It specifically mentions finasteride and saw patello. Chillin, a prominant poster on Dr Crisler’s forum pushes this theory hard. Basically he related almost all these things back to cortisol issues.
He says you can halt MPB and recover from PFS by upregulating your cortisol production line (ie. prog, preg, costisol) and thyroid hormones in conjuction with this (t3 and t3) systhematically.
It’s certainly very interesting and he has pretty much got an answer for everything.
Feel free to browse the forum for more of Chillin’s stuff.
Halt MPB and recover from PFS? I think the miracle claims of preg are getting a bit silly now, although I have bought some transdermal stuff to at least try.
IMO, it is definitely not as simple as this. I can attest this with some credibility as I have been on HC for more than 4 months. I followed dosing instructions through “stopthethryoidmadness” & through some of the senior members at realthryoid help. I saw really very little if any sexual improvements.
Everything I read indicates improving cortisol to the right level should stabilize the body temperature, but that didn’t happen.
I think the best case scenario is it’s a thyroid & adrenal issue and that causes other hormones to get messed up as well. I personally have not been able to get my thyroid hormone. I am still pursuing both of these until I can manage to get my thyroid hormones correct and get my body temp back to where it should be.
I wouldn’t expect HC by itself to solve all of your problems. Even JN has been using thyroid meds and combination of TRT, HCG & HGH. He seems to be one of the few guys that is close to recovered.
Taking cortisol in whatever form is not the same as increasing cortisol production line (whats beeing discusses here)! Infact it would lover the cortisol production line by supressing it. The key here is progesterone and t / dht metabolism. Cortisol production line regulates this.
Chilln is an extremely bright guy, but hes a bit testy at times lol. I don’t understand his theory in its entirety. Its pretty complex if you’re to actually attempt it. If this is something that Dr. Crisler backs, I might be willing to go and see him and attempt it if I don’t figure this out with HC and thyroid.
I know we’ve already talked about this through msging today, but I feel I should mention why your body temperatures have not stabilized on HC. It’s because your aldoestrone is low or high and it is causing your sodium/potassium ratio to be screwed up. If your sodium/potassium ration is off then your body temps WILL NOT stabilize. If you have frequent urination and are always dehydrated, I am fairly certain this could be the cause. This could also go for all the electrolytes. If your electrolytes are out of whack it may be why your body temps have not stabilized and it would also prevent t3 from getting to the cells. I believe this could be a missing key to at least figuring out yours and my problem, as our situations are very similar.
I spent time reading this guys stuff. Wow this guy really understands the male hormone system like no one I have ever met.
I read several of his primers, but after reading this one it does seem as though we may be heading in the right direction.
I haven’ had a chance to research how pregnenolone fits into the whole thyroid picture yet. Can any of you explain that simply?
If we get on T3 & HC will pregnenolone increase or do we need to dose pregnenolone as well. It seems encouraging that pegnenolone could influence our neuorotransmitters. Maybe that could explain the disconnection between our brains and our unit.
preg boosts the entire cortisol production line, not just specifically cortisol or aldoestrone, but all of it. Thats all I really know about it. Theres not a whole lot of information on it outside of that forum, believe me Ive looked, but his understanding is vast. I guess he could be just saying nonsense but I doubt it.
Ive been messing around with it a little bit and at times I have felt better from it. Trans-dermal is the best kind to get. The pills dont always get absorbed right.
Ok, I thought we would need a script for this, but I guess we can get it at many vit stores. It looks like your right the transdermal is the way to go, as it gets absorbed right into the blood stream.
I’m going to order some of the cream online today. Where on your body are you putting it and how much are you using?
Yes, you can get it on amazon.com. I got 2 bottles for 30$ shipped. Life-flo is the best kind, and is what Chilln recommends. Ive been taking 30mg (2 pumps), but I don’t take it everyday, because Its hard in the morning because it does not dry quickly by any means. Also make sure to apply it after you shower. I usually apply it on forearms or my chest. If you follow chillns hormones 101 section 3 he tells you how to use it and find your best dosage.
Chillin certainly sounds like he knows his stuff. I guess the big question here is has anyone actually recovered from PFS using chillin’s method? This might be somthing we should ask chillin.
If not then he is purely speculating. Although if it makes sense and this method works for other male hormone problems then it’s well worth trying IMO.
Despite all the posters on here, very few actually make concentrated and systematic efforts to recover hence why most recoveries are “time”. Even the most motivated posters try protocols without the specific assistance and consistent hormonal profiling they is truly required for such complex matters.
The reason for this is lack of resources (expertise, money to implement, time to give it full attention etc).
I thought the same originally but essentially all that you need to do is supplement preg/prog. Best using preg - no risk of any bad sides etc - Dr C agrees here. Use preg and boost your cortisol production line.
IF you arent absorbing it into the cells correctly you need to give your thyroid hormones a boost basically (supplement t3 concurrently). You’ll know that you need to do this by the simple sides you get from excess preg (tingly face - spacey feeling).
It really isn’t that complicated if you break it down. It’s low risk and high reward.
Dr Hermontage (cant spell his name) used small doses of prog (note - preg will do the same thing) to control his high e2 from finasteride. There’s huge merit in all of this. The fact that this forum overlooks this stuff is why i dont use this forum as much anymore. Despite a widescale problem with DHT metabolism and/or poor T/E ratios, the knowledge and impetus on the likes of preg and prog and also aromatase inhbitors (i.e. using them in a systematic manner), is very limited. I think this a huge downfall.
I’m continuing my reseach and im hopeful this will prove helpful to many on this board.
Well i’m sorry you don’t agree, but that is the truth. When you increase the cortisol production line, you will increase your metabolic rate, thus boasting your testosterone metabolism as well. Preg is the first in line, supplementing prog will not get it done. You will spare to much preg. Chilln has outlined it in his hormones 101 if you would read it. Sometimes you need to boast Testosterone and GH as well. Which is exactly what JN did…
The key is getting adequate amount of preg/thyroid first…My doc won’t give me t3 only so I’m just going to see Crisler…
I absolutely agree that if you have hypongondal Testosterone levels this isn’t going to all of a sudden bring back those youthful testosterone levels. Other assistance may be necessary. I don’t reckon this necessarily makes this whole thing massively complicated though.
Yep, I really feel like once I do those things I will be back to normal, hopefully… The most i’ve applied is 60mg of preg, and still didn’t feel any bad reactions, I think i’m going to keep increasing it everyday till I do. Its suppose to stay in your system from 3-12 hours… pretty vague time line i know.
toadstool- it sounds like you’ve started experimenting with the preg. How are you feeling so far? I know you said there were no adverse side effects, but is there any improvement?
Taking preg alone wont do much, its when you take thyroid and possibly T and GH as well to get your body out of this bad loop we are in. In my case, and probably many others, our cortisol prodcution line is severely downregulated. I have not reached my top dose for preg yet. I’m going to see Crisler because my doc will not prescribed me T3 only and follow the complete correct protocol. I want everything to be perfect, and I cant do it when my doctor will not comply with everything so I just need to go see Crisler, because hes only 2 hours from me.
