Hey luckfax, they have a pill for PMS called Pamprin, my ex girlfriend used to take it, when she was on the rag it made her less of a fucking CUNT, why don’t you go to the store and pick some up? Maybe you can shove it up your “arse,” you “shite” head.
Good news, MCI got his Andractim (DHT) Gel!
Now he just needs his second shot of Test from his doctor this week and we will see how it plays out. MCI has the same timeline of events as me and similar responses, he should respond to this treatment being used on PFS patients by Goldstein.
AS FOR DONATIONS: Ok everyone, as Luckfax says, donate the most you can as I said, I know many here can’t afford anything, so I was just throwing out a starting number. The troll has a point though, $5 is low, but I was thinking in numbers, if that is all you can donate, it is better than nothing.
So the current protocol is dht gel plus test prop? AI optional ?
So the current protocol is dht gel plus test prop? AI optional ?
Hey tumble, this is where my journey seems to have ended as it has now been more days than anything has ever kept me stable and reversed. I switched from suspension to propionate as suspension caused horrible mood swings due to levels of test going up and down (as you guys saw with my posts a week ago). Propionate is stable easier to inject anyway, Andractim is DHT, it kills estrogen, I have gone from high doses of Arimidex and Letrozole to nothing, I am just on andractim gel, no AI.
Had I known this gel was so potent, I would have been on it long ago, make sure to keep the dose SMALL, an eminem size on each side of your rib cage. I tried to induce my own DHT, but it took too long, life is too short, I don't want to wait. I saw enough recovery stories involving guys using DHT, it may even help us recover. It does stimulate 5AR a lot (when the dose is small and right).
That's all you need man, doesn't matter what your DHT is, this is affecting neurosteroidal DHT, killing neurosteroidal estradiol and stabilizing our situation. We need the exogenous test as our own levels can't be counted on, also this gel when taken without test will stop working after a couple weeks as it shuts down your test. So people who call this dangerous are a joke, Dr Goldstein is using it, and if you took these doses for the rest of your life, it would equal what a body builder uses in 1 month (no joke). This is half of what standard HRT commonly uses for test replacement, these are low doses.Ok but what about people that DONT want to be on this for the rest of their lives? Is there a chance of a permanent recovery?
I don’t know, recovery isn’t what I set out to do, I set out to reverse this, I gave up on recovery about 4 or 5 months into this. That being said, there are plenty of recovery stories, I know of 3 involving DHT use, JN, CDnuts, and Tow8er, so I have no reason to believe we won’t recover.
ALSO ABOUT MCI, you guys have to understand hormones don’t work in a day or a week, or a month sometimes, Jesse just started testosterone, and he is getting another shot from his doctor this week. It takes me 3 weeks every time I have used any form of DHT to have full results, so I expect it to be a good 3 weeks before MCI has full results. One thing he will notice is it killing off estrogen rather quickly, if the stuff wasn’t DHT, and was some other drug that killed estrogen, it would still be a miracle for me.
ABOUT DHT: DHT has a 5 day half life, it has to be taken daily consistently so that it can build up in the system, once it reaches steady state, then it maintains a balance of killing off estrogen. DHT also enhances mood and libido and does all the other wonderful things we know about. The point where Dr Goldstein and I disagree is, Goldstein believe the gel works by fixing the ratio of Testosterone to DHT. Interesting as this was one of my earliest theories (posted on my old thread). However, I now know the gel works by killing estrogen and allowing the reduction of test to DHT and the 5AR enzymes to activate. The exogenous DHT from the gel raises our low neurosteroidal DHT and kills off our high neurosteroidal estradiol (and regulates our neurosteroids).
Can Andractim gel be found via blackmarket sources? Or is this something we need a legit prescription for?
As for recovery: it took time for propecia to reset our hormonal system (neurosteroidal estrogen dominant). It will take time to pound our endocrine system back into it’s regular, healthy balance through the use of steroids and gel. Just as our hormone systems ‘forgot’ it’s natural balance through propecia use, we can change it again, except this way back to it’s healthy, normal balance.
I think this is very possible. However, it will take time on gel + test prop and it will require a restart after a year or two or three (Novladex + Clomid + AI).
I took this drug to transition MtF and I’m suffering the same thing as you guys… Are you saying that I have to stop taking estrogen to reverse this? I can’t really do that, but I also can’t feel like a zombie for the rest of my life which is what I feel like now. I don’t like my genitals but I still enjoy sexual feelings and is completely devastating that I am completely numb and cannot get aroused at all! I’ve been in bed the past 3 days just because of how awful this drug has made me feel. I’m a completely different person then I as a month ago and for the worse… I make a typo every other word and its impossible to have a conversation in real life with anyone because I stumble on words and get really anxious. I have a panic attack every time I hear a loud noise. This drug is fucking awful and its poison… 
Tumble, just google “Andractim,” a company sells it, with real doctors, not sure where they are located, but they sell it world wide. Just go there and put in an order, they are very nice and answer questions. This gel is used by Female to Male transsexuals to increase clit size and help prepare to make a penis, it is also used by men with small penises to increase size, it has many uses.
Since I was doing better than anyone here and I could not induce enough DHT to regulate systems on my own, I do not believe it’s possible anytime soon for guys with PFS. I believe we all need this gel, but Tumble, no reason to not try propionate when you get it, the gel may take some time to get there. Do not take an AI once you get on the gel, it annihilates estrogen, I quit 4 doses of metro 2.5mg a day cold turkey and haven’t required an AI since, it has been about 3 or 4 days now!! I should be mega crashing 2 days ago at least from Letro rebound.
Awesome. That’s great news. Will do.
What I’m saying about a recovery - it took about 6 months of propecia use before sexual side effects began (estrogen began to rise and T dropped). That means, my body essentially fought the shift in higher E and lower DHT for six months before it began to succumb. I see no reason why this won’t work in the opposite way, at least for some guys. Just as endocrine systems can be changed for the worse, they can change for the better. Lots of examples of bodybuilders shutdown after a cycle with high E and no sex drive…after an extended restart using clomid/novaldex/hcg, balls are back up and running with restored libido and sex drive. What I’m saying is the inherent weakness of our hormonal system can also be a strength when we restart it through hormonal therapy. You may have simply not been on this long enough. Try 6-12 months on THIS therapy (gel + shots), feeling great, then try a restart. We may be very surprised to see how this plays out.
Are you still on armidex? Any changes in symptoms for the good or bad?
You never answered my question about what you have donated (if any) to the foundation?
Ohh yea that’s right you are from germany and can’t donate, I forgot about your excuse. What is one thing you have done to help with this problem?
Ohh yea I forgot, you are from Germany and can’t help. What is the point of your membership on this website? Ohh lol I forgot again you are from Germany and have no purpose
Still on it. Around 0.5mg a day. Some night wood last night. Erection strength good without viagra. Have a girl coming over tonight. Will probably bang her without viagra. Will let you know.
If your intelligence is reflective of the intelligence of the average PFS patient, we really are fucked.
You should be ashamed of the above post.
But to answer your question, even though you dont deserve an answer, I have donated to the foundation. I find this question extremly immature btw. Ohh have you even donated? If not, I dont have to donate and your message of donation is false? Really?? Thats kindergarden logic. But what did I expect from someone who thinks the country of origin is relevant in this discussion.
Also I am the one who tries to nudge people towards the correct path, while you are sitting on the insanity carousel, trying out one medieval protocol after another. Also you are to lazy to get your ass to Baylor, and expect guys to fly in from germany to get the job done. What a joke and enormous waste of foundation dollars!
Have fun praying at the alter of JQD.
Screw Science, long live JQD.
5 alpha, I have tried everything (as you know), while some of my previous protocols will work, this one is the end, we just don’t produce enough DHT to function normally. It is not detectable, when I first got PFS my DHT tested normal through my HRT doctor. My DHT only tested low from Jacobs after Masteron use (which was suppressive), but none of this has to do with regular hormones.
All my protocols and attempts were to induce our own DHT and lower estrogen, basically compensate for low neurosteroidal DHT. Truth be told, I would have gone on DHT if I knew the gel worked, but I also had to prove to myself that I couldn’t recover quickly. I tried, and I couldn’t live like this much longer, the gel replaced what we are missing, DHT. We only need a low dose as we are not missing normal DHT levels (this is where Mew was confused when he mentioned his DHT was high). It is irrelevant what your hormone levels are, as the PFS neurosteroidal studies confirmed, our hormones are off on a neurosteroidal level.
The original conclusion about what PFS is, the logical conclusion, low DHT, high estrogen due to low 5ar, that is the conclusion any guy with a brain would make. The problem is that logic got lost in this forum long ago, since our blood tests always show normal hormone levels, guys sought out other explanations. Then the PFS study comes back showing the problem does exist but not on a normal blood level, on a neurosteroidal level. Androgens and anti-androgens affect neurosteroids, thus a small dose does it.
This is why guys with normal estrogen were getting help from low doses of arimidex. Not everyone with PFS has the same problem, PFS has caused an array of problems, they are all similar, but people like to tout Awor to prove this dogmatic agenda that this condition is untreatable with hormones and incurable. Yet we don’t know if a low dose of the gel would work with a low dose of test on Awor, if the dose is used as the package recommends, it will not work, it will lower estrogen too much and crash DHT. If it is used with out exogenous testosterone it will shut us down. It must be done a certain way, and Goldstein is using a similar protocol with success on guys.
Non responsive guys seem to be in the minority, and I am sure we can get them to respond with some tweaking, but anyone trying to prevent you from getting better you should not trust. Clearly it is a lie that we do not respond to hormones and we cannot recover, lies. In fact, even without hormones guys recover, I refused to believe the lies, and over the last 6 months I learned what this condition was about and how to manage it.
You have to question the motives of guys who are out to tell you to give up because you cannot recover, why? Don’t drink the cool aide, this place is dogmatic, and lots of guys here have given up and become jaded due to posts from Awor. I hear the same story over and over, that Awor’s posts are depressing and there is no point, well, I never read his posts. Who cares how someone else responded to their attempts at trying to treat pfs with hormones, with an unexplained medical condition. First of all, there are lots of conditions out there, he could have neurological conditions that were triggered by PFS. Some could have simply neurological conditions and thought they were PFS.
No one here knows exactly what they have, many just have low test and have gone on suffering due to the posts of others, it is ridiculous. Most guys who get damaged by PFS recover with simple HRT, I did! HRT stopped working when I took Avodart and then majorly crashed. Quite simply, hormonal medicine is behind the times in other countries, as I have stated before, this explains the small number of US guys on this forum. In contrast, there are numerous guys now on HRT in the US, it is a booming industry, likely lots of those guys were fucked by finasteride.
This issue is not black and white, this forum is a resource, certainly not a diagnoses of anyone here, everyone should seek medical help from an HRT doctor and if you respond as a PFS guy, get andractim. Unfortunately the PFS studies aren’t going to generate a treatment or a cure, the pharmaceutical industry doesn’t work without financial motivation, that motivation has to be in the BILLIONS. This foundation could never raise the money it needs to get a drug made to treat PFS, and quite frankly, doctors are already treating it.
It is my hope something results from these studies that helps us, but I can’t see why guys would stop trying to help themselves. Why disable yourselves, if I could come this far in 6 months, guys here can too, we have seen numerous stories of guys improving and recovering. Look at Bizzbee, using natural methods, there is a dogma here trying to get guys to stop trying to get better, stop recovering. Then the conversation turns to suicide and how evil Merck is, and how Merck controls the government, and Merck controls the media, and Merck has secret agents everywhere! Merck has spies on this forum, some posters are from Merck! Give me a break!!! Merck doesn’t even know we exist, we are a side note, unfortunately, but it is true.
What the PFS foundation has done is legitimize PFS so that doctors started treating it (like Dr Goldstein, with hormonal methods), it will hopefully get more doctors to treat it. We need DHT to be legalized in the USA, and for non responders, options should never stop. As I said before, I will say it again, if 100 body builders got PFS today, within a month or less there would be a treatment or a cure, you can take THAT to the bank. This is a dose of reality, simply giving up and waiting on studies is foolish. When I got to this forum it was a JOKE, oh let’s talk about how miserable we are, how we are going to kill ourselves, how it is hopeless, FUCK THAT.
Maybe it is an American thing, but I would rather go down fighting, I don’t give up! I didn’t, and I got this far, anyone with PFS should keep trying different things until they DIE. I am surprised at the UK guys here, it was Churchill who said
“We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.”
If I had no response in 6 months, and this forum was filled with no response to hormones, it would be a much smaller forum, it would be “nothing works,” period! Reality is not that way, instead defeatism has taken over, many have resigned to their own defeat. Anyone who wants to sit around bashing merck and talking about suicide is a FUCKING LOSER. Get off your ass and start trying things, work together, document progress, if it doesn’t work, try something else, but if you have nothing better to do, this should be your purpose in life, to get better. I abandoned my life to recover from PFS, and it seems I have, if I was able to intermittently respond to hormones, I knew there was a way somehow to make that response consistent, and here I am. If this fails in a week or 2, you think I am going to give up after being normal even for 1 day? 1 week?
When a guy gets paralyzed, do you think if he could get up and walk for a day trying different treatments that he would give up? Cowards give up, and people like PVDL are cowards, end of story. I don’t know about you all, but I would rather go down fighting, at least I tried! In my case, I succeeded, and if success is for a day, for a week, for an hour, it’s a fucking start!
Oh PVDL, I know hormones scare you like fire scares a caveman, but get this through your THICK SCULL, Hormones ARE SCIENCE! We have scientists and doctors treating conditions like this with hormones, and we have doctors working on treating PFS with hormones and other drugs. Many guys here (like MCI) are seeing a fucking doctor and being treated with hormones that you call “home brew.” Dr Goldstein is not just using hormones, but all kinds of drugs, he is rather innovative. The foundation created awareness of PFS and got doctors to start treating it, the best we can hope for from these studies is to get more doctors to start treating PFS. No drug or treatment for PFS is going to come out of these studies. All these studies are going to do is confirm (even more so) that this condition is real, and more doctors will treat it, with hormones.
Attempting to shut down doctors who are working on treating PFS, and stop guys with PFS from going to doctors for treatment, makes you a dangerous person. How is socialized medicine working for you in Germany buddy? Everyone has health care, but when you get an exotic condition like this you are pretty much fucked aren’t you? You keep touting studies done in US universities on PFS, and yet you bash US doctors trying to treat it. All based on your fucking obsession with Awor’s one post, FUCK OFF.
JQD is insane. Poor guy.
Its worse than PFS, this guy is a mental basket case.
It shows how desperate people are around here, that they are willing to buy into JQDs protocols.
They have made a patient of a nuthouse their Messiah.
Of course the misrepresentation continues: This is not about giving up, but pursuing the most effective strategy. Also hormones dont scare me, but consuming them without any scientific basis because a guy who lives in the basement of a insane asylum recommended them does.
This guy will go to great length to satisfy his enormous ego. Even lie to the most desperate people on the web.
The scarcy thing is, he loves engaging with me because it pushes up his ego, it gives him more attention.
Anyway, I will leave now, because I wont please a madman.
This is sick.
the normal dose of andractim will not lower testosterone, will increase. is totally safe with exogenous testosterone.
I used andractim for 6 months and my testosterone increased and my estrogen decreased. did labs before and after. The big problem is the que Andractim loose effect after a few months.
Andractim doesn’t work with our condition without exogenous testosterone, Dr Goldstein is using it with success, it loses effectiveness in guys with PFS due to neurosteriodal imbalances. It will lower neuro steroidal estrogen too much and you will end up fucked again. This is why Goldstein is using it with exogenous testosterone, the problem occurs with neurosteroids, not normal hormones.
Nothing is going to work with PFS hormonally without exogenous testosterone, you need to keep a steady state of testosterone, estrogen, and DHT. These irregularities do not show on normal blood tests, if you get a blood test to check your hormones you are pretty much just wasting your time. My hormones have showed normal as I kept them optimal, ultimately DHT must be supplemented. The PFS study backs up what I am saying about neurosteroids.
Dr Goldstein has guys on this for years, he does NOT use it without exogenous testosterone, it won’t work long term. Either this works or it doesn’t, but you need exogenous testosterone, otherwise it will fail, you can’t depend on your own levels when putting DHT in your body.