Howdy Gents…As the positive fellas on here say, let’s just keep this thing positive. Check this out, interesting short read on Arimidex. I don’t know if JQD got his dosing for Arimidex from here, but it’s similar to what he is saying.
I actually dose as needed, in order to learn to control your estrogen think of arimidex as xanax, anytime you feel panic, anxiety, and all the estrogen effects that come along, take a small dose and wait an hour. I suffered with anxiety for years on finasteride, if only I had known.
I Suggested the dosing of 4x a day as I figured most here would not understand what I’m talking about so it’s a good measurement to keep things under control. I do advise you to keep the test propionate low at 10mg every other day or every day till you figure out what your body can handle.
Not sure if i mentioned that I also workout regularly and eat a healthy diet, of course that is recommended to all. You will respond better to hormones with exercise I feel and others agree who have gone on them. My recovery is slow but progressing and when I say recovery I mean my response to test propionate every day gets a little better.
I also decided to start adding hcg 500iu a week to my protocol, so far I’m tolerating it well, but I advise you guys to stick to my original protocol. Some Mavericks here may want to follow everything I’m doing so I’m posting it. I do notice a surge in dht every time I inject hcg, that has been the case since i got pfs. However, hcg is very estrogenic so don’t over do it. Start out simple with just the arimidex and propionate, don’t over complicate things. Just for the Mavericks like me who want to keep going. I’m a hit it hard kind of guy, so keep in mind I like to hit things hard, that’s how I got into this fucking mess with avodart clearing up my skin.
Thought I could have my cake and eat it with testosterone but no acne lol, little did I know. Now isn’t this ironic fellows, I am losing strands of hair. Is this karma? Is this how we are to accept our hair loss? For us to be happy when it occurs? Extremely ironic, my hair transplants grew in and I have a nice full head of hair, much better than I expected.
All the money I spent on this I could have transplanted every last hair from the sides of my head to the top lol, but right now I have a full head of hair. I was thinking today, if God wanted me to accept my hair and my oily skin, I could think of no other way than to go through this nightmare.
I wanted to add, I have been meaning to give progesterone a try as an AI, any guinea pigs out there want to try something different? Try propionate with progesterone daily as an AI, I know it works, I just don’t have progesterone, I’m going to order some.
So far so good, my 5ar enzymes are really kicking up, oily skin is a sign only of them and so My system is coming around every day. I really think the homostasis theory of altering neuro steroidal ratios is true. I think I may fully reverse this condition (from within) this way down the line.
I want to add that working out is important as lower body workouts definitely increase 5ar and dht and help as well. I believe within 6 months to a year my system will reverse the damage and I will not need a pfs protocol, either way, I look forward to you guys reversing the pfs symptoms with this protocol so you can live your lives while you recover.
If I recall correctly Dr. Jacobs may use clomid for his treatment protocol. Although this is at odds with JQD’s, I am not so sure Dr. Jacobs would deviate from his own protocol just to placate an actual patient that he is seeing, this is tantamount to malpractice. He has to give his own stamp of medical approval. I’m sure they have reached an understanding on this new, untested protocol and he has given him the go ahead. Perhaps he will start to treat others this way as well if the results are supposedly this good as it is in JQD’s case.
You aren’t a body builder, stop thinking like a normal person, you aren’t a normal guy with a normal system. If you are on testosterone you need those levels of arimidex, otherwise you can wait years to recover naturally maybe you will or maybe you won’t, but at least you won’t have taken too much arimidex!
Friend, low estrogen will never be an issue for a guy with pfs on testosterone period… If I could find a way to damage my estrogen producing system partially I would have this condition resolved for good. The problem is the estrogen dominance, and the best AI out aromasin, is counter productive to our condition because it’s a dht steroid and suppressed our dht.
Arimidex is the only thing that works without the consequences, remember this isn’t forever, you will get better every day.
If you are doing well with the current protocol why would you want to add the progesterone? Just stick to this right now and report results. Yes, I think of you as my guinea pig. Hope you’re not offended.
That’s right, remember that dr Jacobs is a doctor in New York of all places, he is so fucking restricted, a patient like me experimenting and using new protocols he has to be careful. The point is he agrees with what I’m doing and told me I am teaching him things. If I were a doctor I would think aromasin should be used too, but I have pfs and I had fears it would suppress my system like proviron or masteron. I ignored those fears and jumped right in, I’ll try anything! Why not? Got nothing to lose, but I did have something to lose, my recovery, so I’m warning you guys not to go on aromasin. Stick to arimidex, I’m sure dr Jacobs won’t use aromasin again after I told him what happened. I have already proven to him my ability to sense my hormones and correct them is correct based on my exceptional blood tests and ability to modulate my hormones perfectly. You guys don’t need blood tests, how you feel is the best test, when you feel great your hormones are great. I studied hormones for years, I am an advocate of them, for me to suffer this, is the worst punishment as I have changed many people’s lives with hormones (including my dad’s). When he went to the hrt doctor his levels were of a 21 year old guy.
There aren’t studies going on on treatments for this, there isn’t research, all there is is us, and this forum, and a couple doctors (Goldstein and Jacobs), that’s it. So you can experiment and follow me, or you can suffer and waste away your life waiting for something that may never come. Most guys who get fucked from finasteride get low test which is treatable by hormones, that’s why the hrt industry exploded in the usa, thanks to finasteride im sure. Most UK guys here just have low t but their country is way behind the us so they have no hrt doctors to go to I don’t think.
You all must find within yourselves bravery and strength and the ability to rise above your situation and fight this. It can be fought and defeated, remember that for each of you who gets better, you aren’t just helping yourself, you may save a life of the next guy who needs help. Friends, you aren’t just ginea pigs, you are heroes, and heroes take risks. Though, I’m not sure what the risks are of testosterone and arimidex lol, but it sounds so much grander if it’s said that way!
Remember bizzbee, I have had this in reverse for 3 months via the same principals, I’m merely looking for more effective methods. I have decoded the pfs crash as all estrogen and it can be stopped and reversed. Now that that’s out of the way nothing is left to go wrong, but I don’t plan on changing anything anytime soon. I just know progesterone is a good AI and I also know it has helped pfs sufferers (only they had no idea why they had short term recoveries then it got worse). It was just lowering their estrogen and then they suffered other issues by not using it right.
I don’t plan to change things, maybe in another month or so we will see how I do and I may try it out, I know praying to heal had success using it to control estrogen, that makes me interested.
I don’t mind being a guinea pig, I really would rather be a guinea pig than suffer with pfs waiting for a treatment that may never come.
To be honest based on my conversations with dr Jacobs, it seems he is interested in learning how things show on blood tests with propionate. Remember he never heard of it before me and he said it could help other patients with other similar problems. Anything I can do to help him learn more about this I’m happy to. I figure maybe he can build on what I have come up with and make something better who knows. I do think I am the end though, if I know more than he does about how to treat this, I can’t imagine anything coming from him better. It’s what isolates me and makes me feel sometimes with a heavy weight on my chest, I have a duty and obligation to make this known and help you all so that as a collective we can help each other.
All I can suggest is get your estrogen under control even if you don’t follow what I’m doing, it’s the most important thing and don’t use aromasin or dht.
Hello Justquitdut, I was only trying to advice anyone to double check everything you said before start something, maybe you know a lot of the stuff as you said, I just dont want anyone to follow your advice without double checking like we did when we started propecia following our doctors advice without double checcking (at least was my case) because our desesperation with falling hair.
This time they shouldnt try stuff that can worse their status without knowing what they are doing. Thats is what I try to mimic your protocol by creating testosterone naturally and supressing estrogens “naturally” (brocolli, vitamin E, …)
Im in my 2 1/4 year anniversary since I left the drug, and Im better and better… but Im looking of course of ways to maximize the recovering, and maybe include enhance my pre-pfs performance!
Belikewater
I wanted to report my extraordinary response to propionate this week alone, remember that in the past I was on test enanthate and using HGH to mitigate estrogen by regulating 5ar and reducing test to dht. I used propionate to boost dht not knowing these crashes were estrogen at the time. The only thing I knew was HGH stopped them, I thought it was low dht or something. After that I went on proviron with enanthate and using propionate to boost my dht, then masteron, then aromasin. I regulated my estrogen with arimidex as soon as I figured out these crashes were estrogen and arimidex worked.
So after my system recovered from the suppression of my dht by aromasin, I have been on just propionate alone and while I have had my condition under control for 2 or 3 months now, I am getting by more normally than ever. The propionate alone is extraordinary for this condition, just as I had theorized, it kicks in hard inducing a lot of dht (which has a 5 day half life remember), and just when I start feeling estrogen coming on as my 5ar enzymes slow down, the propionate’ short half life comes in, the propionate starts wearing off (which means the estrogen release wears off!!!). What is left behind is dht with a 5 day half life, over time the dht should build up and this should become easier and easier.
I have to update dr Jacobs of these findings, that as each day goes by on propionate I am needing less and less arimidex. What we need is a surge of testosterone each day that wears off, our compromised systems can’t do that. I suspect that guys who do have good testosterone with pfs will see that natural testosterone start to decline as they allow estrogen dominance to take hold.
What is important is how we feel, tests are not accurate as our levels change by the minute and day and week. Since I am regulating my endocrine systems with how I feel and with propionate, it seems that the neuro steroids are correcting. I firmly believe this is an issue with neuro steroids (which is why it doesn’t show on tests) and those steroids seem to be correcting with the correction of main steroids.
It seems my friends as the days go by I am getting better and better, this is extremely encouraging, I will of course keep updating. In 3 months of managing pfs living by the needle and pills like a drug addict, using my knowledge of hormones to not allow my dht to drop, I for the first time am finding that living normally and uncomplicated is a reality with this drug. I am working with someone well known here as I have mentioned before, I have chosen 1 person out of the masses due to him being well known and his negativity (so no one would doubt him) and his intelligence to understand what I explain.
I am extremely excited for when his propionate comes in so that he can come here and be the advocate of a treatment and possible cure for this curse. For those of you worried about hormones, there is no risk to hormones according to us doctors they actually may prevent prostate cancer. The view now is that estrogen is the cause of all cancers and that prostate cancer comes to men in declining age due to declining dht and increasing estrogen.
I would be more worried about allowing estrogen to wreak havoc on your bodies than anything else, so for the record, I understand why I’m getting better and better. My own dht is accumulating in my body. I will shout this from the mountain tops until this has been realized by others, I plan to write Jacobs tonight of my progress. I cannot let jaded people stop this information from getting out. I have graduated to 30mg of propionate a day, I have required about 2mg of arimidex a day (which I find low considering). I feel as time goes by I will need less and less. Perhaps one day I will be able to tolerate a longer acting testosterone ester again, if not, who cares!?
My precious protocols were way to complicated for anyone here to follow, but test propionate and arimidex and some hcg every week? Easy! the long half life of dht is something I had not considered in this protocol, that’s a long half life for any drug, so that means our own dht will keep building up and always overwhelm the estrogen. That’s been the problem with pfs all along, the estrogen as always overwhelmed the dht (at least on a neuro steroidal level).
And for those of you naysayers who may still remain, there is no such thing as a crash, I have been in perpetual estrogen dominance for the last 6 months keeping it at bay one way or another. So nothing bad or wrong can occur from here, estrogen isn’t going to rise and overtake me because I can counter it with arimidex. Testosterone doesn’t stop working, and I did for a few months also believe I was androgen insensitive, but it was just estrogen dominance. Yes understanding my theories(facts) and managing your condition with natural protocols is fine, your choice, just as long as you understand what’s going on in your body. That there is no such thing as a pfs crash, it’s estrogen dominance, and if you were androgen insensitive you wouldn’t have the effects of estrogen.
It’s ironic, my vanity got me into this mess and my vanity is getting me out, I was lowering estrogen with arimidex to get rid of water retention in my face and that’s how I figured this out initially lol.
I followed the protocol as jqd told me to aromasin and t prop. 10 - 20 mg per day. It did not work and now he claims aromasin is a hinderance. I shouldn t be suprised I suppose judging by his inconsistencies. He has however wasted my time and money with his “advice” and did not have the courtesy to tell me about aromasin.
Extremely disappointing and he has not apologized for misleading me.
Finbasteride…don’t worry at least you tried something yeah? It didn’t work so get back on your horse and try the arimidex now instead! We have to trial things remember this forum is the only help we have and fuck everyone else! Don’t hate on JQD for having the guys on trying this and advising what works he also posts what his new findings are…and we should be brave enough like yourself to experiment!
You have courage now try the arimidex and test pro! I am waiting to try this also…
His recovering and is posting on his improvements with or without different methods we should listen and be willing! We don’t have anything else…I myself am waiting to get on this as he suggests if all fails least I can say I’ve tried my heart out before I fucking kill myself!
Keep positive fellas I believe we all should recover if not its no use getting used to a life like this it’s not in my spirit to live like a complete fuck! But before then god helping us give this a go to the book first!!
I’m at a party what the fuck am I doing on this forum lol
C ya…ps all us guys are the bravest men in the world to go through this so remember that we can overcome if we come this far we can do anything
Finbasteride, I just emailed you back, I am sorry I get a lot of emails, I have stated numerous times not to take Aromasin, I am sorry but I had to figure that out on my own. Dr Jacobs told me to go on Aromasin, he put everyone on it, and he had no idea it was suppressive of this condition, I told you that many times here and you argued with me that it wasn't. You wouldn't accept that I told you Aromasin is suppressive and now you are complaining because it did to you exactly what I told you would happen.
There are posts here of you arguing with me that Aromasin is not suppressive, how can you say I did not tell you? I have been posting it for days, for like 2 weeks I think. If you actually have propionate that is great! All you need is Arimidex (which I said to buy along with Aromasin as I feared Aromasin was suppressive and wanted everyone to have both just in case)
The Arimidex controls the estrogen (which you guys call pfs crashes), I spent plenty of money on Aromasin bottles too, now I can never use them, look at it this way, at least I found out. NO ONE, NO FUCKING ONE would EVER have known Aromasin was suppressive, it has been recommended on this forum for YEARS. I believe it is even in the FAQ or something, the only reason I figured out it was suppressive is because unlike everyone else here, I have been stimulating my DHT for months and keeping it active.
When I started the "amazing" Aromasin, at first it was great, then I couldn't figure out why I needed more and more arimidex (I could feel the estrogen spiking), my muscles were shrinking, all the estrogen effects were coming. I asked Dr Jacobs originally if it was suppressive, I had feared it was, he didn't know and never checked and told me. I found out the hard way, you think you suffered? I have been suffering for months testing out treatments till I came to this protocol of Testosterone Propionate and Arimidex.
I am more than happy to help you finbasteride, but you must follow what I say, the protocol isn't going to change from testosterone propionate and Arimidex, because they are working amazing. If I find a better AI in the future I will post it, but I am having amazing success and have PFS fully reversed with this combo. So let me know what exactly you have and I will help you, it sounds to me like you don't have Testosterone propionate.
Taking Aromasin will shut down your DHT, but as soon as you stop it comes back in about a week, so Aromasin doesn't cause any damage, it just suppresses you. That's why no one has ever had any results on Aromasin and testosterone, I have NO idea why Dr Jacobs continues to prescribe it all these years with no results. I told him it is suppressive, he does listen, so I am sure he won't prescribe it to a PFS sufferer again.
So you wouldn't listen to me about Aromasin, now you learned the hard way, now you believe me, so now it is time to go on Arimidex 0.5mg 4 X a day first, space it out evenly. Continue the testosterone propionate as you are probably really shut down, but Aromasin just shuts everything down, I am really surprised Dr Jacobs didn't know that. I have already reversed PFS in 2 guys now with this protocol, neither will post here, 1 I am working in is waiting for his propionate, he is NOT taking Aromasin since I found out, thankfully he had just got it when I found out.
Calm down Finbasteride, you can reverse this very easily, you got the gear, just quit the Aromasin, stay on the propionate, give it a week and start the Arimidex, it will take a week for your system to start producing DHT and recover from the Aromasin, in another week from that you will start having reversal of PFS (maybe before).
If you want you can have my contact info and I will help you quicker, but you need to listen to me man, you were arguing with me about Aromasin!! Look, here finbasteride, here you are arguing with me how I am wrong about Aromasin, you were warned, but you didn't listen, you chose to argue with me instead and suffer exactly like I did, you were warned and corrected, you chose to not listen. Now dump the Aromasin and switch to Arimidex, and stop complaining, I am saving your fucking life. This protocol works, I spent a fortune, and my time to help you, you need to be patient.
You suffered with this for years I imagine, and you expect to be healed in 1 day? First you need to figure out the right test propionate dose, and the right arimidex dose, I am willing to help you, if you stop being stubborn and listen to me dammit. You are trying to rationalize how Aromasin is different from DHT, it is similar enough to DHT to kill estrogen like DHT, and also kill our DHT, it will take you 2 weeks to recover, keep using the propionate and switch to arimidex, but do not use the propionate without arimidex, you need arimidex to control the estrogen symptoms.
listen to me this time please, I believe before you tried the Aromasin I warned you, but you wouldn't listen.Finbasteride, stop fucking posting and telling people you tried my protocol and it didn’t work, that is utter bullshit, you tried Aromasin against my warnings, and argued with me that I was wrong. Even though you can be a real douchebag, I am trying to fucking help you, you will ruin this protocol for EVERYONE, mark my words. It works and so far 3 people and counting, me and 2 others, and a 3rd very well known guy here who will be posting once his propionate comes in. Now you have the propionate, are you going to do it the right way or keep crying like a baby? Do you have Arimidex?
Finbasteride, you have come on here high on xanax before posting very damaging lies about me which you later apologized for, I will not tolerate that again. So if you are playing one of your games, since it could endanger the lives of countless people I will make sure you I put a stop to you one way or another. If you are being sincere, get the Arimidex and do this the right fucking way, unless you want to suffer for the rest of your life. I just need to make sure this guy is telling the truth, he has a history of coming on here and spreading lies when he is high. I really want to help him, but we have to be careful with him, so please finbasteride be upfront and honest and listen to me ok?
Finbasteride, please PM me a photo of your testosterone propionate and Arimidex, you must have a fast shipper since everyone else is still waiting for their propionate to come!
JustQuitDut, you have previously posted about so many different medications and supplements, consistently claiming that each is working in some way or another. How anyone can trust your advice is beyond me.
There was tribulus.
Then maca powder.
Then asparugus … “but don’t forget that you need to eat it raw” …
Then there was testosterone shots.
Then estorgen manipulators.
I can virtually guarantee that a few weeks from now you will be harping on about your new ‘big development’. Lord only knows what it will be next. And no doubt your gullible followers will be desperately tagging along, squandering their hope and cash in a vain effort to regenerate whatever is left of their lives. Round and round the cycle goes, yet again.
Some people need to get fucking real.
Living with PFS
Step 1: Prerequisite
Accept the condition take on the impossible by being happy with it. Learn about overcoming adversity. Learn to be happy without sex. Become such a awesome person a girl will love you regardless because you never gave up on life. (My goal)
Step 2: Do a protocol
*CDnuts protocol (Consistently overtime may take some years)
*Justquits protocol
*Your own protocol
*Another protocol you may find on here
Nobody can say these protocols won’t work unless they do them exactly as laid out. Can’t trust people on the forum. Have to do it your self. Think for yourself.
Wait for the studies and do nothing. (Cowardly act) Regardless I will continue to learn to be happy just the way I am in the mean time because I have no choice. Everyday I’m depressed. Im a 25 year old virgin. Never had a girlfriend since 6th grade. I’m going out to the bars tonight not because to get laid because that’s not an option anymore. I don’t drink alcohol either. Sounds crazy but its true. Will I ever find a girl that will love me with impotence. YES… I have faith… I don’t see it but I believe it.
I will not give up on life. I will be an inspiration to millions one day. I forgive Merck. But I will do what I can do get this drug off the market someday. I pray for all the victims and other victims in this world including sex slaves, people paralysed from the neck down, starving children etc.
Do I know if CDnuts protocol will work? No I don’t know but I’ll eventually do it when I can. Hopefully JDQs works also… hopefully the studies find a cure but we have to be happy regardless somehow first cuz time is ticking. Must enjoy our lives. .
I eventually want to do a bunch of extended waterfast as well as paleo diet. For now I’m learning about adversity and lifting weights (deadlifts lunges bench press etc) Im severely depressed but I will find happiness regardless of this fucked up syndrome. Im not a quitter. I’ll die a painful death before I commit suicide. PFS will NOT take my life away.
I WILL WIN.