Interesting. Your the first person I have came across that followed it pretty close and actually got worse. I’m curious about a few things.
Did you fast at all before starting?
Did you ever try a dhT prohormone cycle?
Is it possible that the T boosters increased your estrogen? Im taking Res100 every two days just incase the Herb cycling is increasing T enough to point where it’s converting to estrogen.
I think I’m going to pick up the ultimate stack for PCT.
How does Andro300 compare to the original Androhard?
I see this is the make-up of Andro300: 3b-hydroxy-androstane-3b-ol-one
I remember seeing the old Androhard website somewhere, but now I can’t find it now. Not sure how closely the molecular make-up compares.
I am currently taking HCG, which my doc says is kind of like a pro-hormone for T. I’m not sure if this might be a replacement for Androhard.
I’m also not sure if Masteron might be a replacement for Androhard.
The fact that your doc gave you HCG is awesome. Most endos will never give this out. R u on TRT as well? What kind of doc gave u the HCG? Not sure that his explanation is the best. Hcg mimics LH in the body. Hcg’s reaction with the nuts is that it creates T. Same out come when LH reacts with the nuts. So your HCG usage is keeping your nuts active but it’s lowering your ability to produce LH because your body no longer “has a need for LH”.
Andro 300 contains epiandrosterone. It’s a transdermal. I’m using it right now. AndroHard contained epiandrosterone and Androsterone. Both R hormones that convert to DHT using enzymes seperate from 5AR enzymes. Also as far as I know there where three diff types of androhard. Type 1,2 and 3. There is a possibility that not all three types contained the epiandrosterone and Androsterone. But I know at least one of the three contained both.
But we know Andro 300 contains only one of the two. Also androhard had something in it known as liqui-vade which was put in the product to help carry or help the body absorb the active ingredients.
As I learn more about these DHT prohormones it’s it’s easier to decide which ones to take.
Alpha hard is actually the only product that I’m aware of that contains both epiandrosterone and androsterone. For this reason perhaps this is what I will use for my sec cycle
Nice gham, You went from doing nothing to a crazy man!
I never fasted. I thought I would give the safe things a try first. That’s why I never tried a prohormone cycle either. I did use T-boosters, but during the period I took them my T dropped 60%. So I stopped taking them.
Hi guys, I’ve been missing from this forum for a few months because I haven’t been feeling well at all, and fell into depression. That has impaired my daily activities and gave me lack of focus, but here I am ready to fight again. To cut the story short I tried rotating the testosterone boosters recommended by CD nuts, each once a week, and I got mixed results from them:
Overall, I’ll keep taking once a week Tongkat Ali, Tribulus and Catuaba Bark. These will be companion herbs to alleviated the symptoms, but to be honest I don’t see any progression for the better with this regime. I believe CD nuts recovered on his own for other reasons, but not because of stimulating his testosterone with supplements, androhard etc.
As I read MarioVitali’s thread on solvepfs.com I’m becoming more convinced of his theory, because what he lists as either beneficial or harming matches my experience. In his theory, testosterone induction may exacerbate oxidative stress, and this may be the reason why testosterone induction works at first and then it doesn’t, also, it may explain why we feel worse after masturbation, which raises T at first.
Oh, by the way, I also tried testosterone injections for two weeks, and I felt worse. Now I’m progesterone, 4mg a day.
Hope this helps guys.
Uuhhhhh…OK. Thank you for your input, much appreciated. We’ll take your case as an exemplar of what NOT to do or HOW NOT to go about fighting this condition. Thanks again. Keep us posted on your supposed insights and progress.
Are you getting blood work before jumping on testosterone injections? Starting and stopping this will cause depression in a normal person. Even lowering the dose can cause issues. Anyone planning to do this should get blood work done every 30 days in the beginning. This way you can see if your E2 is going up quickly. It will completely negate the effects of TRT if it does and it probably will. AKA make you feel worse. High E2 blocks thyroid hormones and will increase your fatigue. You cant judge TRT in 2 weeks. Even non PFS guys can take time to dial in the right protocol.
So it sounds kind you ran labs before and after your T booster trial?
Which T boosters where you using ?
I feel like taking even the “smallest wrong thing” for us makes us worse. For example recently and before I started cycling natty T boosters my levels crashed and Im pretty sure it was fish oil that did it. If it was not the omaga 3 than they just crashed on their own
Hi mcibofh, yes, the testosterone cypionate injections were prescribed by my endo after getting the blood test results.
My situation was:
Trust me, whatever made me feel worse is not E2, I know this because I had high E2 when I took Clomid, and I know the feeling. As I wrote, my baseline E2 is low. Yes as you say, it is true that excess T is aromatized into E2, but E2 doesn’t spike overnight, whereas I felt bad immediately after T injections.
After grinding my teeth on this condition for more than two years and a half, I have very little trust in what the endocrinologists have to say, at least before the studies are released. For the most, the endocrinologists see the hormonal imbalances and they resort only to traditional ways of compensating their levels, without addressing the root cause of PFS at all.
The theory that DHT level is the root cause of PFS is completely discredited, there are excellent posts of Awor in this regard.
So far there are only three theories on PFS that in my experience lead to some replicable results on what to avoid, they are: the methylation theory of Droit, the SRD5A3/Dolichol of Tryingnottoworry, and MarioVitali’s theory on solvepfs.com.
For example, there is no endo in the world that would tell you to avoid capers and peppers, but guess what, if I eat either of them I consistently get a mini crash, and I know why: because they are P450 and HSP70 inhibitors. Also those theories explains the mystery why the intake of even mild 5AR inhibitors (such as green tea) hurt even people with high DHT such as myself: it’s because they inhibit the Glycosylation.
Overall, the hormonal imbalances seem to be a consequence of PFS, but not the cause itself.
This does not belong on this thread. This is for people who are attempting CDNUTS PROTOCOL, not popping a few t-boosters and injecting steroids and hoping for the best. Take this somewhere else.
UPDATE:
Sensitivity and pleasure from orgasm returning in a big way. Able to masturbate three to four times a week with no big drop in feeling. Off of t-boosters for now. Just sprinting twice a week, eating paleo (with a cheat here or there), and limiting gym sessions to no more than 35 min, three times a week. Also, had a big diet cheat for birthday celebration eating chocolate cake and drinking champagne and red wine (several glasses) this past Sunday. A few years back would have expected crash symptoms to return, so far nothing major. Good signs.
This thread is about CDNUTS protocol not jacking off and eating cake.
@bizzbee333:
I’m afraid this is a rather narrow-minded answer. Did you ask if I took the injections at the same time I tried CDnuts testosterone boosters? Actually I took them several months apart. And I would argue that this is very relevant to this thread, to know if someone who didn’t respond to the t-boosters in CDNuts protocol would respond otherwise to direct t-injections.
You are really not worth the energy anymore. Your abject stupidity in making these sorts of remarks was amusing and of course annoying at times but at this point you really need to grow up. You probably get a kick out of the responses I give no doubt, that’s why you post this obnoxious hullabaloo. That’s the whole POINT of following this protocol…so that you can start doing the sorts of things people normally do or take for granted and not feel worse off, i.e. eating cake and jacking off as you so crudely put it. That’s why I posted this, so people can SEE that the protocol can work if given time, something you clearly don’t yet SEE. Take your dirty, used needles and your vials full of synthetically prepared manhood and go SOMEWHERE ELSE you little worm.
Yes, we are narrow-minded here in the sense that we don’t believe in using TRT/HRT at this point in time in order to recover. What you are doing is clearly not the protocol. The protocol hinges upon a certain type of lifestyle, not just popping a few pills, reporting how you feel after a few months, and then calling this whole thing a dud. That’s not how this works. Please read the protocol carefully so you understand, because you clearly haven’t even the slightest notion what it actually entails. No one has fully recovered from TRT if I’m not mistaken, I would welcome any challenges to that assertion. If you want more open mindedness in that regard I can recommend a few people for you to get in touch with that can help you, e.g. JQD (aka the prodigy, aka the prince of pill-popping, aka the fountain of youth).
There is some really good info in this post. But we really are just trying to use this thread to record trials with Cdnuts’s methods. I have a question about your TRT experience but I will PM you so this thread is not filled with TRT stuff.
It would be awesome if you could try all or at least some of these ideas so we can learn from your experience. Running T boosters is prob the best way at this point we know of to get that nudge in T without causing anymore havic to our crippled endocrine systems.
Dude seriously ? That’s the biggest attack ever. Everyone knows you are doing good and are happy with your HRT protocol so you don’t need to attack to show the world this.
Or are you happy with your protocol? Usually happy people don’t attack like that so I’m just asking…
Anyway if you know anyone who wants to get their bodies clean, run T boosters and DHT prohormones all while maintaining a clean diet and proper exercise program please send them over here.
MCIBOFH:
“I have been on TRT for several months now. Shit started going south on me a couple weeks ago. Luckily I had blood work pulled. My Frigging E2 sky rocketed to 81. I dropped the dose and took some AI and things are getting much better. I hope to experiment with thyroid very soon… I think it could be key to the low energy effects.”
Looks like he’s having a bit of trouble stepping into JQD’s shoes. Poor baby…
It takes time and lots of blood work to dial this in. That was my point in the first place. You cant just blindly go on and quit when it supposedly doesn’t work. Your methods are not somehow superior. In fact we may soon find out why none of the shit gets us back where we want to be very soon anyway. The cause and solution will be none of the above.