Don’t clog up this thread with unnecessary details. We know where to find the protocol. There is absolutely no need to rehash these procedures in an additional post. I don’t know what you’re trying to accomplish by doing so. Plus it seems you still haven’t really done your homework if you think the basics only consist of prohormone cycles and fasting. Guess you’re too lazy to do any real work. You are totally lost aren’t you? You’re over there at solvepfs.com asking people for a week-to-week and even a day-to-day agenda of what to do with yourself in order to get better. Sorry, not gonna happen. The basic outline is there, you need to do the work of figuring this other stuff out instead having it spoon fed to you like you’re some kind of fuckin two year old who can’t wipe his own ass.
LoL dam. Thats what I wanted to say
But seriously Gham you should take a sec and chill. Once you are chilled go through and read the CDNUTS im cured thread. Read the entire thing from start to finish.
Next choose between this protocol and a HRT/TRT type protocol like the one you are on now with the HCG.
If you make the decision to jump on this prorocol (which you should at least give it a fair shot) come off the HCG and jump on rotating natty T boosters for at least a month before doing anything else. After a soild month of natty T boosting AND after reading the entire Cdnuts im cured thread decide on how you want to go about pursuing this protocol.
As far as what you are learning on solve PFS, it’s an all or nothing type of deal. You have to go on pretty much everything JQD is on or none of it. You should just for now give this a try by coming off of the HCG properly and jumping on at least seven diff natty T boosters taking one per each day and moving on to the next for that day.
But please before you do this go read up on the CDnuts im cured thread and you will see how my summery touches most off the major parts of cd’s protocol.
After you get started on the natty T boosters and after hopefully they worked to increase your natty T production to at least half way decent levels take it from there. This thread can guide you as your experiences can guide as well.
I haven’t said anything until now, but what’s your fucking deal with this negativity bullshit. Go fuck yourself dude.
It’s all about mentally preparing you to be able to do this protocol. At first you will have no joy in life. You can’t eat what you want, take HRT like you want, work out like you want. There is a certain way you need to eat and work out. But as time goes on and you can see and feel improvments the joy will come back.
I’m not a big fan of spoon feeding as well. But even with that said I’m aware of how difficult it is to make sense of cd’s protocol. It’s a lot to take in. You will need to read the entire thing and fact check some of the stuff in it that you question. For example if you read about the paleo diet aspect of his protocol and your like huh? This is bull shit. Than go read about the paleo diet and research it.
To be honest it took me a year to go through his protocol and research everything he spoke of. And that’s just what Cd posted in his im cured thread. That’s not even counting everything else that cd has posted on this website which I have not even started to really dig into yet.
Just read the im cured thread and take it from there.
For what you should do in the mean time again you should jump on natty T boosting cycling and come off the random HCG that you seem to be taking randomly. See the list I already posted for the natty T boosters. And start researching natty T boosters.
@Bizzbee Gham is sick and trying to get better. He probably has really bad brain fog like I did when I crashed. Out of all the people with PFS you actually deserve this shit you prick.
T-Boosters are not some kind of special magic. If they worked well you would get high E sides just like being T or HCG. Not that complicated. A smart person like TowM8r actually tested his blood levels, stopped T treatment and gave the T-boosters a fair shot (as did I). Levels dropped while doing this and had to go back on T (or HCG). End of story. This T-booster cult is just pathetic. Bizbee isn’t even using this shit but he loves to comment. He claims the DHT prohormones made him worse. You are pathetic and useless Bizbee. Your overly proud of yourself for whatever lame fitness program you have been able to do. With your wimpy 400 T level. All gham needs is a test of his E level and an AI. But you useless fuckwits will twist him to the wrong direction. Then when he doesn’t get any better, I guess you will make fun of him some more. I hope they ban your useless ass on SolvePFS you dick!
Hahahahaha Yes this is an EVIL T-booster cult and we are trying to get Gham to become a human sacrifice for our malevolent t-booster rituals! You poor poor thing. You’ve finally mustered up enough motivation to do a few pullups at the park after all those meds you’ve been taking. I do 26 pullups with my lousy, wimpy 500 T levels, I climb mountains with my lousy, wimpy 500 T levels, go to the beach and get aroused watching women in bikinis with my 500 T levels. I can do all that and more because my 500 T levels won’t drop, they will continue to rise and rise until I am back around where I should be, which feels really close by the way as the days go on. As far as I know, if JQD stops his meds he starts to regress rapidly. I suspect that would be the case for you as well MCIBOFH. That is why I chose this protocol, because there is an element of PERMANENCE associated with it. The studies have shown this for those who strength train on a consistent basis: baseline levels of T go up and stay there. You’re right, T-boosters are not magic… nothing about this protocol is magic. We are not dealing in illusions and magic tricks here, the lab tests prove it. T-boosters are simply an aid for those who need a little extra push in the right direction, they are not a substitute for TRT/HRT, but more importantly they are NOT a substitute for hard work, consistency, and determination needed for this protocol. The main ingredients are the particular lifestyle changes and habits one must make in order to succeed. But we have already established this numerous times and yet here you are MCIBOFH defecating all over this thread once more with your scatalogical nonsense and feeble attempts at trying to discredit it. YOU, MICBOFH, are the pathetic one for your lies, malcontent, and cynicism.
For those of you who are interested in knowing just how badly things have devolved over at solvepfs with this TRT business, JQD (MCIBOFH’s mentor) has now suggested taking horse steroids (equipoise) for PFS patients. Straight from the horse’s mouth as they say. At first I thought he was innovative and bold, but now I’m beginning to think he is completely out of his mind. Again, that’s why I chose the method that I did.
Whoever wants to make an earnest effort to try this protocol, by all means please post your experiences here. The protocol is very simple to follow, it is not really that complicated contrary to the opinions of some.
For those who want to come here and be fed with the spoon instead of simply doing a few searches on this forum to find the protocol and then implement it without having to be told what “paleo” is or what a “push-up” is, please don’t post here. This is for determined and mature adults, not children who need hand-holding or need reassurance or won’t do the work of figuring out what works for them and expect others for continual guidance. Gham, I don’t care if you have brain fog or not, you are certainly capable of reading and taking notes and making sense of a few pages on this forum. Don’t tell me you aren’t capable of using the search function on this forum and finding cdnuts protocol in all its detail and glory. And don’t come here and spout off gibberish because you don’t have the motivation to properly study and synthesize what you’ve read and expect constructive feedback in return. We need as much clarity as possible, we don’t need thread “polluters” like you and MCIBOFH spreading misinformation and confusion.
actually I feel like advice I gave gham about using Natty T boostets is good advice seeing that he said he got gyno like symptoms from his usage of TRT and HCG. That actually proves the point I have been making about TRT not being a good idea for PFS guys. He developed gyno because his system is converting to much T to estrogen and because of this he is reacting poorly to taking an extreme approach as far as how he’s increasing his Testosterone. Few obvious things about Natty T boosting that I don’t think you understand:
You should expect to experience a slight increase in T that can be long lasting it cycling the natty T boostets correctly. Comparing this slight increase to TRT level increases is stupid.
If you have primary hypogonadism (nuts don’t work) natty T boosting won’t work.
Claiming testosterone levels in the 400’s must mean that someone will feel like shit is a stupid thing to say. PfS guys T readings mean next to nothing as far as how we feel.
And really … This thread is about trying this protocol not for arguing about who is in favor of it or who’s not. Honestly I don’t care about your opnion. If you don’t like the idea of using these methods why don’t you just leave ? What are your trying to prove ? How healthy you are? Your on TRT and your not even 40. Really you are healthy? You are on website searching for cures to a strange syndrome. I think you get the picture of what in saying. Why are you here? What’s your purpose. I’m not responding to anymore threads that are not releated to this subject.
By the way I’m feeling the best I have in a while from running andro 300. It’s Deff showing me that my body is using this extra DHT for the better. Deff showing me I’m lacking Dht in certain places even though my labs show normal dhT levels naturally. No way I would see these results by jacking my T up to the 800 range. Iv done that before and it never worked. This first DHT Prohormone cycle is giving me new hope. Until now The only time I seen improvments on this level was during a very brief period when I took DHEA at high dosage and those improvements only lasted for 3 or 4 days.
I’m done with even trying to argue these points. IM just bringing it back on track by only contributing to anything releated to trying CD’s protocol. I’m 22 days in on the A300 cycle I can confirm for certain that I have improved in areas related to ED. My sleep has also improved. Not sure if I can contribute this to the A300 or the cycling of Adaptogens. I’ll know which one of the too have improved my sleep quality once I’m off of the A300.
Because of the improvments I am going for six weeks instead of four. By the time Im done with six weeks I will have gone through three bottles of A300. Not sure how safe it is but it seems to only convert to DHT when used in high dosage. But I figure at least it’s a transdermal so I can’t imagine its that hard on the liver and kidneys even at high dose.
Also I’m cycling the T boostets all the way through. Gonads have not shrunk at all size and I’m feeling no symptoms of further shut down at all. Feeling good about the tweaks I have made to this protocol and the over all outcome.
But as we know things change overnight with this syndrome so I’m not going to get to thrilled about this yet .
MCIBOFH you’re a tool, run along to your master JQD. This disgusting excuse for a human being is so shallow he actually posted a rallying call for his supporters (toolbags) to petition their forum douche-master (Eden) to reinstate his “VIP” title (it was sadly taken away due to his detractors on that site protesting his obnoxious persona and dangerous methods) so he can stroke his cock a while longer by posting “good” advice about how to recover from this thing. If you’re really all about helping people I don’t see how the fuck some VIP status on some internet forum is going to hinder you from doing just that. There is no way this guy went to Harvard. My guess is that he’s a complete utter fraud and most people over there see right through it but they won’t admit it on that forum.
But yes let’s get back on track, no more digressions. I’m finished with these dirtbags anyway.
UPDATE:
Tried experimenting with ejaculation frequency these past two weeks. Ejaculated 5 times per week. No crash or feeling worse off. Yesterday, ejaculated twice with no problems. Had pretty much normal nocturnal erections all night, very strong. Semen consistency still varied somewhat, need to give it more time. Good signs so far. Maybe I should start my own thread about jacking off and eating cake…
I’ve been taking the natural testosterone boosters for about two weeks now. Since around the same time that I started, my testicles, especially my right one, have been in excruciating pain. Not sure if it’s related or a coincidence. Have anyone experienced anything similar? Or know anything about this?
Hey guys, I got a question regarding Tribulus that I’m sure has been talked about already but I need some clarification.
I have an old bottle of trim that I still use from time to time, but I just realized the bottle lists it as “minimum 45% saponins.” No mention of protodioscin. Is this safe to take, or should I toss this bottle and get one that has protodioscin in it?
I guess the only way to know for sure is to stop the T boosters and see if the pain goes away.
Some people who are on TRT report pain in the gonads. It seems like it’s just something that happens sometimes when the amount of natrual T coming from the nuts is “adjusted”.
You could always give it another week on the T boosters to see if it passes
Any trib you can find that claims it has 95 percent of the active ingredient id go with.
If I remember correctly protodioscin is a steriod saponin. So when a trib product says it contains 90 percent of the active saponins I believe it’s referring to protodioscin.
If I’m wrong about that than its no big deal because if you get trib from lift mode of world abs you will have good trib.
Hello All:
I’ve just started a cycle of DHT prohormones. I am going with the Epi Andro from IML. Will update in 10 weeks.
Hey Bizzbee333,
I saw that you were doing brongfogboy’s protocol as well. Are you continuing with cdnuts’ protocol or are you putting that on hold for now? I would love to hear you are doing, keep us updated.
I put it on hold for now. I just really felt the need to try this first.
I need to rule out any problems with the gut. Will eventually do a comprehensive parasitology test to look for dysbiosis. Will also address thyroid and adrenal problems by seeing a holistic md. Anyone recommend a good brand of pine pollen? I know of a few recoverers who have used it. I’m currently looking at Vitajing herbs pine pollen.
Bizzbee could you post here some of the recoveries with Pine Pollen?
I don’t think this is related to the gut or adrenal/thyroid. I say this because I tried adrenal, thyroid and gut treatments with no results at all.
The best that I felt was when I was leaner and stronger from some months of gym and then I decided to use tribulus (I guess my hormones were in a better state and then tribulus made my T get connected to my AR) I felt 75% cured for 2 months I just crashed with the same thing that made me crash for the first time (weed) then used progesterone (made me worse) then used herbs similar to saw palmetto and got really bad.
During these 2 months I was fucking girls like crazy, my friends even warned me to be sure to use condom because I was at a high risk to get a STD (no viagra or cialis or anything like that)
I tried cortef, prednisone, licorice root (which is not good for us) and T3, I just felt more energy, nothing else.
The first time I tried tamoxifen I felt 30% better for a week.
I see that some people take tribulus and feel nothing, sometimes I take it and don’t feel anything too I’m not sure why I guess my T:E is not good to tribulus do what its supposed to do. When I take it and it works I feel better while taking it then it decrease the effects and I stop, after this process I get a new baseline, always better than the last one (the stronger the effect of tribulus the better my new baseline) what I experience is exactly how cdnuts, light at the end and others said (ups and downs but always leading to an upward scale)
About cdnuts. I guess what made him recover after all is that after his cycles and pct he was in a better hormonal status then the herbs would connect the androgens to Androgen Receptor (because I read studies showing that high E interferes with this process and also read studies showing that high E acts like a natural 5ar inhibitor)
That’s the only protocol that really works for me. And I suggest to you guys to avoid drugs and specially weed and ecstasy, mdma (I saw many crashes of people doing these drugs) I don’t know about the others but since I had two interventions I try my best to stay away from them. As I said I’m totally focused on this protocol I just need to adapt the protocol to make the herbs work everytime I try, just like light, cdnuts and others did, if I can do it I will be cured with no need to others supplements, or herbs. I mean really cured.