You’ve presented no evidence of there being androgen insensitivity, but yet you keep trying to hammer it away…Personally if that ever was the case, were all screwed anyway. However, I think the simple fact that there have been recoveries debunks that whole theory, and only a handful of ppl on this board have had sufficient testing to fix their problems (myself not included).If you ask me, the problem is the doctor and the lack of knowledge they have on hormone modulation and metabolism in general. Anyways, Just my 2cents…
WOW, you are so much of an asshole you even misquote me. This ISN’T MY QUOTE.
As for Chillin’s theories there are people having success with supplementing prenenlone.
And why are you making up lies saying i said people have recovered doing this? Are you completely simple or just delusional? I have primered everything i have wrote with notes that this is something worth looking at.
And for your information alot of people’s cortisol levels DO appear to be low. Firstly, i DON’T advocate trying any of this blindly. I advocate cortisol optimisation for people with apparent defecient adrenals. This could be indicated from low ACTH readings, low cortisol readings etc. I’d be interested to see anyone with PFS that actually has very good adrenal function because that would seem to be the exception.
I’ve spoken to my endo about this (not applying Chillin’s theory, but more importantly - cortisol management), and he agrees that hyrocortisone therapy could definately help in cases where the above applies. My tests thus far indicate i would benefit from it (low cortisol and low ACTH) but we need more tests to ensure this is the case and might consider an insulin resistance test, too.
So again, this is all about encouraging people to look in detail at this facet that often seems to be overlooked. If my endo and many others thing cortisol optimisation is extremely relevant in all of this, then who are you to question this?
Stop getting so butt-hurt about myself and others putting this stuff out there. In the end, none of this is an exact science if you haven’t bloody noticed. Noone’s trying to mislead and noone has been so get over it.
Yep.
I’ve been told that Professor Bouloux actually said that (this is hearsay admittedly, i’ll confirm when i speak to him) androgen resistence is impossible in our case as if it was the case there would be certain tell take signs (some levels would soar or something) that would tell this. He has 40+ PFS patients and is satisfied to rule this out.
Obviously this is vague and i need to confirm. But if true, im satified too, because androgen resistence theory raises more questions than it answers.
If there is an androgen resistance, then why do ppls hair fall out just as it did before they took fin… If you can explain to me Oscar then I’ll give you a c00kie.
In fairness i think this is a simple one. They argue localised resistence so its the DHT receptors in the penis that has been blown out so to speak.
viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4695&p=33897#p33897
See? Lies on top of all the crap you come out with! You have spoken with noone!
Primered everything you have said? Is this some kind of fucking joke? Provide one source as to how ‘cortisol production lines’ might help. (Chilln doesnt count btw 
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kazman.
Not sure what you mean here. Your not encouraging people to look in detail - you are making up total shite and then expecting people to believe it blindly. If your endo believes anything that you have said about chilln’s theory she should be fired - i therefore doubt you have had any conversation that supports your claims.
ONLY science can help. The fact you are posting unsourced crap is misleading - wether you are just too dumb to understand is irrelevant.
Cookie or no cookie i cant explain it!
What I am specifically saying here is that this idea of chilln is unsourced therefore there is no way it can be true unless by an unbelieveable fluke. Just because this idea is wrong doesnt make another theory more likely and vice-versa. So a critique in this thread isnt necessarily in support of another.
I also think we should all be infertile if true androgen resistance where at play. I have had a few ideas recently: viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4695&p=34284#p34284. According to this paper an upregulated sulftransferase enzyme can create a state of androgen resistance - but not effect fertility, and this enzyme is only found in the liver, digestive tract and androgen-dependent tissue (ie not the scalp!)
Preg 30mg TD has increased my metabolism substantially the past 3 weeks, erections are stronger and have stayed. Im no longer despressed and tired a symptom my adrenals are getting better.
Dr Crisler’s interview on Superhuman radio recommends 50mg TD.
I think bloodwork has its place but the success of any treatment should be based on how you feel.
Chillin’s theory is a direct application of Dr Crisler’s protocol for propecia sufferers.
JN and Dury has tried this with success. Saying any treatment protocol is bullshit doesn’t achieve anything in a practical sense.
We have to keep all treatments open and collate the results people have had while looking for pattens along the way.
I am going to slowly add T3 in the next few weeks (after I find a source).
Then perhaps a trial with Clomid.
Unbelievable how you take literally everyone out of context.
THat quote of mine as below…
Is clearly to do with Dr Crisler et all GENERALLY. This is abundantly clear if you read the posts before it. Its completely seperate from the cortisol treatment debate. I have been told this personally, yes. I’m also told Professor Bouloux has cured people (hearsay from another Bouloux patient). I’ll be speaking to him on the phone next week so i will confirm this. Again, you’re getting your panties in a knot.
Alot there is a WEALTH of literature, in fact its so basic im not even going to get into it, that proves that when people have low cortisol and ACTH they are often suffer frmo primary adrenal defeciency. Clearly this isn’t something you’ve read much about and opt to attack me personally for no good reason. This is connected to the endoctrine system. This is endochironology 101.
I don’t have the interest in arguing with you about every little point.
Considering this thread is a fucking QUESTION in itself i think that alone satifises that criteria.
The first fucking line of this thread is: “Are many people aware of this [Size=4]theory[/size]?”
Could you be more wrong?
And lastly:
Well WTF do you think this is? German? You’ve made you opinion utterly clear that you dont approve of cortisol treatment of any kind. I think you’re fucking stupid for disregarding it, personally.
I also think even if Chillin’s theory isn’t exactly right it possesses more practical utility than any of your ramblings. I’ll say this one more time - i simply want people to READ this and perhaps discuss their cortisol issues with their endo. Stop thinking this is some sort of conspiracy.
Actually this quote is from our last cortisol argument. Its still TOTAL rubbish. LIAR!. Hmmm why make up such delusional nonesense?
He doesnt do phone consultations, but anyways…
What is this crap now? Just post anything ANYTHING that supports your theory or shut up about it.
Whats the point of this ‘theory’ without sources? (chilln doesnt call his ideas ‘theories’ btw)
I have read it, now just post a source that supports anything about how cortisol might help us - or shut up. ANYTHING PLEASE!!!
Unbelievable. This is the last time im replying to this drivel so whatever…
Eh? I know it is. Fuck off if you arent interested. I’ve told you what i’ve been told. If you don’t believe it, i don’t care. You’re the last person i care about on this forum, after all.
He does actually, and he made this very clear in a recent post. Again, if you don’t like how he or I present our views, deal with it.
You want me to post up a random thing vouching that.
Speak to an endochronologist about the importance of cortisol, how about that? It’s tested because its possibly the most important of all…its the one hormone you can literally die in the event of severe deficiency.
I have read it, now just post a source that supports anything about how cortisol might help us - or shut up. ANYTHING PLEASE!!!
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You want me to post wiki links or something? As i said, if one’s bloods shows adrenal deficiency, the benefits of addressing this is undeniable. Speak with your endo instead of bothering me for stuff that isn’t debatable.
No one doubts cortisol is important you clown, but how does it help people in our situation???
This is wrong. Listen to the radioshow - he mentions nothing of the sort.
I dont disagree, if it works it works - Im simply saying this treatment protocol has no basis, those promoting it must realise that. By the way cgj1, I see you have been diagnose hypothyroid, this should be shared too.
Shutup Oscar you fucking rentboy. Go and hit the gym to bulk up your wafey arms instead of blaming it all on this drug.
Cortisol has a LOT to do with many of our ‘situations’ in my opinion. Pregnenolone greatly reduced my main symptoms within 5 days, and I felt pretty much normal in every aspect. There are also others that have experienced the same thing, for example the New Zealand user above in this thread.
Seriously, you keep pushing this ‘androgen resistance’ theory and your own theories on everyone, and seem to get bitter when anyone suggests something else. I suspect that your just a bit stupid, and lonely.
No offence ‘UK20’, but your old user name was JOE-91, which you had to change because i established you where lying about having any finasteride side-effects. Therefore anything you say is useless and pointless and everyone should be aware of that fact. ok?
It is sad to see that you guys argue. We are all in the same boat and sadly nobody really has an answer why we are permanently suffering from finasteride. Just stop quarreling. It doesn’t help anybody! Let’s keep trying to fight together.
Hahahaha, grow up.
Yeah argument is over - I won’t be wasting anymore time on this sad little man.
Back on topic please…
One reason I take particular offence to ‘colin297’ and his constant posting is this:
Colin claims to have a special hotline to people that have been cured of PFS, heres another amazing quote of his viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4695&p=33890#p33890
This is something only he knows about, no one has ever posted being cured in this way on this forum or anywhere else. Actually, this is a BIZARRE thing to state. Watch the youtube video of dr.crisler if you dont believe me youtube.com/watch?v=BEGCTMtlgoc&feature=player_embedded
Colin is now posting totally unsubstantiated treatment ideas, over and over again without even the tiniest shred of evidence to support his ideas. Again, very strange.
So just how much of his posts are false? I mean, he said on another forum 2 weeks ago he wanted to discuss ‘laser combs’ WTF?? musclechatroom.com/forum/showthread.php?3611-Official-Finasteride-Thread/page17
I dont think he is adding anything - I seriously dont think we are in the same boat as him.
Why wouldn’t i want to discuss laser combs? My hair is still falling out you absolute cunt. I can’t take finasteride because it already sexually deciminated me, i need other hair loss treatments. What is so hard to understand here?
I really don’t see where you’re going with this other stuff, you’re just continuing to embarrass youself. You’ve accused various people no this board of not really having PFS. WTF is your problem?
Lastly, HPTA restarts can be anything from the use of an AI to hcg, SERM’s and any combination this. This has worked for people…
Instead of having a personal vendetta with everything how about you go and speak to some decent endo’s yourself.
Well then shut the fuck up
Just a quick sidenote for this thread. I’ve been applying nominal amounts of preg cream the past week. No real difference the first 4 days - i used the 1% cream so was only applying like 15mg-ish. I tried about 3 pumps (45mg) yesterday and i had nocturnal erections (about 75% strength i think) all night last night. I’ve no doubt there’s something going on here.
Ultimately i dont know if using pregnenolone is the best way to increase your cortisol levels etc (perhaps hyrodcortinsone theraphy is) and i wouldn’t advocate anyone supplementing big amounts of it without endo oversight. Trying this model however, with small amounts is something that is very much low risk. If it works, perhaps speak to your endo about doing something more aggressive.
I find it pretty strange that anyone dealing with PFS would still care about their hairloss. Accepting and even embracing my hairloss has been the only good thing i have gotten out of this experience. I don’t want to waste another minute of my life on that petty and vain pursuit.