Please, please keep us posted when you try it out- I’ll keep my fingers crossed for you!! It does sound promising to me. I know for a fact that I have excessive thirst and frequent urination (along with the ED, etc.) so I feel that my issue is somewhat tied into all of this… I live in NYC so Crisler is a bit tough, but I could swing it if I had to- certainly would be worth it.
being thirsty and frequent urination ties into low aldoestrone.
Tell me what you understand about low aldosterone pls?
My readings were very low!!
I could tell you, but Id rather link you… lol, Both these sites should be helpful.
It’s a strange one
From my reading im way under the range (im 200pmol i think) and the ranges are like 300-900 or somethign.
That said, ive none of the symptoms. No salt cravings, no low blood pressure (its perfect), no really thirst issues or anything out of the ordinary. Who knows.
We’ll see how my adrenal check i got done goes!
bc your whole cortisol production line is down regulated. You probably just feel shitty in general.
Chillin says that he fins post-finasteride users to be in rather “stable” downregulated states. Perhaps this does explain me.
We’ll see when the results are in.
In terms of feeling shitty though, not really. Basically my “only” issues are sexual - sexual function is at about 75% (can just about get by) but 50% libido.
yea idk why i said that. I’ve always felt ok, except sexually…
hopefully they paint a nice picture for you.
fwiw, I also feel pretty fine- just sexual sides for me as well. I can have sex too- just really crappy libido and not good erection strength (and no spontaneous, nocturnal, etc.)
My mood is real bad as well.
Chilln says that, usually, aging males only need a boost in their cortisol production line to boost their mtabolism and to curb E2 and SHBG. I’ve never seen it successful in any PFS male. But, what I’ve seen successful, is addressing sex hormones together with thryoid and cortisol hormones:
JN: he has been messing with his sex hormones first, and addressed thyroid and adrenal issues later. In practice, he applied Chilln’s protocol from the bottom to top. A little confusing, I think, but eventually it’s giving good results.
Dury: he addressed thyroid issues first. He apparently didn’t have adrenal problems, otherwise he would have got worse by messing with his thyroid first. Finally, he did a quick restart on clomid, which, according to Chilln’s theory, worked only because his metabolism was being kept high.
ithappens: he improved his growth hormone with GHB first, and took hydrocortisone later. According to Chilln, it should be done the other way around. But it worked
robocopp from steirodology.com: his T, which was initially 250, increased to 400 by taking 15-200 mcg T4. Then, it increased to 700 by taking Dexamethasone.
(his post is here: steroidology.com/forum/testosterone-replacement-therapy/585761-finasteride-induced-serious-problems.html)
correiovip: improved a lot/recovered by taking prednisone “5 days on, 25 days off” for a year
cgj1: recovery* achieved after 5 years of pfs with clomid 12.5 mg/day and T3 25 mg/day (T3 replaced with armour after 2 months).
Please, feel free to add other successful recoveries that used (consciously or unconsciously) Chilln’s method or other cortisol/thyroid modulating hormones.
According to Chilln, we are insensitive to T because of a downregulated metabolism (i.e. low thyroid or low cortisol).
A consequence of his theory also explains other interesting facts about us:
- we are not insensitive to T if our metabolism is high. In laymen’s terms: if you have good energy, focus, stamina, then you are not insensitive to T. Therefore, if you have low libido despite the good energy is because your sex hormones suck.
- we become insensitive to T if our metabolism is low. This must be what happens to PFS people that start clomid or TRT. They feel good for a few days, but then their metabolism drops, making them insensitive to androgens, and the treatment stops working. If they were keeping thyroid and cortisol high, on the other hand, the treatment would work.
To verify if this theory is true or not I would like to challenge everybody on this board to find a PFS sufferer in whom:
- cortisol is high (measured by saliva 4x)
- FT3 and FT4 are near the top of the range
- RT3 is not high
- Free T is in range
- E2 is low
- Prolactin is low
According to Chilln’s theory, a person with the above characteristics has to feel good. If you find a counter-example, forget about this theory.
*he has been recovered since July 2011
For me the only Thyroid test that is close to out of range would be T4 - always been lowish for me (but still in range).
I am very interested in this theory and would like to try the cream on its own without messing with the thyroid but also don’t want to waste my time. Has anyone done that with success??
toadstool and Colin297,
I did not understand some things you were writing (my questions may seem stupid, sorry). However, can you please explain what you mean by “preg” (Pregnenolone?) and “prog”. I was considering taking Pregnenolone. Do I have to take it in combination with what you suggested in your posts (T3 etc.). I am a bit confused.
Thanks for any help.
All the best to you. Hope you are successful.
Having had a small recovery using pregnenolone, I am absolutely certain that hormones are the key to this (cortisol/ thyroid) and this androgen insensitivity stuff is bullshit.
I just don’t want to take pregnenolone forever, I was hoping that being only 20 once my system kicked in it would be ok.
You cannot deny the existence of androgen insensitivity. For example, last year I brought my free T to twice the value it had before propecia and I was still very bad, although E2 and prolactin were in check. My DHT was also out of range high. This can only be explained with androgen insensitivty.
But, according to Chilln’s theory, you have the androgen insensitivity only if your cortisol and thyroid hormones are too low. (In my case, cortisol was low back then)
I think you’ve misinterpreted what Chillin is saying. I’m pretty sure he doesn’t mention androgen insensitivity.
He says when your cortisol is low so is DHT metabolism. This is probably true in your case. So even if your levels are in check i guess your DHT etc isn’t being optimally metabolised.
I think, atleast in most our cases, androgen resistence isn’t the case.
It’s complicated but im sure we can all get measurable improvements with the right approaches!
I believe you’d have to take it along with thyroid hormones to increase your metabolic rate…I’m glad that youv’e seen some improvements with preg. How much are you taking daily and is it pill form or transdermal form?
I myself feel nothing on preg, because I’m probably not taking enough. Ive heard you have to take a stupid amount of it to feel anything if your cortisol production line is down regulated like mine is.
Stop going on about this stuff now Colin. It is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT what ‘chilln’ thinks. No science behind it, no scientific papers to support it, no evidence from anyones blood tests or from experiences with treatments from patients. Its simply not based on anything but one individuals whim.
You yourself have already revealed yourself to be a liar and a fool by claiming to have spoken to ‘many’ men that have recovered from this PFS. You are also very easily led. I have already tried and failed to get some basic scientific principles into your skull - but i wont give up!
UTTER NONESENSE. This is BULLSHIT.
I must have missed the lab research project he ran into the relation between cortisol and androgens. Logic dictates his idea is shite without ANY proof to support it. UNLESS you happen to be stupid.
thanks joe-91
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