Final protocol 100% pfs reversal with dht therapy - lastpost

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#2466

With constant usage, ejaculatory effect diminished but erectile strength remained, i think in time dopamine receptors desensitized a little.

After 2 weeks drop out first dose was more effective than first dose of the first run.
I also got more sensitivity restored In second cycle with crazy reduction in refractory period.
I am afraid to test it long term because of nasty side effects on heart tissue if my doctor approves it i will return to it after atomoxetine.

After my cabergoline trial i got some persistent effects on brain dick connection.
It seems it is somewhat restored i can achieve partial erections with mind even without cabergoline.
While i was on cabergoline in relaxed state i can have full erections with imagination.

#2467

In third week i got somewhat restored brain dick connection with atomoxetine that was really unexpected for meā€¦ i thought increased noradrenaline will make me impotent but opposite happened. Yes, when under drug erectile function diminishes but after it wears off, i got increase arousal threshold and decent erectile function though it is not as good as cabergoline.
Unfortunately i had to stop treatment because unbearable fatigue and sleepiness, it was worse than aromasin at least aromatase inhibitor fatigue resolved in one week but this was going worse day after day.
I even taking breath makes you tiredā€¦

Weird thing is i noticed that if some compound makes me drowsy as a side effect it works good on libido or sexual functionā€¦

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#2468

Interesting observation.

#2469

Just to check here, do you have full blown PFS with complete sexual dysfunction?

With Aromasin are you saying it was able to completely restore your libido? by libido I purely mean the mental desire and pleasure of sex, nothing to do with erectile function etc.

So you managed to get back to a normal level of libido with only aromasin? Are you sure there was no placebo effect? Also can you remember how much you took and for how long? Also did you get the benefit during the drug or when you came off it?

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#2470

Well I never underestimated placebo effect but, first day i took the pill at night, later woke up normally by noon I went out then I noticed that I got extremely aroused by females around me, I couldnā€™t understand what happened then I remembered that I took the pill that night I met my girl as soon as I saw her I got full erection for half an our. Penile sensitivity retuned to normal immediately every touch caused pleasure, Latter day I was able to achieve 2nd orgasm after 30 minutes, before that I have to fast for sex for four days and have to take 20 mg cialis then may be I can have sex for half an hour and it was sufficient for me for weeks.

With ai primal male urge to sex have returned. Porn started to arouse me again, even I started to get aroused from normal women it was like second adolescence, unfortunately even that I have full control over my orgasms erectile effect was inconsistent some times I can come 5 times but with a very soft erection.

If it was placebo I expected that erections should be normalized tooā€¦ with dotinex cabergoline opposite has happened I got normal erections and ejaculatory function but pleasureless orgasmsā€¦ though I expected more reduced refractory period yet eventually I got improvements on that sides too but they were not like ai.

Also ai side effects were serious joint pains were incredible but libido gains let me to carry those effects for 6 months then mild jaundice happened and I quit from aromasin.

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#2471

This is a very long read with 2400+ posts. Anybody can tell me what happened with op? Did it work? Anybody else try it?

There are more reports that people recovered with Proviron. I have Kind of PFS for 15 years and it would be a miracle if I could at least enjoy the rest of my life. Itā€™s not fun to have a Libido every 4 weeks. Then you ejaculate and feel no desire for 4 weeks again.

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#2473

Yeah he recovered, but documented the rest of his journey on solvepfs. The website no longer exists. @mcibofh went a similar route to him using test, thyroid, corticosteroids etc.

#2474

I got my results here Got my blood results today 7/11

Testosterone and DHT are pretty normal/high. But I dont have this desire for sex that I had before Finasteride. I have to actively think about how to have sex with a nice woman and how it feels sliding in etc. Then I get some kind of libido. But I remember, before fin, it was enough to see a girl in a short skirt and my thoughts gone wild. Nowadays I can only achieve this desire if I had no orgasm for 3-4 weeks. Stop watching porn also helps a bit. Porn does not make me horny. But when I stop watching porn, I think the brain is missing something and I start to get a bit of libido.

I asked my doc today about Proviron. He was ready to prescribe it for me. But unfortunately itĀ“s not available in Germany anymore. So I have to see if I can get it in Turkey.

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#2475

Im looking forward to your Proviron experiment. Im from Turkey/Germany. In Turkey, you can buy Proviron without prescription in pharmacies. @Unknownuser

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#2476

Your post has been removed as it was in breach of our rules on prescriptive statements (please see here: https://forum.propeciahelp.com/faq#theories) but to address the part of it Iā€™ve quoted, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of some of the factors of this disease. PFS is not the absence or otherwise deficiency of androgens in the body (even though there is symptom overlap with hypogonadism) and many PFS patients present normal or unremarkable blood test readings. Contrary to conventional endocrinological wisdom, supraphysiological doses of androgens in PFS patients often produces no change or, conversely, a worsening in their symptoms. You can read more about this specifically here:

It is suspected that it is a problem with the androgen receptor, not androgen levels, in PFS.

#2477

Well brother in The end guy who started this topic agreed temporarily recovery with proviron but later he changed to testosterone plus anastrazole he claimed that this boosted his natural 5 alpha reductase through channeling more testosterone substrate to enzymeā€¦

Anyway when I picked up I only used aromatase inhibitors and got almost 100 percent recovery on sensitivity and crazy libido. (With heavy sides of course) after 6 months of almost normal life I had to quit because of mild jaundice.

Then I tried Cabergoline and it fixed ed!

I dropped it until I got consultation with psychiatrist but I keep it under my hand for emergencies.

Today Iā€™ve started Cyproheptadine.

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#2478

Lemme know how that goes

#2479

Well luckily I dont have ed and can get hard. Only problem is I dont have much Libido. Might also come from depression. But what ever it is, did not have it before finasteride.

In December I had a 3-4 day full recovery after 15 years of PFS kind of symptoms. I had a Libido, oily skin and felt the male power. Took Dhea and pregnenolone. Unfortunately it lasted only a few days. Now I take it again with no effect.

Sad to hear he not recovered from Proviron. Was planning to start taking it soon because now I am in Turkey and probably can get my hands on.

Also was considering clomid because itā€™s very easy to get here. But I read it has lots of sides.

And at the end, we landed here because of taking a drug. So itā€™s a bit crazy to try to heal it with another drug. Who knows how that harms us permanent?

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#2480

If youā€˜ll try serms consider tamoxifen it has better side effect profile when you compare with clomid.
Aromasin also an alternative but either it makes you hyper sexual or makes you extremely depressed it is a gamble and dangerous oneā€¦
proviron works for the most but will it cure permanently ? For some guys did for most only worked as long as they took. And for some made things worse, it is in my list but I have never tried it.

#2481

Cypro is really heavy ā€¦ first two days I have been knocked out, literallyā€¦
I used to take First generation anti histamines regularly on large doses.
I can take 50 mg doxylamine easily it only makes me moderately sleepy but this even in 4 mg completely knocked me down, man, I had one of the best sleeps of my life for several days, dreams were also fantastic like movie with deep narrativeā€¦
3rd day I tried to explore sexual effects I got no improvement on Erectile strength but I can achieve orgasm and it is definitely not a dull orgasm. Refractory period is also seems to be shortened, also I have restoration of post orgasmic fatigue (being sleepy after ejaculation) which I lost decade ago.
Iā€™ve tired lots compounds this effect is unique to cypro ( for now ) I will continue to test For several days and let you know I want to eliminate placebo effect as much as possible so I will give it a time(though I expected steel erections like cabergoline but I did not felt any difference on erectile strength or brain dick connection)
Other effects was, in 4th day I hit by weird hunger ā€œI can eat whole pizza and felt hunger after two hoursā€ and a little bit agitated since third day.

Do you have any recommendations about dosage? @Trump_1776

#2482

I have no experience with it

#2483

Look up PCT, etc.

Bodybuilders and people with hypogonadism take clomid, HCG, nolvadex,ā€¦ to get better. They pretty much have the same symptoms as we.

What will you do to recover then?

#2484

Ah shit (and good). I just realized I am in the wrong thread. There is another thread where op recovered with 200mg Proviron daily for 7 weeks and than stop cold turkey.

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#2485

@Trump_1776 I have sustained mood elevation, I also have increased mental clarity ( I have almost total remission on adhd symptoms), last two days my libido really enhanced yet nothing changed on erectile function. (Not on good side or bad side).
My orgasms are really satisfying I can give credit on that side I also feel like sensitivity enhanced.
Despite anti-serotonergic and anti-cholinergic effects I absolutely have no anxiety or depressive symptoms. I am having best sleeps of my life every night I have vivid Hollywood quality dreams.
Sometimes I notice that I am in a dream thatā€™s when I went on matrix mode :slight_smile:

If anyone wants to try this please give it a week or two.

I can recommend this to our post SSRI buddies, for pfs I think it helps but not as much as dopamine agonists or hormonal medication.

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#2486

@Trump_1776 my short term memory seems restored I do not lost things, I have excellent executive functions, I am more organized also my libido is really good late ejaculation problem seems solved even I suspect that I ejaculate too early also orgasmic feeling normalized refractory period reduced. I am Able to achieve climax easily. Erections are good but sustaining them is hard still requires intense mental concentration.

I will start mph after this but, I can say that, this is good for brain fog, libido, refractory period, and penile sensitivity ā€œfor meā€ unfortunately I can not recommend this solely for ED not much of a help on that side, cabergoline works way more better for Ed.

Worst side effect is intense drowsiness Even if I take cyproheptadine at night it makes really hard to wake up.

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