. During this time you will need to use more arimidex than you will when your dht is optimal. Dht has a 5 day half life, so every day you induce dht it builds up in your system and eventually you will reach optimal levels which will start regulating estrogen and you will need less arimidex as this occurs. You have to learn to understand what estrogen feels like, any pfs crash like symptoms is estrogen and means you need arimidex. You have to help your system out by manually regulating your estrogen with arimidex till your system starts killing off estrogen with dht.
So don’t expect to reverse pfs overnight, some of you will notice improvements within a day or 2, others it may take 1 to 3 weeks. Whatever you do, don’t ever use aromasin ever! As I stated many times, it is suppressive of this condition.