Experiences with attempting CDNUTS protocol.

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#41

Thank you very much 5 alpha victim for the t-boosting herbs.

I wonder if there is any other cheaper and still good quality Tongkat Ali out there or if it is enough 10 grams for $39.95 from SMH (I can only afford that). I thought about taking 200mg 5 days a week 2 days off during 10 weeks. First I would fast and then start the t-boosting herb. It would be ok?

Besides, I would want to know what it is the point of doing an 8-herbs-cycle instead of just taking one (just TA) or two of them. Sorry for my lack of information.

#42

The theory behind cycling is to avoid a tolerance to any one of them. Good luck

#43

Starting of with the smaller portion from SMH’s sounds like a good idea. Will give you the chance to find out of it’s a herb you react good to or not. If it’s for you know you know obviously you will need more if cycling the Tongkat Ali is somthing you are going to do for the long term.

I’m new to herbs/herb cycling but I’m learning a lot fast. You will at least need one other herb to cycle with it. Even though tongkat is arguable the most potent natural Herb/T booster out their if you are using just this one herb your body is most likely going to get use to it.

You should just really eventually try to save up and get at least 7 of the best ones and cycle them wth a one herb for every one-two days and move on to the next herb.

Yea it’s expensive but you got to figure it you are only taking one herb from each bottle once per week they will last forever.

But if you are going with two I’d go with trib and tongkat .

I’m not sure about the quality of tongkat from any other sites. I have personslly used tongkat from world abs and I hear the tongkat from SMH’s is even better.

If you are ready, willing and able to do a fast (which is by far the hardest part about any of this) I’d say just do the entire protocol.

Fast

DHT prohormone cycle

Pct

Cycling T boosters.

Just keep in mind there is tons you need to know about each stage. I have been researching every stage of this protocol for a year now and I am just ready now

#44

5 alpha victim, you are really being very helpful. However, regarding the whole cdnuts protocol I am unwilling to take any hormone drugs. I think I read once that he said he maybe wouldn´t take them again… I don´t really know much about DHT prohormone, but I am definitely not into PCT.

And my situation now I believe it is not that bad so as to risk it all. My plan is first to have my bloodworks repeated at 12 months off mark (last ones 6 months off I had low LH, FSH and middle-low TST; I believe they will be better since I feel much better now, but I want to check them before trying any treatment) and then start a fast. Finally I will take Tongkat Ali for some months and maybe cycle it with another -they seem interesing for me the pine pollen and DAA-.

Furthermore: I will keep on taking every now and then my actual supplements= Vitamin D3, L-Arginine, Vitamin E and CoQ10. And want to improve my diet as well.

Out of the Cdnuts protocol: I want to try low dosis Cialis once a week and Low-Energy Shock Wave Therapy for ED.

What do you think about my whole protocol? I need orientation regarding the supplements, t-boosters, interactions, etc.

Thank you very much!

#45

Your protocol seems good. Totally agree, if you are not that bad off don’t play around with DHT prohormones. As far as CDNUTS saying that he’s not sure if he even needed to have taken the DHT prohormones to recovery, I just don’t know what to make of it.

I believe in the majority of his protocol and 90 percent of what he posts on these forums. But what he says regarding recomendiing or not recomending others to incorporate the DHT prohormones seems to be difficult to follow. Like you mentioned he’s saying he’s not sure if it’s necessary but at the same time I have seen posts of his saying how good he felt while on androhard and how after each cycle he “came out better and better”.

But I think we have the right logic in mind. It all depends on how bad you are and how old you are. Being in your low twenties and not being that bad off I think you are making the right call to not incorporate the DHT prohormone. At your age you may just be able to recover on your own with basic diet and exercise. So adding in some fasting and natural T boosting herbs to nudge things along sounds like a good plan.

The other sups in cd’s protocol are vitamin B complex , mineral complex and a magnesium supp. Vitamin D as well but sounds like you are already taking that.

Aldo hold off on the pine pollen tincture extract for now.
I found some info that suggests it contains the same active ingredients as SAW P. Not sure yet but I’m still researching. I’ll post more on this but for now I have found enough info to stay away from it. I’m going to replace it with roryal jelly for now. Also I’m thinking about adding in boron.

#46

Thanks 5 alfa, this topic and your comments are very sensible and helpful.

You are right now I am taking vitamin D and also L-arginine, L-carnitine, CoQ10 and vitamin E (I use them randomly like twice a week each one). I have already bought Cialis and going to try it at low dosis once a week soon. I am interested in adding mineral and B complex as you say.

However, because they are too many supplements I was thinking of getting a daily complete formula, something like this:
bodybuilding.com/store/univ/daily.html
What’s your opinion about it? Maybe it is too cheap and not worthy… Any alternative?

Regarding my sexual situation is like 4-5 in a 0 to 10 scale (0= my worst sides/ 10= pre-fin). So maybe it is not that good, but I have improved and still improving naturally so I feel my first step is only fast, herbs and training in cdnuts protocol.

So if you had to choose just 3 herbs in a cycle, what would they be? (I can’t buy 8).

#47

I would say anything that is a complete formula sounds nice but will be a problem cause it can’t be cycled.

#48

Just wanted to report on some progress briefly. Semen looks almost normal. Has been watery for years until starting this recovery plan. Started the spinach/paleo diet a few days ago. It’s just paleo with an increase in the amount of raw uncooked spinach eaten every day. For details see trynottoworry’s posts and mariovitali’s posts here and on solvepfs.com.
I eat about 150 grams of raw spinach a day now. Let’s see what happens in 30 days.

#49

Thanks 5 alfa, this topic and your comments are very sensible and helpful.

You are right now I am taking vitamin D and also L-arginine, L-carnitine, CoQ10 and vitamin E (I use them randomly like twice a week each one). I have already bought Cialis and going to try it at low dosis once a week soon. I am interested in adding mineral and B complex as you say.

However, because they are too many supplements I was thinking of getting a daily complete formula, something like this:
bodybuilding.com/store/univ/daily.html
What’s your opinion about it? Maybe it is too cheap and not worthy… Any alternative?

Regarding my sexual situation is like 4-5 in a 0 to 10 scale (0= my worst sides/ 10= pre-fin). So maybe it is not that good, but I have improved and still improving naturally so I feel my first step is only fast, herbs and training in cdnuts protocol.

So if you had to choose just 3 herbs in a cycle, what would they be? (I can’t buy 8).

My opinion on multi formulas is that they are just not a great way for people with this syndrome to get the vitamins and herbs we want. For normal guys just looking to get a fast easy fix of what they want they sound great. But with us everything is always complicated and we need “more control” over the dosages of each individual thing we want. Also lots of times a complete formula will always have something in it like Zink that we know we don’t want. Also just like pomegranate mentioned it also screws up being able to cycle the herbs that we want to cycle.

As far as picking three herbs to increase natty T. The Trib the Tongkat and a product called D aspartic acid that you can get from:

wickedsupplements.com/produc … rtic-acid/

I’m reading good things about D aspartic acid as far as its ability to increase Natty T and it’s only $13 from wicked. But keep in mind as far as the Tongkat and Trib goes it’s all about the quality and their R tons of crappy quality Trib and Tongkat out their. Quality means expensive obviously like anything else.

Once I start cycling my list I’ll be able to give more feed back on which ones I believe to be the best as far as how I respond to them.

I just got my blood drawn for my pre protocol baseline for my hormones. I plan on making this as scientific as possible so I want to be able to compare my basic hormone readings between what they R at now and from what they will be after a few cycles of this protocol. This is really important seeing I plan on cycling DHT Pro hormones. So knowing for certain if doing so has any long term implications on my natural T production is very important.

I have also decided to get a baseline prostate size/function test before I start. I’m pushing for a ultrasound test that will measure the size of my prostate. I want to be able to compare the volume of my prostate now to the volume it will be after a few cycles. This is going the extra mile but seeing that I suffer from an enlarged prostate already I feel that it is important to monitor prostate size.

This will push my start date back but it’s the best course of action seeing that DHT can make a prostate grow so I want a baseline.

Can you fill me in on the following sups as far as what they are and what they can do for us:

L-carnitine, CoQ10 and vitamin E

#50

Agreed

#51

“Just wanted to report on some progress briefly. Semen looks almost normal. Has been watery for years until starting this recovery plan”

Thats unbelievable. If I could get the same gain I’d feel like I have made a major step towards being cured.

“Started the spinach/paleo diet a few days ago. It’s just paleo with an increase in the amount of raw uncooked spinach eaten every day. For details see trynottoworry’s posts and mariovitali’s posts here and on solvepfs.com. I eat about 150 grams of raw spinach a day now. Let’s see what happens in 30 days.”

I’m somewhat familiar with Mariovitalis’s thread over on solve PFS. It’s been my inspiration for eating raw organic baby spinach every day. I do however need to start measuring the amount of spinach I eat every day to confirm I’m getting the recommended 150 grams per day.

Thanks for the updates

#52

This is my most recent List that I plan on going with. If anyone is aware of any 5 alpha reductase properties that any of these herbs or sups have Please let me know. Also if any one has used any of these natural T boosters and just straight up found any one of them infective let me know.

I have done hours of research on every one and have a good feeling about every one.

  1. Royal Jelly-$21.99

From:

m.puritan.com/puritans-pride-bra … -mg-007142

  1. Tongkat Ali-

From:

SMH’s price: $174.95 for 50 Grams or $39.95 for 10 Grams.

World abs price: $105

supermanherbs.com/tongkat-ali/

worldabs.com/collections/pure-range

  1. Tribulus-

From:

Lift mode price: $29.99

World abs price: $48.00

amazon.com/Tribulus-Terrestr … e+tribulus

worldabs.com/collections/pure-range

  1. Mucana-$34.96

From:

supermanherbs.com/mucuna/

  1. Maral Root extract powder-$44.95

From:

supermanherbs.com/maral-root/

6)D aspartic acid. (Wicked Sups)-$13.00

From:

wickedsupplements.com/produc … rtic-acid/

  1. Icarrin60-$70.00

From:

worldabs.com/collections/pure-ra … /icariin60

  1. Avens Sativa. $17.00

From:

(m.iherb.com/Action-Labs-Avena-Sa … blets/3384)

#53

Also this is the DHT pro hormone I’m going with

DHT pro hormone:

Andro300-$54.92

From:

strongsupplementshop.com/and … nt-reviews

And here is my PCT

The Ultimate Stack:-$173.95

From:

wickedsupplements.com/produc … ate-stack/

#54

They are supplements to early Peyronie´s Desease. I used them daily and still take them everynow and then. I think they definitely worked for me and now my curvature is not worrying and the plaque is almost gone. If you don´t have any curvature or fibrosis, but deal with ED and vulnerable penis they could be recommended in order to prevent damage (my theory); that´s why I still use them. So I just take them to prevent a recurrence.

mypeyronies.com/peyronies-supplements.html
webmd.com/vitamins-supplemen … e&source=0
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20720560

In my PFS case there are two recognizable causes for sexual symptoms:

  1. Penile Tissue vulnerability (I have it veiny, old aspect, reduced sensitivity, slightly rotated and curvatured)
  2. Hormonal (low LH, FSH and TST. High SHBG).

So, regarding my first problem I take those supplements, take hot baths, wear comfortable boxers… I have just started taking low dosis Cialis. And want to try in the near future Low-Energy Shock Wave Therapy (as I commented in a past reply). Besides, I was wondering about trying this cream: man1health.com/
I have started a topic of it, if you have any thought about it please share. I don´t know if it is really worthy.

Finally, regarding my second (hormonal) problem I am going to do some steps of the Cdnuts protocol: More supplements, fasting, t-boosting herbs cycles and training.

And I will possibly try acupuncture.

#55

Thanks 5 alpha,

I will get Tongkat Ali, Tribulus and DAA.

Regarding royal jelly, I am possibly interested to adding it to those 3 because that brand (Puritan´s Pride) is easily accessible in my country. However, I have found only 100mg jars. Do you recommend to take 500mg?

#56

That’s strange…I didn’t ask this question. Maybe there is some mistake.

#57

Guys I’m starting to wonder if these long fasts are necessary and/or more beneficial than intermittent fasting.

paleoleap.com/long-fasts/

It seems the cleansing starts after 14 hours or something like that and then goes on for another 2 days…then it kind of slows down. So apparently intermittent fasting is more effective in cleansing your body than a long fast.

Read the whole post… What do you guys think.

-Pomegranate-

#58

I think Cdnuts recommended to do a long fast before starting the protocol and to do intermittent fasts during it.

#59

I know. I’ve read all his posts… I’m not asking what he recommends. I’m asking you to look at the evidence laid out in that article. Maybe a long fast is completely unnecessary.

#60

Yes, I thought of doing like 4-5 days of water fast prior tu use any T-booster. And then, do one day twice a month.