I’ve been doing the clean diet and exercise thing for 4 months now with no real results. I’m considering taking supplements now. Any suggestions since I have no idea what I’m doing? Should I do 4-6 weeks prohormone like alphahard and 4 weeks pct with something like this - strongsupplementshop.com/pos … ital-labs/? I’d be much more comfortable just taking milder supplements that won’t shut me down like tribulus but don’t understand what people refer to as cycling. Like take for one week then off one week? I’d appreciate the help.
It depends on your sides.
What sides do still persist for you?
Don’t feel like stating them here
Wow you totally missed my point… how are you so dense?
Oh um… the point about PFS not being as trivial as a Vitamin D deficiency…yeah we get that, thanks for the tip you colossal moron. It’s bad manners to come in on a conversation without knowing the history or the context and then spew out your ignorant nonsense like a fly that vomits its stomach contents onto its food in order to digest it. That’s what you just did with this thread. Buzz off before you get squashed.
Vitamin D increase testosterone it has scientific background supporting it.
Our problem is 5ar and Androgen Receptor related, thats why TRT or just vitamin D Aline will not work.
If you don’t have enough 5ar/AR you will have more estrogen in your body simply because your T has nowhere to attach to produce effects like morning wood, emotions, libido, wood, muscle mass, muscle definition etc.
The thing you guys need to worry is how to get the strongest effect from tribulus or tongkat ali I’m now doing another cycle will see where it will lead me. I’m almost waking up with morning wood, I’m already waking up with half wood. My cycles are always between one or two weeks never more than 2 weeks and then at least one week off.
Do you guys dream? If not this means your emotions are turned off, so is your libido. The returning of dreaming and pleasure to watch TV and listen to music are the first step, your personality will come back, then morning wood will start to happen, finally you will be stronger, more muscle, energy until you start to get libido again.
Hey brazilianguy, what do you mean by cycling trib and tongkat? How often do you take them?
Is this the same stuff cdnuts was using? I’m not sure 1-Androsterone is the same thing as Androsterone.
Once you get rolling with this program then yes you will start to dream and enjoy music, etc… And that may take months or even years. But you must be incorporating all elements of the program, not just popping a few pills once a week, THAT WILL NOT WORK.
Bizzbee it is working after each cycle I’m getting better and better. Check apr1989 I’m in The early stage that is The personality, brain fog, emotions getting back. Now I’m waking up with half wood. My pfs was one of The worst. I would wake up and almost throw up as soon as I would get out of bed.
Flaming: I would suggest at least 6 capsules for a week, you can use for 2 week and then you stop one week and restart The protocol. I’m using just three capsules because the brand I’m using is very expensive, its from pharmacy and I will not tell the name because you guys will never found in US or any other place.
Our problem is related to 5ar and Androgen Receptor, fixing both is just with herbs that stimulate 5ar/AR. I know that tribulus and tongkat stimulate I don’t know about others.
What is giving this guy the idea that the purpose of this thread is to discuss the root cause of PFS.
Anything that people with are resources can say about the cause of this syndrome has already been said…
As you can see we are experimenting with CDNUTS methods. It has a pretty good success rate so we are giving it a go. If you don’t want to be involved in that then there is no need for your input. There are plenty of threads discussing the root cause of pfs. Go their.
I got my recent T level crash issue solved with cycling these herbs and minerals.
List of Herbs/Natural T Boosters.
- Royal Jelly-$21.99
From:
m.puritan.com/puritans-pride-bra … -mg-007142
Important sources for Royal Jelly:
anabolicmen.com/royal-jelly-fert … tosterone/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3499288/
- Tongkat Ali-
From:
World abs price: $105
worldabs.com/collections/pure-range
- Tribulus-
From:
World abs price: $48.00
worldabs.com/collections/pure-range
- Maral Root extract powder-$44.95
From:
- D aspartic acid. (Wicked Sups)-$13.00
From:
wickedsupplements.com/produc … rtic-acid/
Important sources for D aspartic acid:
fitnesswarehouse.ca/d_aspartic_acid.html
- Icarrin60-$70.00
From:
worldabs.com/collections/pure-ra … /icariin60
- Boron-$11.99
From:
amazon.com/Trace-Minerals-Li … rals+boron
Important info regarding Boron
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21129941/
I had to make some changes with my first list. For me after hours of research this list seems to be the best compounds to take. Some of the other herbs I mentioned previously in my old list have a phyto sterol in them called B-Sistosterol that’s found in saw P. Even though the dose of B-sitosterol in the herbs I took out of my cycle contain only a small amount of this particular phyto sterol I’m playing it safe and not touching them.
For anyone else who crashed from a prescription DHT inhibitor I think you would of be fine to ingest small amounts of B-Sistosterol. For me seeing that I crashed from Saw P and not a prescription DHT inhibitor I think that this is the best course of action for me.
For example the Mucana from SMH’s was actually what I felt to be the strongest natty T booster in my list but after finding out it contained B-Sis I discontinued it.
If anyone is taking Mucana or considering taking it and they are interested in knowing where I’m getting my info from regarding its contents here is a link:
rain-tree.com/nescafe-chemicals.pdf
That’s a link that SMH’s posted on their website explaining what’s in the Mucana that they sell. SMH’s is prob the best source for herbs that we need. It’s high quality stuff and they have awesome helpful links containing info for everything they sell. Awesome website!
Anyway I cut the Mucana out. I also cut out Avens Sativa after finding this source discussing its contents:
researchsquare.com/articles … a-sativa-l
As we can see B-Sitosterol is in that as well
Also i started my Andro300 cycle today. I am nervous as hell…
But it’s a calculated risk and a part of CD’s method so it’s needed. I honestly don’t believe I have a fair shot at recovering with out cycling DHT prohormones. That is simply just my own opnion regarding my own case of this syndrome.
I will continue to run my natty T boosting cycle all the way through my andro 300 cycle and during pct as well.
After about 6-12 months of this with no improvments I’m going to fast again but this time instead of 7 days I’m going the full 14.
My journey continues. I will update in another couple of weeks. Please guys keep the updates coming
Sorry that I was not able to skyp you. I work 65 hours per week. When I’m not working I’m sleeping, working out and dealing with this situation which we all know is a full time job of its self. So I have zero time to do anything else. When I can find Any more free time outside of those things i come on here and read this thread. When things calm down for me I will jump on Skype.
It’s interresting that you are able to increase 5AR with trib and Tongkat. If my DHT pro hormone cycle goes wrong maybe I’ll jump on your method.
Did you say that you get prescription Trib ? Or am I reading that wrong ?
The best pct advice I can give u Is go to the wicked Suppletments website and get the ultimate stack.
It’s the pct CDnuts used after is androhard cycles. He got the same pct from another website that was called the Testosterone recovery stack. The ultimate stack from wicked sups is the same thing.
As far as increasing T I’d take a nice easy natural approach by getting the sups I mentioned and cycling them. If that does not raise your T you would need to go on TRT or do a SERM restart.
Before you use a DHT prohormone try increasing your T and see how you feel.
As far as the cycling of the herbs go. There are several wAys you can try this. I’d go with the one herb per one day approach. Try it and see if your T goes up. One sup per day than move on to the next. Use at least 7. Take the recommended dosage for each one for that day.
I’m still working on improving my PCT so if I can find any useful info I’ll post it.
If cycling those herbs don’t work for you and you are not ready to go on TrT or Clomid than you can try to source better herbs to take. This herb business is all about the quality of them.
If the trib and tongkat from world abs does not work for you. You can get
Tongkat from superman herbs. It’s supossed to be the best tongkat. Lift mode is supposed to have the best trib.
Only reason y I’m still using world abs tongkAt and trib is because I want to use them up before I spend more money.
Just an fyi one of the products in the ultimate stack is called toco caps and contains B-Sistosterol. Which is a substance found in saw P. I’m actually leaving toco caps out of my pct for this reason.
well done 5 alpha and good luck. I look forward to hearing from you telling you feel nice!
I couldn´t start the protocol because I am on exams till 25th of june. After then I want to start cycling some testosterone boosters. As I said in my pasts replys I have bearable symptoms, my condition is ok, like 70%-75% recovered or so. But I want to try this in order to help my body recover more.
Because of my “kind of good situation” I don´t want to risk it all and try trickier stuff than fasting+herbs (from cdnuts protocol). However I would really like you 5 alpha to tell me if you could , how you are feeling on each booster and which ones you eventually recommend.
We talked about Tongkat Ali, Tribulus and DAA. But I would like to hear your updates regarding how they make you feel.
Thank you very much!
Even if we can find products that contain the same ingredients as the AndroHard from PP it’s still not the same or as Good as Andro hard simply because of androhards delievery method that is known to be the best.
The best alternatives seem to be the one you found alpha hard, Andro300 and Mag Labs Epi-Andro.
I totally agree. You are smart for not messing with Prohormones in your situation. If I where you I’d hit up a few T boosters and see if you notice improvments. The Tongkat from superman herbs seems to be the strongest. The DAA from wicked that we already talked about. The Royal jelly feels really strong do me. I really feel that stuff on the day I take that.
Ress100 from wicked sups is amazing to. It’s a natural AI and is reported to be really effective at reducing estogen. Some guys have reported it lowering their estrogen to much. It also acts as mild SERM blocking estrogen in the brain resulting in more LH production.
I’m being careful with it though because my history with AI’s is that armidex made me worse at one point. So I’m adding it in but only taking one dose of it every 2 days.
This thread is a very good initiative. I have followed part of cdnuts’ regime since November 2013 (Paleo diet, HIIT, work outs, vitamins, T-boosters) but with no result whatsoever. I am even inclined to think that I am slightly worse off than when I started. Because of that I decided to quit this regime, in particular the diet. I am very curious whether you guys can copy cdnuts’ results. If so, I am willing to give it another try. In the meanwhile I’ll keep following this thread. Good luck!
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