Quit your rambling and frothing at the mouth and quit hijacking this thread. We don’t care what semblance of thought you might be carrying around in that maggot infested skull of yours. You haven’t a clue what you’re talking about or doing apparently, nor do we care for you to share it in this particular thread. There are other threads for that sort of thing.
I’m about to embark on duplicating cdnut’s protocol. I got results back from lab work I did last week.
FSH 4.1 (1.6 - 8.0)
LH 2.4 ( 1.5 - 9.3)
Prolactin 14.6 (2.0 - 18.0)
Total Testosterone 402 (250 - 1100)
Free Testosterone 32.4 (46.0- 224.0)
Bioavailable Testosterone 70.8 (110.0 - 575.0)
Sex Hormone Binding Globulin 57 (10 - 50)
As you can see, my free and bioavailable testosterone and SHBG are completely out of range. Does anyone know what this can possibly mean and what I can do to improve my numbers?
I also had a few labs that were out of range… my endocrinologist advised that normal ranges are averaged out over the entire population and it is very common for an individual’s results to be slightly out of range. I think you should get an endocrinologist to take a look at your results before worrying that they are abnormal. Best of luck with the protocol
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Looks like he’s having a bit of trouble stepping into JQD’s shoes. Poor baby…
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LOL it appears that way. JQD is his own beast when it comes to HRT. His knowladge, money , time he invests and the doctors he works with. I don’t think anyone can copy his protocol. Dealing with the higher than usual estrogen conversion us PFS guys see on TRT was child’s play for JQD. He would have never have even let his estrogen get that high.
That’s just one reason why I don’t think TRT is the way to go for average PFS’er. And even if he can fix his estrogen (fix meaning manage to find his “sweet spot dose” with the AI) as far as not lowering it to much at the same time not having it to high than that’s just one peice of JQD’s protocol…
When I attempted a Clomid restart and at one point TRT the amont of time, energy, blood work ect ect I had to put in to find out I needed 1.5 MG of armidrx daily! To keep my estrogen in the 20’s range was just unbelievable. Expecially when you do all that work and get little to no symptom improvment. And again that’s one small peice of the JQD’s protocol. I Will confirm for certain that the CDNUTS protocol does not work for me before going on JQD’s protocol. And that’s at least two years down the road of constant following of this protocol
I wonder if your estrogen is to high. Seems typical to see high estrogen with high SHBG levels. Obviously the high SHBG is lowering the free T.
what are your exact plans as far as following this protocol goes ?
His results are abnormal. But it’s not that important seeing that making them “look normal” on paper most likely Wont fix him up anyway.
The logic behind why the Cdnuts protocol may work for some has nothing to do with blood work values anyway. Actually cdnuts him self never even ran labs
Hey man, My doc is not an endo, he’s an anti-aging doc. They will prescribe you stuff that most doctors won’t. I tried T and Masteron from an illegal steroids website. It helps, but I got nervous about directly surpressing T from nuts, so I stopped that for now. Was also growing bitch tits. I didn’t realize that HCG surpresses LH production. Thanks for telling me about that. That kinda freaks me out actually. I’m not sure which is worse. Surpressing your nuts producing T, or surpressing your brain from making LH. That also makes me wonder if I’m going to need to take something like Clomid or Nolvadex to come off of HCG. HCG definitely helps a lot. It’s cleared my brain fog, and has given me more energy. Still have other sides, but it’s better than nothing. I take have the dose that the doc recommended. Taking the full dose kinda fucked with my heart I think. Heart palpatations, irregular heart beat. Half the dose helped with that. Most guys probably won’t get that. I had that before as a PFS symptom, so I think the HCG just enhanced it a little. It’s gone mostly after lowering the dosage.
I got Andro-300 in. Tried it for the first time today. I’m trying to find out if this pretty much does the same thing as Andactrim gel, which is increasing DHT levels. My doc said my DHT levels were normal, but I take it anyway.
WTF!!! Are you TRT people retarded? This thread is for discussing cdnuts protocol not your misadventures in roid land. You’re a moron too who has no clue what he’s doing.
What are you talking about dude? Chill. I’m sick just like you. I’m trying to heal myself.
We’re all sick and we’re all trying to heal. No kidding. Now if you’ll like at the title of this thread it reads: “Experiences with attempting CDNUTS protocol”. So you decide, like those two nimrods who came before you, to post your experiences while NOT attempting CDNUTS protocol. Well, sick or no sick, there is no excuse for this. Go somewhere else or start your own thread detailing TRT-like experiences.
I’m with bizzbee with wanting to keep the thread on topic. Gham As far as ending the discussion on TRT:
Getting bitch tits on TRT is no surprise. More so for us who obviously do not have proper functioning endocrin systems. With our “missing link” it just makes dealing with TRT even more compilcated.
TRT will not only shut your nuts ability to produce testostetone off but it will shut your LH production off as well.
hCG will keep the nuts functioning. But yea will stop LH production.
So how is the Andro 300 goin for you so far ? I’m over two weeks on at this point and went through one whole bottle of andro300. The pump on my first bottle sucked and it was impossible to dose correctly. Everytime I pumped out a dose way to much would come out or way to little would come out. This resulted in me using the 30 day supply in 14 days.
I overnighted a new bottle that required a signature upon delivery which caused me to miss it 3 days in a row. So I had a three day fuck up in the middle of the cycle which I’m pretty pissed off about. Anyway the new bottle came with a new pump which works a lot better at dosing the soluation properly. Also its thick now more like a gel. my old bottle was really runny and felt more like liquid when applying it.
Only prob so far though is this new bottle with the changes to the pump and liquid does not feel as potent as the stuff from my first bottle. Every time I felt it really strongly after every dose from the first bottle. So this new stuff is weaker or im just now use to the way the pro hormone feels so I don’t feel it as much. Not sure what to make of this yet. Verdict is still out there with the andro 300.
Has me thinking I’ll use alpha hard or Epi andro for my next run. But not sure yet. Not being able to really feel the DHT conversion in my body may just be because of the 3 days I missed. So it may just be a matter of getting a large amount of it built back up in my body.
See this is where I get confused. Andro-300, to me, seems exactly like taking Testosterone. I have only used Andro once on my leg muscles. The next day after using it, it responded exactly the way T did, except only on my leg muscles. My leg muscles were hard as rocks. That’s exactly what a T injection would do for me, except every muscle in my body would be as hard as a rock.
The part where I’m getting confused is that I thought Andro-300 was supposed to be more similar to DHT than Testosterone. When I take Masteron, which is supposed to be like DHT, I “feel” better, but I don’t get the rock hard muscle effect.
For me, Andro-300 is more like taking testosterone than DHT.
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Did you get the new bottle from a different place? I wonder why it would be a different consistency. My was gel-like when I pumped it.
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The fact that LH is suppressed by taking HCG kind of weirds me out. I didn’t realize that was happening. So, when you take Andro, does it suppress anything? What are the side effects. I think someone was saying it may have a negative impact on your liver. I also saw a youtube video where a guy said it caused gyno. Have you had any side effects from it?
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Where do you apply it and how much do you use?
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Also, are you using the ultimate stack for the PCT plan?
You wouldn’t be so confused if you’d just do something called “L-E-A-R-N-I-N-G”. You see, dihydrotestosterone differs from testosterone by the 4,5 double bond on the a-ring. Andro 300 contains a precursor to DHT, that is, this precursor (epiandrosterone) converts to DHT within the body, hence the name “prohormone” is given to this molecule because it is a precursor to a hormone. Testosterone and DHT exert similar effects within the body because they are chemically very close. But DHT is more androgenic and reportedly less anabolic than testosterone. That’s apparently why bodybuilders choose testosterone in order to build size and choose DHT if they need to cut up. Masteron is a DHT derivative, that is, a chemically modified version of DHT (methyl group at carbon 2 position). It is also chemically close but will exert different effects due to its different moiety. Experiences will vary person to person, some have felt that good feeling you described with masteron when taking epiandrosterone and some have felt higher libido and some had harder, denser looking muscles.
“See this is where I get confused. Andro-300, to me, seems exactly like taking Testosterone. I have only used Andro once on my leg muscles. The next day after using it, it responded exactly the way T did, except only on my leg muscles. My leg muscles were hard as rocks. That’s exactly what a T injection would do for me, except every muscle in my body would be as hard as a rock.”
Well it’s safe to say that if the ingredients in A300 contained something else other than
Epiandrosterone like something that would convert to testosterone for example than that would prob mean you would feel exactly how you would feel on testosterone with like you said all of your muscles feeling harder. The fact that the Epi is only making your muscles hard on the area you apply it does not lead me to believe the A300 does not contain Epiandrosterone like it claims. It could be a placebo effect that’s making you believe the Epi in the A300 is making your leg muscles feel harder over night like that.
Also the intended purpose for which we are taking it anyway is to increase DHT systematically and not just in one area of the body.
“For me, Andro-300 is more like taking testosterone than DHT.”
Biz bees explanation on this prob would explain the similar feeling the best.
“Did you get the new bottle from a different place? I wonder why it would be a different consistency. My was gel-like when I pumped it.”
My new bottle of A300 is from the same place. They changed the pump and made the gel thicker because of customer complaints about the pump from the old bottle not working and the old gel being to runny with to many crystals in it. Does your bottle of A300 have a black or white pump on it?
My new bottle has a black pump and my old bottle had the white pump. My concern is that what ever they did to make the gel thicker made it less potent and or resulted in less of the Epi getting absorbed into the blood.
“So, when you take Andro, does it suppress anything? What are the side effects. I think someone was saying it may have a negative impact on your liver. I also saw a youtube video where a guy said it caused gyno. Have you had any side effects from it?”
Although body builders and people who use use DHT pro hormones say that it’s not as suppressive as other pro hormones or testosterone it is suppressive and typically requires some type of PCT. From what I read a natural PCT like the ultimate stack should be fine for a 4-6 week run of a DHT pro hormones like A300. Of course CD’s protocol called for a PCT and he made it clear he used the testosterone recovery stack from PP that’s no longer around. The ultimate stack from wicked sups is the same thing as the testosterone recover stack.
Exactly why or how taking something that converts to DHT can work on the negative feed back loop to stop the pituitary gland from producing LH (causing shut down) Im not sure. We know T converts to Estrogen and it’s mostly Estrogen acting on the pituitary gland that “tells” it to stop producing LH. DHT pro hormones do not convert to estrogen so I’m not sure how this results in shut down. Maybe Bizbee knows. I have read about how some people don’t even think that a DHT pro hormone alone can even cause shut down. But I take that with a grain and I figure why not hope for the best and prepare for the worse by taking at least something for PCT. Also CD’s protocol calls for running natty T boosters which alone will help recover from anything suppressive.
“Where do you apply it and how much do you use?”
According to the product instructions A300 is supposed to be applied on the shoulders and arms. So this is how I use it.
“Also, are you using the ultimate stack for the PCT plan”
I will be using the Res100 and DAA from the ultimate stack combined with rotating natty T boosters. The toco caps from the ultimate stack contains an ingredient found in Saw P so I’m leaving the Toco caps out playing it extra safe.
Awesome man. You obviously know your stuff.
Also gham as far as Dht pro hormones causing gyno. I don’t think this could happen on cycle because dhT pro hormones do not convert to estrogen. Maybe if after being shut down by a DHT pro hormone cycle if you don’t get things back in working order such as proper T/estrogen ratios than I could see maybe the possibility of this.
As far as the dosing of the A300 goes. Check out this post.
DHT prohormones are not typically as suppressive as AAS. Just do the recommended PCT after the cycle and you should be ok.
Thanks for all this information man. My bottle has a black pump.
I think the HCG is causing my gyno. I have a suspicion that my T levels and estrogen levels are way too high because of HCG. I have breast tenderness today, which I think is from HCG. Maybe I should go off of this stuff, and try cycling Andro-300 and the ultimate stack PCT plan.
This is what I have from my notes on reading the CDnuts protocol page:
It’s important that more guys try his protocol. The basics of his protocol are this:
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Get your body clean. This is done by water fasting, Juice fasting or a fruit and veggie only diet. CDNUTS in his recovery thread recommended one two week water or juice fast. It’s important to keep in mind that during his recovery he has done several fasts during his journey to recovery.
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Cycle DHT pro hormones in 4-6 week cycles. CDNUTS in his recovery thread said that he did six week cycles. He has done at least four cycles of AndroHard from PP. This product is not for sale anymore because it’s been shut down by the FDA. You would have to know someone to get your hands on it and even than it would be an old bottle that has been sitting around for a while. There are two well known alternatives that are currently available which are Andro 300 and Alpha Hard.
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Proper PCT/Proper Testosterone maintenance via PCT and Natural Herb/T boosters cycling, The way step two and three look is like this:
DHT pro hormone cycle for 4-6 weeks (6 weeks better for best chance of increasing 5AR activity)
PCT for four weeks COMBINED with cycling of natural T boosting herbs.
Another one or two months (one month better for sake of moving onto next cycle quicker) of cycling natural T boosting Herbs
This is one complete cycle. The idea is to do these cycles until you recover/ notice improvements. If after let’s say two complete cycles you are not making progress than fasting again may not be a bad idea even though the protocol only calls for one fast.
These are the basics. The purpose of this thread is to trade stories and experiences with following this protocol. The protocol is about being able to recover with out the continuing need of taking prescriptions meds/hormones. It’s about constantly moving your body little by little back into the right direction by using a one hundred percent natural approach.
So maybe the plan would look like this:
(get off HCG, T, Masteron)
-6 weeks - apply Andro-300 to shoulders and arms (how many pumps? daily? Do I exercise every day doing this? What should I do exactly? There’s no way that Andro-300 taken this long will be bad for health is there? No liver toxicity, ect?)
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4 weeks PCT - Res100 and DAA from the ultimate stack (how much should I take? Do I take this daily? Do I continue doing the same exercises?) Natty t boosters (Don’t know much about this. Need to read up on it)
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1 week of juice fasting
-Repeat